Ironman… you can’t possibly be one of us older guys… thats why i like RTCW, ET …more mature players… well rtcw anyway. Which is prob why not many players are scrambling for cheats.
You wouldn’t be playin the game under the name Cammando would you. Hes another that started calling me a fucking hack and cheater. The dumbass did it on my server…oops. I gave him a BAN-dage and sent him on his way. The sad part was he was 35 and said he was from warcraft and they had lots of cheaters before he was escorted off. So i guess in some cases the older player being mature doesn’t always hold true. I guess with a free game you’ll have to put up with these nimrods for awhile until they decide “everyones got to be cheating because I couldn’t possibly just suck this bad” and they move on.
I dont want to get into an age argument, I always find I am the youngest of my skill whith peeps who i play with. And judging by my posts, Im far past kill/death ratios, with weapon balances, map design, and strategies.
So please, It is the truth that most good gamers are older, but remember those who aren’t also.
Apologies BD, and any other young 'uns out there. I was Clanned with a guy who was 13 at the time, and he was a great lad and team-player, so I know not all young people are like that. Just I think ageism works both ways and I, for one, refuse to feel guilty about being 39 and still playing computer games.
k first your an assault newb. that airstrike is standard.
second, i’ve been saying (and taking flack for it) that
a) cheating can’t be stopped because punkbuster is easy to emmulate
b) i can own any cheater any day in rtcw. play with an aimbot you’ll see that its like your first day with a fps. you do way more damage anticipating what the other player will do.
c) people BITCHING about cheating is viral. and can KILL a community. so they invented punkbuster to stop people like YOU from destroying the game.
d) punkbuster needs better QA. we need it, but it shouldn’t crash our shit.
Yes indeed you are. Using exploits is cheating. So says id Software, the maker of these games’ engine. That is why id Software corrected the flame thrower exploit in RTCW where a flame thrower could be fired at a wall and the flame would bend around a corner. id Also made changes in the 1.4 and 1.41 updates to make it harder to use other exploits.
Isn’t exploiting a flaw using an “un-natural” advantage? Can Axis use a similar Air Strike in the Assult map just as players are about to start scrapping? No, because none exist for them in that map. Therefore, using the exploit provides an “un-natural” advantage. ANY such advantage that is not intented to be a part of the game’s design is cheating. Even if such an exploit existed for both teams, using either is cheating. I am surprised that you even asked this question. The answer is obvious.
We are talking about cheats are we not? We are not talking about skills.
There are basically two types of cheating in RTCW and Wolf ET: administrator cheaters and player cheaters. Administrator cheaters are game server admins who perpetuate cheating on their servers by either allowing cheaters to play without kicking/banning them, by configuring the server to promote cheating in general, or by configuring the server to give one team an unfair advantage over the other. The last is the most common. Admin cheaters are the worst kind of cheater, since what they do promotes cheating in the gaming community and degrades the value of the game itself. I recomend that all players boycott completely any server that seems to consistently have cheaters in numbers or is configured to give an advantage to one particular team. Don’t let the admin have his way. Just play elsewhere. However, you, the honest player, have every right if not an obligation to announce cheaters when you see them. They are stealing from you! They steal because what they do devalues the game you are playing, reducing it’s playable lifespan, and that is like taking the money you spent on the game right out of your pocket. You should have no mercy on them whatsoever. If someone came into my home to steal, they would meet an early demise. However, in a game or chat, the most I can do to a thief is announce them to others and humiliate them.
Here are some of the cheats are set up by some admins:
Faster air strike, ammo, or medic pack recharging times
Faster medic regeneration
Forcing one team to spawn farther from a flag or from
the center of the map
Disabling the chat buffer for the opposing team to make
communications between the players more difficult
Disabling or limiting the Mauser, Panzerfaust, or Flame Thrower
for only 1 team during the game
Disabling the “Even The Teams” feature and then not allowing
players to join the other team to keep thier team always having
1 or 2 more players than the other team
Disabling voting for the purpose of preventing the cheaters
on thier team from being kicked
“Gang-up voting” to kick the better players on the other team
or to kick anyone who mentions they see cheating
Loading a special config during the game to make any of
above mentioned changes and hold the other team back
Here are some of the cheats used by players.
Autoaim - most easily noticed when:
A. a player is using a pistol
B. kills you with the first 2-3 rounds they fire at you
from great distance
C. turns and shoots you with uncanny speed and accuracy,
especially the instant that you become visible to them
when dashing around a corner.
A new one for Wolf ET is a player who’s pistol is fully
autoamatic and shoots rounds faster than the MP40 in RTCW
I have seen this cheat only once so far.
Invulnerability
Excessive strength - player less vulnerable to shots than normal
Wall Hack - player can see through walls *
Abnormal player speed
Flame Thrower Hack - weapon could shoot around corners
without having to bounce off of the walls *
Weapon Drop & Pickup - constant source of ammo *
Weapon Drop & Pickup #2 - use different main weapons *
Invisibility
indicates exploits that have supposedly been corrected by id Software
in the 1.4 and 1.41 updates to the game
I do not claim to know how all cheats work. I do not study them because I have no interest in using any of them. What I CAN do however, is describe them because I can see them in use, which is something we all can do. No doubt, the cheating in these games is not as rampant as in Quake2 CTF or Qauke3 Arena/Team Arena/CTF/etc or Half-Life Counter Strike, but they exist nonetheless. I would wager that there is at least 1 cheater, probably 3 or more on at least 1 out of every 3 servers, or some such comparison.
A little background on the term “bot” just for interest:
The term “bot” was first used to describe the robotic enemies of the PC game Descent(1995), which was the world’s first truly 3D computer game. Descent was also the first PC game that had the popular “Capture The Flag” mode of play right out of the box. Since Descent, the term bot has been adopted to describe computer opponents in any game.
Cheaters are a clanish breed. They hate it when you let them know that you could tell they were cheating. This is also the reason that when you post something in a gaming forum about spotting a cheater, a number of cheaters will start posting nasty comments about you. It is predictable, and has happened in every gaming forum that ever was. The silly thing is, some of them are so stupid that they actually don’t believe that regular honest players can usually tell when someone is cheating by simply playing them for a while.
If you are in a game chat for example, and mention that you have seen a cheater sissy, or mention it during a game, not only will the cheater you called out verbally attack you, but other players who are also cheating will often gang-up on you with verbal abuse. This is because it pisses them off that you have noticed the cheating. They want desperately to try to convince you that you are wrong, and will call you a “newbie” or “noob” and all other manner of insults. They will say that you are an idiot who is a lousy player and that you are whining because you are getting beaten. They will try every insult they can muster to try to make YOU look like the fool and take the pressure off themselves. The term “newbie” is all but worthless in fact, because there is almost no such thing. The term was origionally coined years ago by teenieboppers to describe players who are new to gaming and therefore inexperienced. This is still the term’s meaning today. Howerver, there are few such players in on-line gaming today. Few indeed. Nowadays the term is used loosely as an insult without regard for it’s meaning. It’s a teeniebopper thing.
Virtually any player who is honest can see cheating, and the ability to spot a cheater relates more to common sence than experience in any particular game. If you were racing cars with someone on your neighborhood street and both cars were family cars with V-6 engines, yet your opponent left you so fast that it was as if he were driving a Lambourini Diablo, wouldn’t you be able to tell he was lying when he said his car was stock? Sure you would. The same goes for gaming. Any honest player can see when another player has abnormal attributes. To spot cheaters sometimes it takes making a mental note of players names who seem to be able to kill you with the first 2-3 bullets they shoot at you from a distance. When you are killed a few times by that same player with the first 2-3 bullets they fire at you, you can rest assured that you have caught a cheater sissy. All players make headshots. But the bot sissies do it not only consistently, but almost exclusively. The autoaimer aims for the head and nowhere else. Seldom will an autoaimer hit you anywhere other than in the headm, regardless of their distance from you. Much of the time it’s easier than that to spot an autoaimer, and takes little or no effort at all.
A final note about cheaters:
Cheaters are poor players. Especially autoaim users. This is because they rely on the cheat/s they are using instead of developing/maintaining skill in their own right. Take the autoaim away from a cheater and you have someone who is a relatively easy kill. It takes consistency to be a good player, and relying on cheats makes someone inconsistent in their aiming skills.
I am a good player, but I do not claim to be the best RTCW/Wolf ET player in the world. But like any other good player, I can spot a cheat by using common sence and having just a little patience.
Yes, autoaim bots exist. However, they are not as easily noticed as you think they are.
A. a player is using a pistol
… Perhaps they’re out of ammo for their main gun/their man gun requires charge/they want to practice pistol skills
B. kills you with the first 2-3 rounds they fire at you
from great distance
Good players can do so. Lucky shots always happen.
C. turns and shoots you with uncanny speed and accuracy,
especially the instant that you become visible to them
when dashing around a corner.
I look behind myself randomly at times. It could appear to the other person that I managed to look behind RIGHT as they were popping out.
A new one for Wolf ET is a player who’s pistol is fully
autoamatic and shoots rounds faster than the MP40 in RTCW
I have seen this cheat only once so far.
THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE. Servers cannot allow this to happen because the speed of the gun is server-side, and cannot be manipulated unless you’re an server admin.
Invulnerability
Devmap enabled much on the servers you’re playing on?
Excessive strength - player less vulnerable to shots than normal
Not possible. Servers determine hitboxes.
Wall Hack - player can see through walls *
OK, these exist. They do give an unfair advantage, but it’s pretty hard to detect if a player’s using them.
Abnormal player speed
:???:
Flame Thrower Hack - weapon could shoot around corners
without having to bounce off of the walls *
Weapon Drop & Pickup - constant source of ammo *
Weapon Drop & Pickup #2 - use different main weapons *
Old.
Invisibility
Fixed with so-called “Pure” servers. Invisibility is a problem because they have hacked empty player models.
indicates exploits that have supposedly been corrected by id Software
in the 1.4 and 1.41 updates to the game
I do not claim to know how all cheats work. I do not study them because I have no interest in using any of them. What I CAN do however, is describe them because I can see them in use, which is something we all can do. No doubt, the cheating in these games is not as rampant as in Quake2 CTF or Qauke3 Arena/Team Arena/CTF/etc or Half-Life Counter Strike, but they exist nonetheless. I would wager that there is at least 1 cheater, probably 3 or more on at least 1 out of every 3 servers, or some such comparison.
Ha… No. Cheating is not as prevelent as you think it is. It does exist, but only very rarely.
Cheaters are a clanish breed. They hate it when you let them know that you could tell they were cheating. This is also the reason that when you post something in a gaming forum about spotting a cheater, a number of cheaters will start posting nasty comments about you. It is predictable, and has happened in every gaming forum that ever was. The silly thing is, some of them are so stupid that they actually don’t believe that regular honest players can usually tell when someone is cheating by simply playing them for a while.
It is hard to tell whenever somebody is cheating. Most people just call good players cheaters. Many of us have been falsely accused of being cheats.
If you are in a game chat for example, and mention that you have seen a cheater sissy, or mention it during a game, not only will the cheater you called out verbally attack you, but other players who are also cheating will often gang-up on you with verbal abuse.
blah blah, rehashing old point.
Virtually any player who is honest can see cheating, and the ability to spot a cheater relates more to common sence than experience in any particular game. If you were racing cars with someone on your neighborhood street and both cars were family cars with V-6 engines, yet your opponent left you so fast that it was as if he were driving a Lambourini Diablo, wouldn’t you be able to tell he was lying when he said his car was stock? Sure you would. The same goes for gaming.
Now we’re not racing cars here, are we? Gaming is a game dominated by skill, rather than hardware. Of course, you do have the issue of other people getting better frames per second than you, but that’s hardly an issue.
Any honest player can see when another player has abnormal attributes. To spot cheaters sometimes it takes making a mental note of players names who seem to be able to kill you with the first 2-3 bullets they shoot at you from a distance. When you are killed a few times by that same player with the first 2-3 bullets they fire at you, you can rest assured that you have caught a cheater sissy. All players make headshots. But the bot sissies do it not only consistently, but almost exclusively. The autoaimer aims for the head and nowhere else. Seldom will an autoaimer hit you anywhere other than in the headm, regardless of their distance from you. Much of the time it’s easier than that to spot an autoaimer, and takes little or no effort at all.
I know people that don’t cheat that always hit my head in CS. How, you ask? They don’t go for any body parts. They just sweep high. It’s either a home run or a strikeout for them. Also, how in ET are you able to see where an assailant has it you? It doesn’t give nice DEATH STATISTICS - You have been hit with 133.9 damage, and you gave 54 damage to him. Shots - 4 Left leg, 1 Head, like some CS servers do.
Yes indeed you are. Using exploits is cheating. So says id Software, the maker of these games’ engine. That is why id Software corrected the flame thrower exploit in RTCW where a flame thrower could be fired at a wall and the flame would bend around a corner. id Also made changes in the 1.4 and 1.41 updates to make it harder to use other exploits.[/quote]
Activision never patched the Assault artillery exploit, even thought it has been used since the version 1.1. They must have known that it exist because poeple have been using this constantly in clan wars and public play. It isn’t a secret, that’s why we’re so amazed that you didn’t know that. I disagree with you when it comes to deciding which kind of behaviour is determined cheating, it’s not only the game maker but also the community who does this. And I honestly feel that the Wolf community has accepted this as a part of the game.
As far as Heavy weapons limits, and charge times, yeah these can be changed to customize the game… it just depends on the kind of server someone wants to run… They affect both teams equally… Its not cheating.
You didn’t even metion limited lives, but these to can be set…
IF you DONT LIKE THESE SETTINGS dont play on those servers…
Some people set things like charge rates, Gravity and the like to be different…
Don’t like it? Don’t play there…
There is a favorites marker you can select… (I love that SD maed it so you can even select in game to mark as favorite…I jsut to hate not remembering in old RTCW)
Admins can’t force people to spawn away from spawn points… you can’t spawn away from spawn points!
If you dont want to spawn at one point select a different spawn…
And BTW you complained that Turning off kick votes was a cheat and allowing players to kickvote people off is a cheat…
Some servers turn off votekick to prevent the kicking of good players, others leave it on and try to limit the abuse…
and neither is a CHEAT…
If you don’t like a setting it doesn’t make it a cheat…
Oh dear IRONMAN, you really do live in some weird parallel Universe. I’ll have a proper read of your post on Monday, and hopefully explain to you how completely and miserably wrong you are about, well, almost everything, if others haven’t done it already by then. Sorry can’t do it before then but I intend to enjoy my weekend. You presumably won’t enjoy yours cos you’ll be seeing cheaters behind every rock and bush. Sad, sad, sad, sad, sad. :bored: :bored: :bored:
I can headshots fairly regularly with a pistol or SMG at long range, and there are a lot of people who are MUCH better than me. If you believe that is a sure sign of cheating, every CAL-I and most CAL-M teams are entirely composed of cheaters. By some magic, they also get their cheats to work at qcon, where they can’t even load software onto the machines.
In ET, this is even more likely, because by the time you have level 4 light weapons, the SMGs have railgun like accuracy.
You can shoot the pistol faster by pushing the mouse button faster. With the reduced rate of fire of ET SMGs, you can in fact fire it almost as fast. There is a limit where pushing the button faster doesn’t help you.
Players moving at unusual speed is called ‘strafe jumping’ ‘circle strafe jumping’ or ‘sprint jumping’ If you have really been playing FPS games for as long as you claim, I’d expect you to know about it. Game designers could make it impossible (for example, the true combat mod for q3), but id and splash chose not to. So it isn’t cheating. In fact, it is a longstanding tradition in quake games.
I really look forward to your demos now.
I usually play on clan nyX server and The Quarks Challenge. I’d love to see how many cheaters you can detect on either of those.
Applies to both teams. And there’s no such thing as the Mauser in ET. K43 and Garand can’t be limited.
Balanced teams can be disabled, but you can’t force one team to have more players.
Find another server to play on. If you don’t like how the admin runs it, tough shit, it’s their server. I’ve never seen an admin do any of the things you mentioned anyway.
Yes, it happens.
No. Just no. Pistol is a decent weapon. Good to use if your clip is low and reloading could be dangerous. I find myself using it often.
Pistol is surprisingly accurate. Better than unscoped rifle if you’re standing still. See this.
Close range, it’s hard to miss. Also keep in mind that the majority of et players are not deaf.
Don’t hold the trigger down, click fast. It can fire a lot faster that way. And that’s not an exploit, it’s supposed to be that way. Anyway, it’s open to everyone, not just one team.
Server side.
Yes, it exists. PB stops a lot of that, though.
Server side. Also keep in mind that medics can use adrenaline for a burst of stamina, and that L3 heavy weapons lets soldiers walk faster with a heavy weapon out.
I’m unfamiliar with this one.
Doesn’t work, to my knowledge, in ET. There is an odd bug that can cause a gun to pop out in front of you. I’ve found myself picking up mysterious ammo before. I have no idea how that works, though. I suppose it might be possible to exploit.
Server side.
You keep saying that. Show us some fucking EVIDENCE. You’re starting to sound like a damn creationist.
Okaaay…nice tangent there…
You seem to know an awful lot about how the cheater’s mind works…
Surely they’re not trying to defend themselves from baseless accusations…and surely their friends aren’t sticking up for them…right?
You haven’t spotted a cheater until you get a PB screenshot. Until then, it’s just an accusation. Anyone can accuse someone of cheating. I won’t believe you until I see a screenshot. Sorry to disappoint, but I trust people.
Not until you prove it you can’t. Join a server as a spectator and follow some players, recording demos the whole time. Post it here when you find one. If it’s too big for you to host, I’d be glad to host it for you, just email it.
worthwhile point in this bit though, just fwiw, and presuming server is running pure ~ without mods:
Faster air strike, ammo, or medic pack recharging times CAN*
Faster medic regeneration CANT
Forcing one team to spawn farther from a flag or from
the center of the map CANT
Disabling the chat buffer for the opposing team to make
communications between the players more difficult CANT
Disabling or limiting the Mauser, Panzerfaust, or Flame Thrower
for only 1 team during the game CANT
Disabling the “Even The Teams” feature and then not allowing
players to join the other team to keep thier team always having
1 or 2 more players than the other team CANT**
Disabling voting for the purpose of preventing the cheaters
on thier team from being kicked CAN*
“Gang-up voting” to kick the better players on the other team
or to kick anyone who mentions they see cheating CAN
Loading a special config during the game to make any of
above mentioned changes and hold the other team back CAN***
player can see the relevant settings in server info, if youre ever interested in checking them.
** Unless they just kept kicking players from the other team. There is no “teamforceunbalance” setting though.
***Most such settings being changed will result in a notice to all players.
Ironman isnt a troll, hes a heckler, llama who makes an effort into trying to ruin games. Sorry Ironman, for most people youve just provided a lot of amusement.
can’t be done without modifying .script files or using a mod
HAHAHAHA. no.
you cannot change it for one team only, and you cannot change it at all without a server side mod.
who cares? leave the server.
maybe they turned off votes so airheads like yourself won’t spam kick votes to kick “chetarz”
aww, did this happen to you? maybe you accused an admin of cheating and didn’t know when to stop whining.
[quote=“I R O N M A N”]9. Loading a special config during the game to make any of
above mentioned changes and hold the other team back[quote=“I R O N M A N”]
most of the things mentioned (excluding those that are NOT FUCKING POSSIBLE) require a map_restart, which restarts the match.
it seems like the other peopel covered the non-admin portions fairly well.
my god i cant belive it took me till now to notice this thread
anyhooo
Few things for ya mr “everyone is a cheater”
i used to be a shoutcaster for SSCN (not a long career) but the result was i got to see a fair few clan matches of some of the best clans in the UK for RTCW.
Now these guys spend days in, days out practicing, learning how to always get that head shot, they spent ages on headshot only servers (a very popular mod for RTCW) and as such ALOT of RTCW players know where to aim to increase chance of getting a headshot, alot of these have then gone onto ET, and as such are getting head shots regularly
I personaly in ET, on a good day, dont tend to kill without at least 1 headshot, and 3 headshots will kill anyone, so 1 headshot ur already 1/3 dead, doesnt take many in the body to finish you off, we also get experienced at shooting @ things like muzzel flashes thru the fog, still cant see you but can trace the bullets back to you, this once again is experience, and if you turn of the graphics really low, u cant see the tracers.
As for spinning round a corner and shooting some1, this is something i did the other day and got accused of cheating for.
Now all i did was walk down a corridor and hear some blokey round the corner reloading his gun and jumping around making a complete racket, looking on the command map told me non of my guys were there, so it must have been an enemy i rounded the corner and shot him, helped by my very high mouse sensitivity (about 20 i belive) much higher than normal ppl tend to use, but also setupable in the menu’s (go look if u dont belive me) because i rounded the corner so fast and the server took a bit to catch up with me it looked like i was shooting the wrong way, so once again i got accused of cheating.
Basicly what im saying is in this incidence, my so called “aimbot/wallhack” was explained away by experience, skill, common sence, and lag.
You will find 99% of suposed cheats fall into this catagory.
Next off
Game dynamics
RTCW/ET is a hitscan game (for most weapons)
what this means is when u shoot the server checks where the bullet hit using its own code then applies the damage at that moment
this means things like spread, damage, accuracy, and hit box, are all analised by the server, NOT locally.
What does this mean for the purposes of Aimbots.
Well as much as they might be accurate (dunno never used them) they cant lead the target, or adapt to that X factor that all humans have, thus when it shoots by the time it hits the server blokey has moved and so it actually miss’s, thus making most aim bot, miss bots, unless ur on a VERY fast conex with practically zero lag.
Wud also add because most of the stuff is calculated by the server, no cheater can change the spread of his weapon, so if something is impossible without an aimbot (ie in ur mind getting 2 head shots in a row) then its also impossible WITH an aimbot, if you dont happen to belive me, i suggest you go make a headshot mod for plain ordinary Wolf, you will quickly learn, as i did, that what i say is fact.
For the record i have also made a Headshot mod for ordinary wolf, so i have seen the RTCW source code and have got a vague idea of what im on about.
I would strongly suggest you keep all this in mind next time u think some1 is cheating, i think over the course of it u will come to realise, its just practice, skill, and more than likely, lag
I assumed that the fatmouths would come out of the woodwork to bash at me over that last post, but then, as I said, post that you can see a cheater and they come spending all of their desperate energy to try to convice you that your eyes decieve you.
All of the cheats I mentioned are either past or present cheats in RTCW, and 1 or two for Wolf ET (as yet). Argue all you like, they are well documented and can be read about in depth on forums at other sites, like rtcwonline.com and rtcwfiles.com, and a host of other sites. But then it seems a few of you (the bashers) think they don’t exist or are so rare. chuckle
Nobody is saying “everyone is a cheater” but that is how you wish that you could portray me. If cheating ever gets as bad in Wolf ET and RTCW as it did in Quake2 and Quake3, rest assured that most of the honest players will uninstall it and the only ones left playing it will be the cheaters, for that is not far from what has happened to those games.
Serverside, clientside or any other way, they exist. It’s just so funny that you guys say “Can’t be done, unless…” It’s that “unless” part that makes me laugh do hard. It also shows your expertise in manipulating the game for the purpose of cheating. I must say that you are very informative, and I have learned a little about how some of these cheats are done from you guys.
I have no interest in posting about this anymore. I hade done more than enough to help the honest players reconcile what they see here and there and can’t believe with their eyes. I am glad that you have worked so hard to try to refute the facts that I have provided, as it also helps others to see the clannish, fervent, and hateful nature of cheaters. Post what you like, for I will not return to read it. Happy gaming!
[b]I leave you with a quote form Todd Hollenshead CEO of id Software, Inc.:
“…a closed content game would be less susceptible to cheating is true, but ultimately cheats would come out anyway. It’s a fact of Internet life that some people want to be destructive, rude, or vandals and the feeling of anonymity emboldens them to make poor choices about what to do with their time.”[/b]
and they had lots of cheaters before he was escorted off. So i guess in some cases the older player being mature doesn’t always hold true. I guess with a free game you’ll have to put up with these nimrods for awhile until they decide “everyones got to be cheating because I couldn’t possibly just suck this bad” and they move on.
