Xgincode violating several EU laws on privacy.

(dynamicOctagon) #41

We’re barely off of it. It’s not like we started talking about cats. [/quote]

Miauw Miauw. purr purr

(Ghosthree3) #42

Relevance? And where did I say that.

(Akselmo) #43

Why do you close the door when you go to bathroom? What, you got something to hide? You planning to overtake the world there!?
[/quote]

Insert evil laughter

Ofcourse i do minion, it is MEEEE who invented this program all alone!

I have your nudies, I have your dogs nudies! MWHUAUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA[/quote]

I knew it! I bloody knew it!

[quote=“insightfulHelicopter;36250”]

Why do you close the door when you go to bathroom? What, you got something to hide? You planning to overtake the world there!?

Because we don’t want to be seen naked by another human beeing. Here we’re talking about algorithms cheking for patterns, can’t you make the difference?[/quote]

I wasn’t really serious with that one, but if you don’t give a damn about your privacy, might aswell leave that door open then.

But I’m done arguing on internet for today, don’t see the point of it because no-one will ever agree with each other and it will be just a shit flinging contest till the end of times. All we can really do is to inform each other, Splash Damage and Nexon (If they care.)

Edit: read things wrong derp

(Gi.Am) #44

[quote=“JonesyIrl;36201”]

The point is its breaking EU law.[/quote]

The thing is it isn’t. look I didn’t read the discussion on reddit and I’m not a legal expert but the OP on reddit states 3 things that are 100% independent of each other.

  1. he shows us that xigncode scans your files, which is quite frankly expected behaviour for an anticheat tool.
  2. he shows us a passage of the Eula (which we should already know about since we read it prior to agreeing to it, right ^^ ). In which we give Xigncode /Nexon the right to log all our communications.
  3. he shows an article about the EU court declaring that gamecompanys can’t prevent you from reselling games. Which up to that point was a standard part of quite a few Eulas when it came to games.

Thing is 3. doesn’t make 1. and 2. illegal. Heck it doesn’t even make the Eulas illegal that had the reselling passage in it. It only made that part uninforcable by the companies. i.e. they can’t sue you, if you sell your game.

now 2. is indeed a huge privacy concern. You should have read the Eula and hit No (for starters). Now keeping the track record of the EU privacy laws in mind, I would say the chance is high that this section would be declared as void if it came before a court.

So here is how these things play out (as far as I understand it someone with better knowledge feel free to correct me). You use a tool that prevents xigncode from snooping your communications. Xigncode informs, Nexon, who cancels your DB account based on Eula violations.
You file a complaint stating that this part of the Eula is against EU law and they shouldn’t be able to cancel your account for this. EU Court agrees and Nexon has to reactivate your account and can’t prevent people to circumvent communication snooping in the future.

The alternative is to be vocal about this part. And force Xigncode/Nexon to abondon that practice (and the segment of the Eula) based on public image damage.

(Kroad) #45

lmao this is just people making a fuss about nothing again (its actually the second time this was posted on that sub), literally every anticheat does this (how do you want AC to find hacks without monitoring your computer), i have seen this exact same post on forums for every game i keep an eye on (guess what, vac does the same thing) and no company ever gets sued because there’s nothing illegal or wrong with what’s going on (they monitor your PC and send info back about any hacks they find)

real problem with xigncode is that it doesnt ban hackers, but of course people are more worried about imaginary privacy concerns that people ruining the game

(watsyurdeal) #46

ffs just get VAC, just about as good at detecting hackers as xign and far less intrusive

(Amerika) #47

This comes with the territory with any anti-cheat. It’s good that people are paying attention to it and that it’s being monitored to avoid any issues but this is exactly what an anti-cheat is supposed to be doing. It’s supposed to scan a lot of things going on with your PC while you are playing in order to try and catch cheat programs.

People should not be upset that this is happening…it’s supposed to. They should only be upset if the exact nature of what the AC is doing actually violates their privacy.

For example, a lot of people in that thread advocating VAC. But somewhat recently VAC was under fire because of ignorance from people and threads like this get the crowd pitchfork mentality going way before it’s understood what is happening. VAC was scanning certain files to check for particular routes to websites that some of these cheats were using to “phone home” for their DRM. That’s all it did. But tons of people went on and on about how their privacy rights were being violated when in reality nothing of the sort was happening.

And then there are the people who talk about the wonders of ESEA as an AC. Do you know why it’s so great? Because it’s VERY invasive. Way more than VAC, XIGNcode, Punkbuster etc.

Basically, people should keep tabs on what is going on with their PC’s but understand exactly what is being looked at and scanned by an AC before getting their pitchforks out. Asking questions is good. Being judgmental before you understand the situation is not.

(Rhyno) #48

Since XIGNCODE is one of the absolute worst anticheats I’ve ever seen this might as well be malware on your computer. It’s not catching any hackers and is invading your privacy. gg

(Abal) #49

[quote=“Amerika;36301”]This comes with the territory with any anti-cheat. It’s good that people are paying attention to it and that it’s being monitored to avoid any issues but this is exactly what an anti-cheat is supposed to be doing. It’s supposed to scan a lot of things going on with your PC while you are playing in order to try and catch cheat programs.

People should not be upset that this is happening…it’s supposed to. They should only be upset if the exact nature of what the AC is doing actually violates their privacy.

For example, a lot of people in that thread advocating VAC. But somewhat recently VAC was under fire because of ignorance from people and threads like this get the crowd pitchfork mentality going way before it’s understood what is happening. VAC was scanning certain files to check for particular routes to websites that some of these cheats were using to “phone home” for their DRM. That’s all it did. But tons of people went on and on about how their privacy rights were being violated when in reality nothing of the sort was happening.

And then there are the people who talk about the wonders of ESEA as an AC. Do you know why it’s so great? Because it’s VERY invasive. Way more than VAC, XIGNcode, Punkbuster etc.

Basically, people should keep tabs on what is going on with their PC’s but understand exactly what is being looked at and scanned by an AC before getting their pitchforks out. Asking questions is good. Being judgmental before you understand the situation is not.[/quote]

but even with invasion of privacy hackers are still here.

(Amerika) #50

[quote=“Abal;36359”][quote=“Amerika;36301”]This comes with the territory with any anti-cheat. It’s good that people are paying attention to it and that it’s being monitored to avoid any issues but this is exactly what an anti-cheat is supposed to be doing. It’s supposed to scan a lot of things going on with your PC while you are playing in order to try and catch cheat programs.

People should not be upset that this is happening…it’s supposed to. They should only be upset if the exact nature of what the AC is doing actually violates their privacy.

For example, a lot of people in that thread advocating VAC. But somewhat recently VAC was under fire because of ignorance from people and threads like this get the crowd pitchfork mentality going way before it’s understood what is happening. VAC was scanning certain files to check for particular routes to websites that some of these cheats were using to “phone home” for their DRM. That’s all it did. But tons of people went on and on about how their privacy rights were being violated when in reality nothing of the sort was happening.

And then there are the people who talk about the wonders of ESEA as an AC. Do you know why it’s so great? Because it’s VERY invasive. Way more than VAC, XIGNcode, Punkbuster etc.

Basically, people should keep tabs on what is going on with their PC’s but understand exactly what is being looked at and scanned by an AC before getting their pitchforks out. Asking questions is good. Being judgmental before you understand the situation is not.[/quote]

but even with invasion of privacy hackers are still here. [/quote]

No anti-cheat software can stop all cheating. All it can do is provide tools and resources to eliminate them over time. If you hold the belief that there should never be any cheats in a game that employs an Anti-cheat them I am sorry to inform you that your belief is incorrect. XIGNcode could definitely be better and more responsive. Nobody argues that. But even the best AC’s can be fooled for a while. And sometimes you have to let cheaters get detected but not actually ban in an effort to not give the cheat makers an idea of what was detected. This is why Valve and Blizzard do ban waves instead of instantly banning people using new cheats. What makes an AC good is how they respond and in some cases how quickly. Which is what XIGNcode severely lacks.

I know it’s a bit complicated and it sucks when you run into a cheater. But if you arm yourself with the knowledge of how these things works it definitely helps considerably.

(Ghosthree3) #51

Does Xigncode stop any cheating though? I’m starting to think it’s a placebo.

(Runeforce) #52

[quote=“Ghosthree3;36363”]
Does Xigncode stop any cheating though? I’m starting to think it’s a placebo.[/quote]

Like having ‘anti-cheat’ in the first place…?

(Aazhyd) #53

It’s being used by AVA too and that game is at times loaded with hackers. However, a lot of hackers do get caught. But new hacks emerge every time. It’s a constant uphill battle.

(Ghosthree3) #54

What I don’t understand is how the big ones aren’t being banned, surely an employee can grab a copy and add it to the Xigncode database. Or however it works. I understand not every cheat can be blocked this way, but the giant ones, like the all in one mentioned in a reddit post a while back. Why aren’t those blocked yet.

(Amerika) #55

What I don’t understand is how the big ones aren’t being banned, surely an employee can grab a copy and add it to the Xigncode database. Or however it works. I understand not every cheat can be blocked this way, but the giant ones, like the all in one mentioned in a reddit post a while back. Why aren’t those blocked yet.[/quote]

The lack of a timely turnaround or any kind of communication is the biggest problem with XIBNcode. It does block tons of cheats but it doesn’t appear to aggressively go after new ones or communicate their reasoning. This is most likely the reason why SD has communicated that they are looking into other AC clients.

(ThatRandomGuy) #56

If DB devs actually need something that works, try getting FAIRFIGHT !

(Gestankfaust) #57

Every time anti cheat software is discovered by ppl…they get all “pro privacy”. Punkbuster went through this too…a lot

(wittyChicken) #58

[quote=“Ghosthree3;36227”]
What on earth makes you think this needs to be client side. It’s not even used for that anyway, it can’t know where you’re typing. The chatlogs are server side, jesus christ.[/quote]
Humm, can you point to me where I claimed them to be client side? How did you come up with that?

(Ghosthree3) #59

It was probably the part where this thread is about Xigncode and you talked about storing chat logs.

(wittyChicken) #60

[quote=“Ghosthree3;36576”]
It was probably the part where this thread is about Xigncode and you talked about storing chat logs.[/quote]
Aaa, that was mainly about the original reddit thread where they complain about Nexon’s EULA, spying what you type and scanning your files.