Why you slowing Russian version?

[Seanza]

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It’s great to get feedback from other vendors about their audience. That doesn’t automatically translate into making different versions of the game though, or at least it shouldn’t. I was always under the impression that Splash Damage are the ones who wanted to make the game for the PC-centric of us out there. I appreciate directions change, but as far as I’m concerned that’s a goal, not a direction.

[Finko]

Both of our companies always ready to listen to your opinions, and the changes are being tested in stages, so there is plenty of chance to have some input.

SD maybe, but not DD.There was a moment, when only ~12 players play in alpha test, we say nothinhg against speed (not only speed), but it was cripled lol, and all we hear from DD is something like “We test this in our office, and we dislike curent speed, it’s too fast”.I even duno why they start all this alpha test stuff, if they play it office?

We’re continuing to tweak abilities, movement and weapon speeds in order to make a fast-paced team game that is different to other FPS games on PC.

In CIS you get another shi**y f2p fps game, and I’m not sure about the popularity of the game.

[Glottis-3D]

Anton (Cooller) has been tweaking some of the movement and weapon stats in order to make something that suits the majority of players in Russia and CIS. It is Destiny’s final decision on whether they will stick to these changes.

If i am in the minority (which i doubt) and i dont like DDestiny’s final product will i be able to play Nexon version?
Or will you block my IP.?
“You are from CIS - go play DD’s version”
What about those players from Russia/Ukraine/Belarus who want a good fast-paced team game?

[Kendle]

Have to say this is all rather strange.

SD stated they intended to retain creative control of the game, but then handed over that creative control before we even get to beta to the company that are going to distribute the game to a huge chunk of the planet. Aside from how this impacts the ability to play across regions it all smacks of desperation on SD’s part. Is there really no other distributor in Russia / CIS that would’ve done the job without tweaking the game to their own liking? (not to mention how this forum is full of Russian / CIS players who don’t agree with these changes, giving the lie to the claim it’s want they want).

And if SD are willing to hand over such a crucial aspect of the game so quickly to Destiny, how soon before Nexon want, and SD give them, “creative control” for the rest of the world?

[Ruben0s]

[QUOTE=Kendle;473589]Have to say this is all rather strange.

SD stated they intended to retain creative control of the game, but then handed over that creative control before we even get to beta to the company that are going to distribute the game to a huge chunk of the planet. Aside from how this impacts the ability to play across regions it all smacks of desperation on SD’s part. Is there really no other distributor in Russia / CIS that would’ve done the job without tweaking the game to their own liking? (not to mention how this forum is full of Russian / CIS players who don’t agree with these changes, giving the lie to the claim it’s want they want).

And if SD are willing to hand over such a crucial aspect of the game so quickly to Destiny, how soon before Nexon want, and SD give them, “creative control” for the rest of the world?[/QUOTE]

Exactly this. And how does Destiny know what the Russian players want? Did they even release a FPS game? From looking at their website they only published browser games.

Well… whatever. Don’t like the game anyways. Maybe the Destiny version will suit me better ;D

[Dragonji]

The problem is, the game’s audience is going to be the same no matter where in the world that audience is. This whole “X knows about their audience better than us” really sounds like it’s just politics-speak for “We struggled with finding inexpensive ways to deploy the game so we had to sell off our IP to cut the price back” if I’m honest.

100% true. BTW, how can some DD know better if they have never done any FPS game? :rolleyes:

This seems to move in the wrong direction. What’s next? No home hosted dedicated servers and CIS banned from west version? :eek:

[ailmanki]

Destiny’s team came to our offices about a month ago and presented the case for making the game more accessible to the Russian/CIS audience by adjusting the weapon and movement handling. We do not know that market, which is why we are working with Destiny in Russia, so we have to trust their opinion on this. We’ve agreed to let them make these changes, as their support gives the game the best chance of success in the region.

You guys realize you shot yourself in the legs? A deep fleshwound?

Well this is really disappointing, after all the wishes we had during this alpha - so little got tested and tried. But yeah let Destiny do their thing, I mean they are a publisher! Not some pesky players!

[Glottis-3D]

[QUOTE=ailmanki;473660]You guys realize you shot yourself in the legs? A deep fleshwound?

Well this is really disappointing, after all the wishes we had during this alpha - so little got tested and tried. But yeah let Destiny do their thing, I mean they are a publisher! Not some pesky players![/QUOTE]
It seems to me, what they (DD) basicaly do is they move towards Counter Strike. It is popular in CIS. But Extraction aint no CS and never will be even with a Bomb/ Search and destroy mod. The only players that actually GIVE a DAMN about your game in CIS and that were realy going to play your game, dear SD, are ex et/etqw players. Mb some BF players (they will prbbly switch back to bf when bf4 comes out). Why you try to please those, who will drop in 1 month after realese?

[Protekt1]

I’m not concerned about SD having control, any halfwit of a lawyer would ensure their contract with Nexon would ensure that happens. But this destiny company is very concerning. You’re basically screwing up brand recognition and people who don’t know about extraction are gonna google dirty bomb, go to some russian website and wonder wtf is going on. You should have made them use a completely different name like “Hacktraction”.

[BAMFana]

I’m honestly a bit stumped at this. Up until now I’ve been really excited at the prospect of Extraction in esports, but now it seems rather hopeless.

Destiny will be supporting Dirty Bomb as a competitive game within their operational region, and Nexon will do the same for Extraction in EU/North America/Australia/NZ. We’ll be working with Nexon and Destiny to investigate how to make cross region competition possible post-launch.

If everyone isn’t playing the exact same game, it is literally impossible to do this without turning it into a parody of a competition. I understand you may have had good reasons for dealing with Destiny in the first place, and I assume you’re now stuck with contractual obligations, but this is really disappointing.

[Ruben0s]

So when the game gets released we will have frag movies / match movies all over the internet from two different games with different names / different balance, but who look the same… Nice. Let the confusion for the potential casual players begin.

Also like Seanza says. In my eyes it’s more politics. What makes CIS players different from the other parts of the globe?

[Kinjal]

It seems it is the end of discussion. I don’t really know what will happen on 01.10.2013 but it seems what all CIS player will be deported to the reservation named DD version. I want to thank everyone who draw attention to the problem by posting their opinion in this thread; I hope it will help us all in the future. But for now I think it’s the end, the game is sold to Browser game developer, and nothing can be done.

[Volcano]

It seems it is the end of discussion. I don’t really know what will happen on 01.10.2013 but it seems what all CIS player will be deported to the reservation named DD version. I want to thank everyone who draw attention to the problem by posting their opinion in this thread; I hope it will help us all in the future. But for now I think it’s the end, the game is sold to Browser game developer, and nothing can be done.

//youtu.be/P-X-NJUPK3s

:’(

[Finko]

It seems it is the end of discussion. I don’t really know what will happen on 01.10.2013 but it seems what all CIS player will be deported to the reservation named DD version. I want to thank everyone who draw attention to the problem by posting their opinion in this thread; I hope it will help us all in the future. But for now I think it’s the end, the game is sold to Browser game developer, and nothing can be done.

I really pleased how community support us, and want to thank everyone too.

[montheponies]

[QUOTE=malarky;473566]Because of the differing publishing processes, QA cycles and platform requirements between Nexon and Destiny, sometimes we will ship feature updates in one region before another (e.g. the current Destiny build currently has a newer front-end menu layout than the current closed alpha).

This is kind of annoying for everyone, and a significant production challenge on our side (managing two builds, two separate QA processes etc), but it is our aim to bring all features to all regions as quickly as possible and with minimal lag.
[/QUOTE]

At the start of this I was under the impression that complete creative control was SDs and at that time Fireteam and Warchest would provide support and publishing respectively. As time is going on this is looking more like a standard developer / publisher arrangement, where the balance sits with the latter as they pay the bills. The idea of having two versions of the same game seems really really odd - how much easier would it be just to use the same core game and push that to the developers at the same time for all regions? Really not getting a warm fuzzy feeling about who holds control, creative or otherwise.

[Hundopercent]

[QUOTE=malarky;473566]…will we be able to compete between regions?
We’ve always wanted to support competition between regions that are hosting the game, but this is obviously going to be difficult with different balance values between Dirty Bomb and Extraction. Destiny will be supporting Dirty Bomb as a competitive game within their operational region, and Nexon will do the same for Extraction in EU/North America/Australia/NZ. We’ll be working with Nexon and Destiny to investigate how to make cross region competition possible post-launch.[/QUOTE]

Being straight forward and honest goes a lot farther than tip toeing around the facts. You know damn well, competition between 2 separate games is not going to happen. Russian/CIS players will have their CS version. Everyone else will have the CoD version. This is confusing, awkward, and downright sloppy decision making. DD came to your office, showed a power point presentation, and you give them rights to make core game mechanic changes to an audience they have never developed for. How easy will it be for Nexon to do the same?

Too bad id and nerve software turned vag and stopped making games for the soul reason to rage. This feels like it’s all about the $ now and **** everything else. -_-

[trickykungfu]

something new going on?

[Glottis-3D]

something new going on?

nope.
only one serious question left unanswered straightly. and that question is:

Will or will be not CIS players have the right to choose what version of Dirty Bomb/Extraction they want to play? Without using VPN.

[Kinjal]

something new going on?

From 24.09.2013 DD version is in a frozen state, servers are offline. DD forum is almost empty, on all questions from testers moderators answers are similar - no information about coming beta or anything else.

[trickykungfu]

nexxon taking over? XD