Punkbuster bashing :)

(bogs) #41

It does fool you into thinking their is less cheating. So it’s doing it’s job. But it’s still crappy software that needs to be improved. That’s the whole point of this thread. Everyone calling me a troll and all that other bullshit you all have huge chips on your shoulders and your gonna feel like chumps next time punkbuster kicks you for no reason.

(SCDS_reyalP) #42

[quote=“bogs”]

Well, I just tried it and it doesnt. Your right it doesnt change gl_render… it does use software opengl though. not the opengl on your video card.[/quote]

ROFL. You wanna give a source for that ‘information’ or is ‘does too!’ the extent of your argument ? Most of us got over that around age 5 or so.

Maybe you are talking about r_fullscreen ? THAT requires a vid_restart. It still doesn’t put you in software mode though. Just changes from window to fullscreen. Every video card since the voodoo2 (and many before) has been capable of hardware acceleration in a window. Oh, and I have never heard of any pb config that restricted r_fullscreen. Many people run windowed mode so they can chat on IRC etc.

I did just go and double check in RTCW. loaded mp_assault, hit /r_uifullscreen 1 fog disapears instantly, without a vid_restart. hit r_uifullscreen 0 and it comes back. Maybe that’s because I have l33t h4x and no one else does…

(Awol) #43

Well just to see what was up I loaded Assault up as well and typed in /r_uifullscreen 1 and the fog went away for me. I guess bogs has trouble typing in commands in the console or something. Wouldn’t surprize me showing his oh so great intelligence in this thread. :smiley:

(HellToupee) #44

It does fool you into thinking their is less cheating. So it’s doing it’s job. But it’s still crappy software that needs to be improved. That’s the whole point of this thread. Everyone calling me a troll and all that other bullshit you all have huge chips on your shoulders and your gonna feel like chumps next time punkbuster kicks you for no reason.[/quote]

needs to be improved hell its been getting better since day 1, its the no.1 reason y there are so few cheats in Wolf, get a wolf aim bot and bam pb will stop you, pb is the best anti cheat software ive ever seen.

(petameta) #45

To say it again: The problem isn’t that I can’t look up what those cvars mean, I know how to use google.
It’s just I don’t want to mess around with cvar-settings before I can play.

I play Wolf since mp_beachtest 1. It was fun, just join a server and have some fun. Now, I join a server and get trouble with punkbuster. For NO reason.

I actually got kicked for a FOV of 120, which is common for games like wolf/quake. The allowed setting was 90.
I also got kicked for playing with invert mouse, m_pitch was fixed at 0.022.

I know it’s the admin’s choice to force those setting. Anyway, some admins are stupid and have no clue what they are doing. Without PB, they couldn’t force such stupid settings.
All I’m saying is that PB gives a lot of trouble, no matter if the admins set those cvars. Before PB, it was much more fun. It ruins the join-and-frag experience.

I think you can’t ban cheating with PB. Maybe it’s just me, but I never met many cheaters in Wolf, even before PB.
I think a good community will help more against cheating. There IS a kick-vote. Would be nice if there’s a ban-vote :).

Of course I didn’t read the PB EULA ;). As most of us I guess I fastly hit that accept-button, because I wanted to play, not reading some freakin EULA.

I don’t like it though, that they can ban players. It could lead to the same situation as it’s now in Diablo 2: Blizzard tags people, that means they are marked as cheaters. This happens automatically, specific network packets are considered cheats for example.
There are at least two bugs in the game which tag you as cheater, although you did not cheat.

So what if your (RtcW) CD-KEY is banned ? Who are you going to ask ? You are at the mercy of Evenbalance to unban your key, although they might banned you for no reason.
Maybe it doesn’t matter for ET, as you just delete your etkey-file, but a RtcW-key costs some serious money.

(petameta) #46

To say it again: The problem isn’t that I can’t look up what those cvars mean, I know how to use google.
It’s just I don’t want to mess around with cvar-settings before I can play.

I play Wolf since mp_beachtest 1. It was fun, just join a server and have some fun. Now, I join a server and get trouble with punkbuster. For NO reason.

I actually got kicked for a FOV of 120, which is common for games like wolf/quake. The allowed setting was 90.
I also got kicked for playing with invert mouse, m_pitch was fixed at 0.022.

I know it’s the admin’s choice to force those setting. Anyway, some admins are stupid and have no clue what they are doing. Without PB, they couldn’t force such stupid settings.
All I’m saying is that PB gives a lot of trouble, no matter if the admins set those cvars. Before PB, it was much more fun. It ruins the join-and-frag experience.

I think you can’t ban cheating with PB. Maybe it’s just me, but I never met many cheaters in Wolf, even before PB.
I think a good community will help more against cheating. There IS a kick-vote. Would be nice if there’s a ban-vote :).

Of course I didn’t read the PB EULA ;). As most of us I guess I fastly hit that accept-button, because I wanted to play, not reading some freakin EULA.

I don’t like it though, that they can ban players. It could lead to the same situation as it’s now in Diablo 2: Blizzard tags people, that means they are marked as cheaters. This happens automatically, specific network packets are considered cheats for example.
There are at least two bugs in the game which tag you as cheater, although you did not cheat.

So what if your (RtcW) CD-KEY is banned ? Who are you going to ask ? You are at the mercy of Evenbalance to unban your key, although they might banned you for no reason.
Maybe it doesn’t matter for ET, as you just delete your etkey-file, but a RtcW-key costs some serious money.

(DG) #47

lols

btw the solution for you is simple. disable PB.

(bogs) #48

I was wrong, it doesn’t need a vid_restart. On my ATI, In ET, r_uifullscreen is doing nothing for me, not even on radar. In RTCW, 1 makes the screen bright. 0 makes the screen darker. And I honestly don’t see fog on assault no matter what setting uifullscreen is set too… On my 3dfx, you can’t use r_uifullscreen 0 without disabling gl_extensions (switching to software gl) and it doesn’t affect fog in ET or RTCW.

hit /r_uifullscreen 1 fog disapears instantly, without a vid_restart. hit r_uifullscreen 0 and it comes back.

Even though this has nothing to do with getting PB fixed for newbs, which is what this thread was about, which finally makes YOU all trolls, what kind of video card does the fog hack work on? geforce?

(bogs) #49

Might stop you… But anyone else would get the aim bot, and the pb hack and bam they are playing with a “cheat”. They wouldnt be a fiece opponent though… I’ll own someone using an aimbot in rtcw any day. Q3 w/ the railgun… that’s a different story.

(Dingo19) #50

It is called “Punk Buster” for a reason. If it’s stopping blogs and the like from playing - intentionally or not - then it’s working perfectly.

:drink: To Evenbalance

(bogs) #51

A better solution would be for punkbuster not to crash or kick people for no reason. And that is NOT impossible. It has more bugs than the actual game it claims to help. All I’m asking for is a little QA.

(bogs) #52

It doesn’t stop me from playing, in fact I’m out there every day playing ET on punkbuster servers and it’s awsome. And I’d love to play with you guys 'cause it would be fun to shoot you all :slight_smile: But it’s really, really sad to see how many people it can kick in a matter of hours. They don’t come back, they find another server, or another game, or watch tv…

http://www.splashdamage.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=14454#14454

(Awol) #53

You know frankly someone leaving the game after they get kicked once due to PB is someone I don’t think I want to play with anyways. That type of person most likely has no clue and would just run around shooting anything that moves.

Well bogs since you play on PB servers then what was your point about PunkBuster now you sounds like a hypocrite.

(sux) #54

awol: anybody who estimates somones level of intelligence based on whether or not they get kicked by punkbuster most likely himself has no clue. you guys are just pissed at bogs and attacking him, his opinion and anyone that might share it.

this thread is about why punkbuster does or doesnt sux, yet it turned it to bog bashing and penis waiving.

imo, pb sux because in the default server config they force r_allowextensions to be 1. to the best of my knowledge, that turns on and off gl extensions; at least thats what it does in the UI (im sure reyalP will point out my ignorance if im wrong). i got an older but still kickass card (voodoo rules), and using gl extensions makes my fonts fuzzy. doesnt allow me to see thru walls, or aim straight at head level. just makes the game more or less unplayable.

so sure…i could sit around for hours trying to fix it, or i could go play on a server without pb. the point is, pb is sposed to stop people from being punks, not force people to upgrade their video cards or spend hours twiddling cvars trying to get your game to work.

and as to whether pb actually stops punks, i think again i have to agree w bogs. its like the shareware industry, people will write cracks for your software if there is enough demand for it. for the most part, pb only provides the image of security. if and when someone wants to write a wall hack for et, they will. and pb can stop them temporarily, then theyll just find another way around it. the reason we dont see it happening in ET i think is because a) ET actually requires skills beyond racking up kills, and thats no fun for self-centered losers who cheat to win, b) because et (according to gamespy) is not nearly as popular and saturated as cs.

and btw, r_uifullscreen doesnt do jack to the fog on my card (doesnt fix my problem either)

(bogs) #55

Hey sux, I had the same fuzzy font problem. Try this :

http://splashdamage.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=12790&sid=f3cd430b2e8503d09712433d863d9918#12790

And you know what, I think I had r_uifullscreen and r_allowextensions confused. Sorry to everyone about that. But yeah, r_uifullscreen doesn’t do anything on my ATI or Voodoo. So i was wrong about r_uifullscreen having anything to do with opengl. It’s r_allowextensions that does. My mistake. :slight_smile:

(Freedom[]Tickler) #56

Sux makes some valid points about pb, and despite the pissing contest there is some good info in this thread.

PB at best is there to keep casual cheaters out by making it a huge pain in the ass to cheat. You cant expect too much, cheats do scale w/ the popularity of a game. PB is worth having, and I say this as one of the afflicted. PB is breakin mah fuckin balls, started w/ a patch 3 days ago and continues. I expect theyll fix it soon enuff, evenbalance is trying hard to make their service a successful business. I know it isnt easy coding, and I wont pretend I know a better way to do it.

Sux, its fine to stick w/ your voodoo card, but you cant expect it to remain supported driver wise or in newer games. ET would inspire me to upgrade, oh wait, it already did : ) But I also hear you on the default pb server cfg / cvar issue, they shld be more discriminating about allowable tweaks. Max fov could be capped, allow alittle more leniency on brightness gama issues for people w/ crap monitors etc.

I also agree that a bad player w/ a bot is still very beatable, I dont often get so pwned that I think someone is cheating. Maybe I see some questionable shots etc, but I doubt Ive ever seen a shuffle by XP vote cuz a bot on one team dominated the game.

tell me Im wrong

(SCDS_reyalP) #57

Um, YOU were the one using bullshit information to justify your idea that PB is all a sham to make us shut up, but given how clueless you proven to be, I don’t see why anyone would listen to you on ANY subject. Calling you on your bullshit is not trolling, though it might be feeding a troll.

As far as PB goes. It has bugs. shrug software has bugs. If you don’t like bugs, don’t use software, because that’s your only choice. You are correct. Some people will get kicked by PB and never come back. Some people will also get driver issues or software conflicts, have ET crash, and never come back. Oh well, they probably weren’t that serious about playing anyway.

In my year+ of using pb enabled software, I’ve only had a few problems, and all of those could be solved by

  • adjusting a cvar
  • running pbweb.exe
  • waiting a day or so until the next PB update.
    In that time, I have not encountered anyone who I really suspected of cheating. In other games, I’ve seen obvious cheaters in a much shorter time. Disregarding bogs bullshit claims of how pb is just a scam to make us shut up, obvious hacks are a LOT more common in many other games.

petameta, It sounds like you encountered a server with super strict cvar settings. Most servers either use the old evenbalance recommended config or the CAL/TWL config. I don’t know exactly what the euros use, but from what I’ve seen, their competition configs are even more lax than the US ones. If you don’t like a particular server, move on.

For my part, I think cvar checks are a good thing. I don’t want to have to crank up my r_rmse so I can see through trees, just because everyone else is doing it, or use a centerview script just because everyone else is. Pretty much all the CAL/TWL settings are there to stop specific exploits. The evenbalance config is a little bit stricter on visual quality.

PB can only ban you from pb enabled servers. There are quite a few non-pb servers out there. Their policy is only to ban people for hacks against PB itself. Certainly they could make mistakes, but that doesn’t seem to have been a problem so far. In the past there have been bogus violations, and they have been quick to notify the community of that fact.

(DG) #58

still waiting on this cheat evidence. oh look, there isnt any. its actually funny reading the constant hacks this, hacks that, hey look im not nieve i know all about teh hax meights… yet never the slightest bit of anything to back it up.

don tlike punkbuster? dont enable it. filter pb servers out. simple. going on and on about it spouting utter crap just shows you have another axe to grind.

oh and to clear up more bs, pb cvar by default has NO cvar restrictions, any used have been specifically added by server admins.

(SCDS_reyalP) #59

FWIW, ET does come with a sample pb cvar config. You would still have to exec it.

Oh, and there is an odd thing in that sample config:
pb_sv_cvar cl_maxpackets in -15 100

what the heck would - maxpackets do ? Is that just a typo ?

(HellToupee) #60

max packets can be set to levels where it makes u warp and hard to shoot, on non pb servers u can set it to anything u like along with every other setting in RTCW, hence why the majorty of RTCW players like ET only the mentally impared cant get it going and the stupid cannot see the benefits.