bogs
noitice i said kiddy crackers… little dicks that download hacks and install them…
there’s always going to be cheaters… people who write their own stuff that isn’t deteded by the anti cheat software… but waht punkbuster does is prevent the flood of cheaters taht would be out there…
Heh, the kids are the ones writing them old man.
there’s always going to be cheaters… people who write their own stuff that isn’t deteded by the anti cheat software…
but waht punkbuster does is prevent the flood of cheaters taht would be out there…
In what way?? The pb hacks are out there, so how in the hell is it stopping a flood of cheaters? I keep saying it’s stopping people from BITCHING about cheaters and people ignore it and come back with “No, because of punkbuster there is no cheaters”. It’s like i’m talking to bots. screw this.
On top of that, it’s stopping new players from getting into the game. Read the 1st post. On another thread about PB today, nd80 admin said he saw 300 players in a few minutes get kicked. Why, 'cause of a PB bug.
Fix PB’s QA, restaff evenbalance, or find another way to convince people they got owned fair and square.
okay i gave you the benefit of the doubt… but now you’ve proven yourself to be a complete idiot :rolleyes:
It’s like i’m talking to bots. screw this.-bogs
GOOD RIDDANCE
BTW, I file complaints EVERY time, especially if it was an accident because it’s FUNNY to see people get mad over something so silly. bogs
Yes young people are creating these cracks but its pretty much known when kiddie is used to describe people on the net it mean untalented people who wouldn’t know how to use a linux prompt to save their life but can run an install program giving them the ability to see through walls in there favorate game. Doesn’t matter if they are 5 or 55. Hence the term script kiddie to refer to crackers who can only crack websites when they run a program that some real cracker wrote.
Remember any stupid moron can double click an install file. Why do you think viruses like “I Love You” hit so many people. Majority of the people on the net just have no clue.
In what way?? The pb hacks are out there, so how in the hell is it stopping a flood of cheaters? I keep saying it’s stopping people from BITCHING about cheaters and people ignore it and come back with “No, because of punkbuster there is no cheaters”. It’s like i’m talking to bots. screw this.
What you don’t think Even Balance doesn’t know about these PB hacks and doesn’t do anything about it come on the Even Balance team isn’t stupid. I’m sure they also work to prevent these as well.
On top of that, it’s stopping new players from getting into the game. Read the 1st post. On another thread about PB today, nd80 admin said he saw 300 players in a few minutes get kicked. Why, 'cause of a PB bug.
Yes its sad but yet there are many games that come out and prevent people from playing them. Thats the bane of developing software for the PC so many different systems and config no one can test them all out. But I will have to say this for Even Balance they put out updates very quickly when something like this has happened. Name game companies who have a 1 day turn around to patches. I don’t know any and I doubt you do.
Fix PB’s QA, restaff evenbalance, or find another way to convince people they got owned fair and square.
If you think you are soo knowledgable on this subject and you know how to prevent the scum of the net from cheating in game. Then please do us all a favor and create a better package then Even Balance does. Until then shut up!
To say it again: I never cheated online. That’s because I rule anyway, I don’t have to cheat g. I don’t play under this nick, and I don’t tell you, so you won’t kick me.
I never played CS, 'cause I consider it lame. I thought Punkbuster comes from CS, and they later ported it to quake/wolf.
Nice to know what r_uifullscreen does, it maybe does sense to force it.
AFAIK Evenbalance can ban players in RtcW. When banned, you can’t join PB-enabled servers. They ban your CD-Key so you have to buy a new RtcW.
I did host a RtcW server and kicked people which I didn’t like, so don’t tell me about the right to play on a server. I just don’t think Evenbalance has the right to ban players. They could ban anyone, without a proof.
Man, what a pissing contest this turned into.
Ive never had trouble w/ PB either, until 2 nights ago. I go back to the q3comp days, now there was an attempt at anti-cheat that pwnt more than a few fraggers, was very buggy. But even then, I had no problems w/ it while more than a few clanmates did.
PB hosed me good the other day, but Ifurita posted a link to the solution, was com_maxfps, that fixed it. Lately when I join a game, and sometimes after a round change, I hang at attempting to contact PB auth server, just waiting and waitng. It also takes a very long time to join a server, very frustrating.
I really appreciate what PB tries to do, its not easy code to make, esp trying to release it quickly. Bugs happen, and they keep thier website updated w/ news etc. Cudos to them. BUT, I did flip out and break shit b/c I was effectively w/out ET for 2 nights, withdrawls were far worse than I would have suspected. Man I love this game, and yes cheaters do ruin the fun.
Frustration and anger are understandable b/c ET is so fun, and thats whats relevant, FUN, so chill out on the butt biting.
Ahh, more ignorant blather from bogs.
It gives you a chance to fix your cvars. If you are too slow to type a couple of commands in the console, maybe you should play turn based games.
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- playing with cg_fov 120 (I m8 understand that, although it’s lame. Who wants to play with a fov of 90 ???),
I know… I think that’s a bad cvar to enforce. People should get to play with a fov they are comfortable with.
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Ahh, bogs shows his ignorance again. A wide enough FOV allows you to see through certain things, which is why the leagues started restricting it. Maybe we should allow r_showtris too, because seeing through walls should be personal preference, right ?
R_uifullscreen enables/disables hardware openGL. It could also mean that fog is not rendered on some cards. On some cards this does not affect fog. R_uifullscreen also means someone could be using a wallhack as there have been software opengl drivers that have wall/transparency hack “features”. So to be safe this is enforced. To be honest, people running wallhacks also run punkbuster hacks so it really doesn’t help much if you ask me.
Wow, you really ARE ignorant. r_uifullscreen has nothing to do with hardware openGL. I don’t know where you got that bit of ‘information’ but it isn’t true. In fact, it is obviously untrue, because you can change r_uifullscreen without a vid_restart.
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As far as the orignal post goes. Yes, pb has some problems from time to time. Usually either using pbweb or waiting for the next update fixes them. You also have the option of playing on non-pb servers. There are quite a few of them out there. All software has bugs. You can cry about it, but that doesn’t help.
What cvars are restricted is up the the server admin, so if you have a problem with those, it is not really pb which should be blamed.
I’ve had a few problems with PB, but none that kept me form playing for more than a few hours.
I have no problems with punk buster, PB is the sole reason why RTCW isnt full of aim botters and wall hackers, ppl thinking they had working wall hacks met updated pb and had their name publicly pasted everywhere.
Most people who play ET have the intellegence to fix any cvars and update PB, you cannot. All servers i play on are PB y is it that people are playing on them with 0 problems. You play on those non pb servers just rember all the wall hacks aim bots etc made for rtcw will work on those servers.
I can set those cvars - It’s just I don’t want to. I just wanna play, not constantly fixing cvars so I can play.
Also, I don’t like to change cvars if I don’t know what they do. I know google could help, but as said above - I want to play, not messing around with PB.
I think there would be two good solutions for this:
Hacks and cheats will continue to exist, no matter if PB is there or not.
hacks and cheats can exist all they like but with PB they are far far less than what could be, i have yet to see anyone anywhere accuse some one of aimbotting. CVAR problems? much config is very much default changing on some things, if you tweak it up big time then ofcourse u are going to have problems, PBs role is also to help keep the field even.
i dunno who can really prove how much cheating or attempted cheating goes on in wolf.
I’ve played RtCW, and didn’t install PB (cuz i know it was screwing up with my computer somehow, especially when certain things don’t load all of a sudden and my favourities suddenly get deleted and I can’t add favourites properly anymore).
I could play just as fine in non-PB servers as I could play in PB servers. I don’t think i’ve ever could truly say someone was cheating. sure, maybe some ppl did play with his CVAR tweaking but I still kicked ass (and they did the same to me at times)
and I really hate PB servers that force cg_fov 90 to 100. cg_fov doesn’t help you see through things or give you a significant advantage. it sometimes gives you a disadvantage cuz it is harder to see things from a distance at higher cg_fov’s. I feel so damn fat and slow when I play on low cg_fov’s. I usually go on cg_fov 125, which is hardly an advantage.
Wow thanks for the jargon lesson.
What you don’t think Even Balance doesn’t know about these PB hacks and doesn’t do anything about it come on the Even Balance team isn’t stupid. I’m sure they also work to prevent these as well.
And then another hack is released in less than 24 hours. The cycle continues. Wake up.
Name game companies who have a 1 day turn around to patches.
Their constant rushing is what gives them their lackluster reputation. That and the fact that PB accomplishes nothing - at least nothing that couldn’t be done in the game with point releases.
If you think you are soo knowledgable on this subject and you know how to prevent the scum of the net from cheating in game. Then please do us all a favor and create a better package then Even Balance does. Until then shut up!
I don’t have to write a better package. Pure server and cvar checks could be done in game, the code could be written once and never touched again so it wouldn’t ever break. Q3/OSP was like this… Then people started bitching about cheating so now we’re stuck with punkbuster. Thank you.
Totally not true.
Most certainly does.
You can also change your com_maxfps without a vid_restart. It won’t take effect until you do a vid_restart.
No, it’s so you won’t bitch about the prolific cheating that would suddenly be happening if iD ever decides to drop punkbuster. People can easily cheat on a punkbuster server!!!
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OK bogs. You are really showing how ignorant you are here. First of all, in RTCW, r_uifullscreen takes effect immediatly. The fog goes away, or reappears, without a vid_restart. That is a FACT. If you were actually switching opengl drivers, the current opengl context and window would have to be destroyed, and a new one created, all textures would have to be reloaded… i.e. a vid_restart. That is also a fact. Finally, regardless of your r_uifullscreen setting, your gl_renderer string does not change. You can go look at the opengl documentation to see what gl_renderer means.
Oh, if you were actually switching to software rendering, your frame rate would drop like a rock. Even a top of the line machine would get shit frame rates rendering RTCW or ET in software mode. In reality, r_uifullscreen 1 can improve your frame rate, by turning the fog off.
I’ve done a fair bit of opengl programming, as well as poking around in the RTCW game code. I know what I’m talking about here. You, on the other hand, obviously don’t have a clue.
com_maxfps was artifically changed in RTCW to require a vid_restart, because of recoil exploits. It never required a vid_restart in Q3, and doesn’t require one in ET. Changing your capped frame rate does not require a vid_restart, because it isn’t something that requires a renderer reset, and so, completely irrelavent to this discussion.
In other words, you have just demonstrated beyond all question that you are full of shit, and have no clue what you are talking about. Thank you.
Oh, in case anyone needs MORE evidence that bogs don’t have a fucking clue, go to the CAL site, and look back through the news to the point where they restricted FOV.
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s/and opengl driver/a renderer/
Oh I think we all know Bogs is full of it. Just the line about Pure servers and cvar checks proves it. We have those now and people can still cheat so I guess pure servers and cvar checks isn’t enough to stop cheating in games. PB on the other hand does a good job of keeping tons of assholes from ruining the fun of people who play by the rules cause they don’t need to cheat to win or have a good time.
BTW I wonder why bogs hates PB probably banned from a server for using a cheat. Wouldn’t be the first time I seen the cheaters complain about being caught.
OK much misinformation here. Despite the blatant trolling some real information for everybody else:
PB does NOT set cvars, SERVER ADMINS DO. They pay and work the server, they can set it how they like no? If you dont like it, go elsewhere. If you dont like that, you dont have a choice anyway, so accept it as “the way it is, and the way it is going to be”. PB merely enforces what they specify.
If you had any understanding of what the cvars can do, you wouldnt be complaining about it. It’s a bit like whining about double-yellow lines when youre not a car driver or even a pedestrian. If you dont even know what they do, what do they matter? Why do you think the cvar restrictions are there at all???
I’ve never seen a server setup with pb_sv_cvar preventing “playing with invert mouse”. Silly admin decision imo if so, but i suspect its you reading the console output wrong. Common mouse restrictions are:
m_pitch out -0.015 0.015
m_yaw in 0.022
cl_freelook in 1
These prevent the mouse being set to a very low sensitivity on the y-axis, to prevent people locking the mouse at head height - reducing the skill needed for headshot. In similar way, the +centerview command is disabled from RTCW OSP. Exploit. Makes no difference wether youre using invert or normal mouse.
It it EXTREMELY unlikely that you will have to be “constantly fixing cvars” unless you are constantly making exploit tweaks. As in RTCW, in time the vast majority of servers will run consistent pb cvar restrictions, none of which will give you problems unless youre tweaking cfg from the commands anyway - its extremely unusual to be more restrictive than the ingame options allow. You can find some explanation of cvar restrictions here, although note that is RTCW and not ET, several settings there have a forced limited range in ET. Also the page hasnt been updated with a few new settings found since.
If you read the PB EULA, youd have noticed that it was YOU who gave them the right to ban you.
Try playing games with no cheating countermeasures, you will appreciate the benefits of punkbuster. Oh and i know of no PB rtcw or ET hacks, which doesnt mean they dont exist but does mean theyre not readily available or widespread. People like to make flippant comments like “PB hacks”, making them sound widespread, but never seem able to actually come up with one or even display a screenshot. The rare occasions I’ve seen evidence of PB being beaten, the source has always commented on it being unusual, and later said it is being detected.
PB is far, far from perfect. The issues such as empty cdkey, the huge lag so many players got from v1.037… Such things can really turn away notice casual players, and cause annoyance to anyone. It’s been the same with RTCW, occasional bad blips - but, they usually last a day at most until the problem is fixed one way or the other. A small price to pay for the lack of cheats, the proper control over your own server, proper measures to deal with lamers… PB has been crucial in keeping RTCW alive this long.
FOV 120?
Mercy sakes paw, looks like that guy thinks he’s Admiral Akabar with eyes on the side of his tootin’ head!
Shucks I ain’t no frog!!
May the flame be with you… 
u would be surpised what can work on non pb servers, fov can be used to get sniper like zoom or see behind you, mptich can be locked at head height, fog can be removed trees leaves can be removed, PB is the best thing to happen to wolfenstein.
Well, I just tried it and it doesnt. Your right it doesnt change gl_render… it does use software opengl though. not the opengl on your video card.
