Wils, you owe someone an apology.


(VinWns) #1

Wils,

In all honesty, you owe me an apology, right here in the forums. You owe me this appology because you have repeatedly talked down to me when it was uncalled for. Furthermore, you have banned me twice because I was drawn into an argument with the few truest trolls of these forums - these few adolescent minded persons who have constantly trolled me since I first posted on your forums. Instead of warning or banning these immature ones who have followed me from thread to thread to verbally attack me with indecent comments and name calling simply because they want desperately to convince others that cheating is quite rare, they know that I dislike cheaters and I
have had a few truthful, noteworthy things to say about the subject, and this is something that upsets them greatly, you have taken yourself out on me. I could tell you without doubt what thier behavior says of them… I could tell you precicely what kind of players they are and where they come from because their behavior bespeaks of it ever so clearly, these few trolling thugs. It doesn’t take a genius to get the picture. But that is not what I am here to do.

When I have posted in a thread dedicated to hacks or cheaters something from my personal experience, there they come with all of their indescencies. Instead of posting something in such a thread about cheaters or hackers and their science, they only post in those threads hateful comments directed at me because they know that I am not gullible to their propaganda, and this is something that upsets them greatly. And yet you come down on me because of their behavior and their indescent acts and their starting of arguments and doing all they can to draw me out of discussion and into argument. You have your azz on backwards Wils.

Only after numerous, repeat hateful comments from them and abundant name calling did I ever lose my cool and use similar language directed toward them. Yet you came down on me. Even after I decided that I would not allow these childish, hateful, immature, trolling persons to get me flustered and respond in kind, you still come down on me. I have never trolled your forums - chasing persons only to bash them and used such language toward them, as they have done to me. Yet you come down on me instead of them. I have been pretty darn kind and held my tongue in comparison to the language and nature of the comments directed toward me and others who have posted to the subject of the thread on your forums dedicated to that very subject. Yet you come down on me.

In fact, there are only a few threads that I have posted in, and when I post something on-topic in one of these 3 or 4 threads of the hundreds of threads, here come the trolling, hateful, immature ones to use innapropriate comments, language, and violent antagonism toward me, even if the thread has not been posted in for months. Yet you come down on me.I could understand if I posted all over your forums negative comments toward others that you would have such an attitude. I would understand if I used vulgar language. And I would understand if I called people bad names. But since I have done none of these things (with the exception of losing my cool once, which I corrected so as not to be like them), it is completely innapropriate that you come down
on me. Instead, you should be warning these few trolling hatemongers, thugs of the Internet kind, instead of the one who is the target of their spite. You do your company and the gaming community in general a terrible disservice when you come down on someone who is trolled and bashed with such comments and language in your forums. Instead of telling those who do such things, “Hey, take it easy out you guys. You are being to rough. You can discuss and disagree without talking to someone that way or trolling their every post.”, you come down on the one who is the brunt of their hateful behavior. This sends the wrong message to gamers Wils. Absolutely the wrong message. It is akin to a teacher punishing a child for expressing himself in the classroom dedicated to expressing yourself, when 3 or 4 of his mates are allowed to express themselves hatefully and direct it towrd the one you scold. It is bassackwards Wils. And it is discourteous to me.

Your attitude toward me is inexplicably discourteous, unprofessional, and innapropriate. I have posted on many forums in my time, and have not met with an admin who takes issue with one who posts on-topic and without personally directed hatefullness, and leaves trolling hatemongers unscolded… until I posted in your forums, where I have been trollingly chased down by a few badmouthing thugs bent on destruction.

A friend of mine (a lady who has been my best friend for many years and does not play FPS games but loves to watch me play them) told me recently, “Well, if that’s the kind of people making that game, you don’t need to be buying their games. Forget them. There are other game makers.” But I don’t agree with her. I don’t think that your behavior is a realistic representation of Splash Damage. At least, I certainly hope it’s not.

In all honesty, you do own me an apology Wils. You have shown me much disrespect while leaving people who are not respectable to treat others badly in your forums. And you really should be more responsible in seeing that people like those few I have mentioned are not allowed to do such things as they have without intervention. I hope that you will sincerely think about this and do the right thing. It would speak well of your character.

Cheers

:lookaround:


(no_shad) #2

In all honesty, you talk nothing but crap.

Remind me how much you actually paid for the game :eek3:

Personally i would have slapped you with a permaban, i guess the SD admins are a bit more tolerant.


(DG) #3

anyone got cliffnotes?


(SET) #4

Although this thread is none of my business, I felt compelled to offer the following reading material to the topic starter:

http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html


(mouse) #5

you have banned me twice

And you still dont get it? :weird:


(Rain) #6

:uhoh: :moo:

…and I suppose you’re innocent for creating accounts over and over again, despite being banned; talking to everyone in a condescending manner almost all of the time; and sensationalizing things so much that you’re almost certainly a troll.

FWIW, I know that several of the people you’ve attacked are well aware that people do cheat, and they’re perhaps a bit more prolific than some people thing; however, none of us believes a word you say (mostly due to your existing reputation.) Pompously claiming that sv_pure is part of Punkbuster and deliberting over the existence of ‘jumphax’ with poorly created animated GIFs don’t help your position and only serves to discredit you further.

All in all, I think the whole thing is rather amusing (mostly because you’re not very good at trolling), but if the forums had a feature that would let me ignore certain users—you’d be top on the list. Several people have posted demos here before to ask for second opinions on whether a person is cheating, and those people have all received constructive responses. The problem does not lie with the regulars of this forum—it lies with you.


(BondyBoy007) #7

^^^^^^ what he says

lol classic one Ironman


(CM..Punk) #8

You could have recorded a demo in the time it took to type that. Btw, don’t you think this thread will get locked too? I’d say there’s a fairly high chance. Since you know this and did it anyway, that’s trolling.


(Tabasco(+)) #9

WTF ? i strongly agree with no_shad, HOW MUCH DID U PAY FOR THE GAME ?

BTW can someone hand me a thompson so i can shoot VinWns :bump:


(amazinglarry) #10

With such an extensive vocabulary… you must have some degree of intelligence… however you’ve been banned twice, going on a third? tsk tsk… Should put more of your training points into common sense and logic… :confused:


(duke'ku) #11

And maps aren’t just .bsp files, they’re still .pk3 files, right, IRONMAN?!@#%


(Ifurita) #12

LOL is all I have to say. I don’t think Wils owes you anything


(Sauron|EFG) #13

…except maybe an email to the abuse department of Ironman’s ISP. :slight_smile:


(Kendle) #14

My last word on the IRONMAN saga, so it’s a long one, be prepared ….

IRONMAN, if all you had to say was “there are cheats in ET� no-one would ever have given you a hard time because we all know this to be true. However you insisted there were numerous cheats, so many in fact that you claimed you saw them frequently and you were challenged on this point in so much as you were asked to provide demos as evidence. You failed to do so, other than to post one demo of a supposed “Panzer hack�, which was proven false and required you to apologise to those you accused.

In general your attitude towards anyone who has disputed your claims has been to suggest they must be sissy / pussy cheaters themselves (your terminology, not mine).If that were all there were to this sorry tale that would be bad enough. It’s one thing to have an opinion about something, but you make statements as if they’re true and then flame anyone who disputes them, even when those people (not including me) are mod developers with access to both ET and Quake3 engine source code and who’s knowledge of the technicalities of the game far outstrip yours.

Indeed you have engaged in long protracted arguments on technical subjects, and your statements proven inaccurate, and yet still take offence at anyone who doesn’t take your word on something as Gospel.

But that’s not even the worst of it. You make claims about the existence of cheats that don’t exist and can’t exist given the nature of the client / server architecture of ET. (for instance, claiming to see things that the client software on your PC isn’t programmed to display and claiming to see things that are determined server side and which no player’s client could influence).

And when your statements are disputed, instead of engaging in reasoned debate and / or offering technical explanations for your claims you accuse those who disagree with you of having hidden agendas. You attack the person rather than address the point.
Admittedly you have been the victim of such treatment yourself in your last 2 attempts to get back on these forums, but can you not see how you brought this on yourself with your ridiculous prior claims and complete unwillingness to listen to reason?

One can only speculate as to why you make such outlandish claims, be it simple ignorance of how online games work (despite your alleged extensive gaming experience), be it an oversized ego that won’t let you accept there really are players out there that much better than you, or be it that you’re simply a Troll yourself. Someone who knows full well the claims you make are untrue and unsupportable and who only makes them to spread FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) within a gaming community that for some inexplicit reason you’ve decided to hate.

You don’t strike me as stupid. Your posts are eloquent and cohesive, if sometimes a little (possibly deliberately) vague and contradictory. I have an opinion on your gaming ability based on a single demo you posted but that means nothing, there are worse players than you who don’t scream “cheat� whenever they get owned.

So I can only reason that you’re a Troll. That you know damn well that some of the cheats you claim to have seen don’t and can’t exist and that your reason for claiming they do is to put people off playing ET, for some bizarre reason. I don’t, and can’t, get my head round the mentality of someone who would do that, and, having the unshakeable faith in human nature that I do, I still want to believe that you’re just stupid and a bad player.

If by some act of supreme kindness Wils allows you to continue posting on these forums, please, please, please do yourself a favour and stop making unsupportable claims. Instead of posting animated gifs taken from screenshots from demos, post the demos. If you need somewhere to host them PM me and I’ll give you a private FTP account you can upload them to.

But above all, when someone disagrees with you, which will always happen on forums, be prepared to argue your point with evidence and explanations rather than attacking the integrity of person disputing your claims.

Anyway, I said this is my last word on the IRONMAN saga and it is. My part in this tale has been far from exemplary although I won’t offer you a personal apology as I don’t owe you one (I’ve never said anything to you beyond what you’re said to me). From now on I will restrict my responses to your posts (if there are any more) to the facts. I have a responsibility to do so as a fan of ET and as this is the World’s premier ET forum. Other people can and will make up there own minds as to what motivates a person to make such repeated, unsupported, outlandish claims about cheating in ET, without explanation or proof, and flame anyone who disagrees.


(Wils) #15

:rofl:


(Grimmy_EFG) #16

Hmm, am I the only one here thinking that Daz/Tavington and IRONMAN should get it together… Or perhaps they are the same person? :???:


(evilsock) #17

Hah - I thought the same thing as I read that Daz’s ‘protest’ website yesterday -10/10 for futility :open_mouth:


(VinWns) #18

[QUOTE Kendle] The first Clan I played for were actually a QuakeII Clan starting up a RTCW division. They formed their original Q2 Clan because, at the time, anyone that played Q2 on public servers was either a noob or an aimbot/wall-hack cheater./QUOTE]

Gosh Kendle. That’s a pretty broad statement. Anyone? There were virtually no honest players in that game then? I was there. I played honestly.You know, I seem to remember stating this very same thing a long time ago, but I did not say that “ANYONE” who played was an autoaimer or noob. When I said that Quake II became a game there a large percentage of players used autoaim, you flamed me horribly, and called me “bitter and paranoid” ex-member of the Quake II community. You called me bad names too. That’s pretty hypocritical Kendle. Don’t you think?

I remember saying something about there were “quite a few” cheaters in this and other games. When I did you flamed me horribly and said cheaters were rare and I should shut up and provide demos to prove that cheaters were anything more than rare at best. You called me bad names too.

I remember saying that very same thing once. When I did, you flamed me horribly and said that I was just pissed because I think that anyone who can aim better than me must be using autoaim. You called me bad names too.

When I first came to these forums, I made a mistake, not realizing that the panzer fires faster in ET than in RTCW by design. I apologized for it and asked to be forgiven. I stood up to my mistake like a man and even posted an apology on the site of the clan remeber that I wrongly accused. How many people would do that??? Still you have flamed me on every thread I have ever posted on (very few so very many), regardless of how long it had been since someone posted on it. You have actively sought me out to flame me on every single post I have ever made. You added me to you list of people to be email notified about, and went to those threads with the intention of flaming me and for nothing more.

The truth is Kendle, that you and a few like-minded persons have flamed and trolled me from the start because I was a newcomer to these forums saying the very same things you were saying. It seems as though this is because I did not somehow suck-up to you first, and you and your little group of antagonists think that you are in some way the rightful kings of these forums, so anyone coming here to post, even if what they are saying is similar to what you post, has no right to unlesss they first try to make a friend out of you and pay homage to you, as if they have to earn from you the right to make statements like yours, lest they be flamed and called bad names with vulgar language. even when I have made statements similar to yours about cheaters, you follow my posts to flame me, as if only you are worthy of making an observation about the subject. Kendle, in truth, there are probably a great many people who know what a cheater, like autoaim, looks like than you. And yet, to you it is somehow acceptable for you to make comments about cheaters, but when make any similar to yours, it was a crime against you - Forum King and Ruler of All Knowlege of the Subject of Cheating and Not Cheating. If it is something from your own personal experience, it is the truth, but if I say it, it is the ramblings of a “noob”, idiot, and much much worse.

Kendle, do you not realize that trolling someone with such intentions and being hypocritical about it in the process will cause anyone to become defenseive? Do you understand human nature so poorly? If you chase someone down to badmouth thier every word, they will become defensive, and that is precicely why, because of your chasing and attack, that I have a few times responded to you with language similar to what you had been using toward me from the start. Yes, you have used badmouthing toward me from the start. I never called you an idiot or such until you had incited me to by using such languiage taward me. You are an antagonist who incites trouble and actively seeks to bring out the worst in people, Kendle. Do you think that because you had already posted 100+ times in these forums and because I was new to them that I must simply allow you to badmouth me with name calling and lay down like someone with no respect for themselves and not respond? Even so, my use of such language toward you had been greatly less than the many ill-mannered things that you and a few of your like-minded friends have directed at me. Much less so.

If the mistake I made and corrected apologetically and immediately after being shown that I was wrong when I first came to these forums has for some reason caused you and your few friends to show colors of unforgivaness, hypocracy and an inability to move on, then I am more sorry for it now than when I made it. But that does not excuse your hypocacy and a desire to troll someone and flame their every word with vulgarities, even when what they say is akin to things you have said. You have no right to be a hypocrite or to troll an individual for the purpose of antagonistically flaming them and calling them names. If you need to boost your ego, at least do it without being hypocritical and attacking someone else’s every word to incite them.

When you say that you know there are plenty of pink dogs in the world, then when someone says they have seen pink dogs and this one looked like this, don’t start an argument with them about it and start saying pink dogs are terribly rare, and they are a nood idiot and an asswipe for saying that THEY have seen a pink dog. I can’t help you with your innability to spot a cheater, although you are always saying you have yet to see one even when you have also said numerous times that they exist, and even gone so far as to describe the manner in which they cheat or some potential technologies they must be using in many posts. But Kendle, many others have seen cheaters. Not only in this and other games, but in older games, like Quake II, which you yourself have aknowleged was at one time full of them. When I said the same thing, you called me names and said I was a paranoid, bitter noob.You are like the person who says UFO’s don’t exist because you have not seen one, when all the while you are in a forum thread dedicated to UFO’s and you are saying that you know they exist. Then you turn around and follow the one who says they have seen them from thread to thread to flame and badmouth them. It’s simply ridiculous behavior Kendle.

Just because you have not knowingly seen a cheater does not mean that anyone who says they have seen one is wrong. You have said many times that cheaters exist and you talk bad about cheaters. But to have no patience whatsoever for anyone else’s comments the same subject or saying that they have seen this or that kind of cheater makes you a trite hypocrite. To do it with the language that you do makes you rude. And to troll someone from thread to thread to do it makes you a troll and an antagonist. Kendle, you and a few of your like-minded friends are anything but innocent, but are in fact those who are most culpable in this chain of events. Thank you so much.

“The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don’t have it.”
George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)

“It becomes no man to nurse despair, but, in the teeth of clenched antagonisms, to follow up the worthiest till he die.”
Alfred, Lord Tennyson

But on the lighter side…

“I’ve had a wonderful time, but this wasn’t it.”
Groucho Marx (1895-1977)


(Sauron|EFG) #19

SD are the kings around here, and they asked you to stop using the forum. They are the ones that would deal with Kendle if he had been trolling.

P.S. I can do bold as well.


(Rain) #20

With all due respect (however much is due), this sounds exactly like you and not so much like Kendle.

On the general distaste felt towards you here—you’ve worked hard to earn your reputation, and you’ll have to work hard to live it down.

I’ll try not to fuel this fire any further, but on a parting note… you mentioned post counts. Did it occur to you to look at the older posts? Here’s a search for posts by for Kendle (skipped past the noise the current debacle has incited), and since I’ve been giving you a hard time as well, here’s a search for posts by Rain (ditto.) A cursory review of the search results (keep in mind that the quoted text can sometimes be confusingly incorporated in the results—view the post itself if something seems out-of-character) doesn’t seem to give much credence support to your accusation. To the best of my abilities to tell, you were only reading the forums about once a week before your current rampage, and not many threads at that; this doesn’t qualify you very well to judge other peoples’ character (in general) very well, supposing my margin of error is fairly low.

BTW, I’m pretty sure you can’t watch other users, specifically, for new posts. You can watch threads, however, and that’s such a useful feature that I (and likely several others) have it enabled by default. Since you’ve contained your discussion to one or two threads, it’s hardly as if you’re being singled out (in that particular regard.)

I do highly approve of your Marx quote, though. :banana:

Right on the mark. :zzz: