What's your favorite archetype ?

(Herandar) #141

So what? If they had an archetype called 'The Surfer", and he was white, had bleached blonde hair, a hemp necklace and boardshorts, and called everybody “Brah”, would that be racist?

A picture of a black man with gaudy gold necklaces isn’t racist. There is no judgement about the character inherent in a still image.

Racists make judgements about people based on their skin color. A racist would look at that picture and think, “Wow, that guy is dumb and can run faster than any of the other archetypes, because he’s black.”* Cultural stereotypes are not predicated on skin color.

*-Not using the same language, obviously.

(BioSnark) #142

All I said is that the archetype isn’t white. I agree with DAUK. American (and not just African American [no idea about other countries]) pop culture glorifies the black gangsta stereotype. I don’t know why, I don’t care why, and I don’t care that that stereotype manifests itself in Brink.

(Herandar) #143

First off, it’s ‘gangsta’ culture, not ‘black gangsta’. It’s popularity stems from the popularity of gangsta rap.

Gangsta rap glorified being a gangsta. The Sopranos glorified being a Mafiosi. Both are elements of pop culture. The difference is that gangsta culture is much more familiar to the disenfranchised people living in the ghettos. Since the Resistance is comprised of precisely ‘disenfranchised people living in the ghettos’, it makes perfect sense that it is in Brink.

(DarkangelUK) #144

And the stereotype of gangsta rappers and ghetto thugs is primarily aimed at blacks. The same way the Scottish stereotype is primarily gingers in kilts.

(tokamak) #145

The archetype doesn’t have a specific skin tone.

(DarkangelUK) #146

That makes his statement still true :wink:

(BioSnark) #147

according to the first customization video released, (some of?) the archetype names also apply to bodily physical appearance.

It’s ‘gangsta’ culture with rap / hip-hop ambassadors.
These artists are hugely disproportionately black males. That is not a coincidence. The audience is primarily middle class white guys. Interesting, eh? It’s all hugely co-opted by the entertainment industry. But that’s another discussion.

(Herandar) #148

How does one aim a stereotype?

American ghettos demographically are and have been predominantly black, yes. Ergo, it makes sense that the displayed primary archetype is black. But that doesn’t mean that the stereotype excludes white people. Or Puerto Ricans.

And thanks to Trainspotting, I assume that all Scotsmen are heroin addicts. :wink:

[QUOTE=BioSnark;264594]It’s ‘gangsta’ culture with rap / hip-hop ambassadors.
These artists are hugely disproportionately black males. That is not a coincidence.[/QUOTE]

Yes, as it derived from gangsta rap and rap music originally came out of the American ghettos. And ghettos have a much higher proportion of black residents than suburbs.

What is your point? Do you still think the archetype is racist?

(H0RSE) #149

What is your point? Do you still think the archetype is racist?

The archetype is not racist. The same goes for a lot of things.

People, especially here in the states, are always so quick to play the race card - like if they point it out before anyone else, they are “safe” from being labeled a racist…

If anything, I would say it is stereotypical, not racist. And stereotypes are typically based around some sort of facts or observations - they aren’t just made up.

Besides, racism isn’t really the point here, offensiveness is.

(DarkangelUK) #150

[QUOTE=Herandar;264598]How does one aim a stereotype?

American ghettos demographically are and have been predominantly black, yes. Ergo, it makes sense that the displayed primary archetype is black. But that doesn’t meant that the stereotype excludes white people. Or Puerto Ricans.

And thanks to [u]Trainspotting[/i], I assume that all Scotsmen are heroin addicts. :wink:

Yes, as it derived from gangsta rap and rap music originally came out of the American ghettos. And ghettos have a much higher proportion of black residents than suburbs.

What is your point? Do you still think the archetype is racist?[/QUOTE]

Well done, you just explained exactly what a stereotype is. And since when did me or BioSnark claim it as racist? We’re the ones that said it was a stereotype in the 1st place :confused:

(Herandar) #151

My last sentences were directed at Biosnark, DA. You and I are copacetic, as long as you realize that the heroin bit was a joke. I’m not sure what BioSnark was/is arguing. I just know that he doesn’t seem to want “The G” in Brink:

…Or I’m reading his posts entirely wrong. I’m reading that as saying “I don’t like that black gangsta culture is in Brink.” If he’s really saying that he just doesn’t care, I’m wrong, and my bad. I assume it isn’t that, because why even write that sentence if you truly don’t care?

(II Captain K II) #152

[QUOTE=H0RSE;264600]The archetype is not racist. The same goes for a lot of things.

People, especially here in the states, are always so quick to play the race card - like if they point it out before anyone else, they are “safe” from being labeled a racist…

If anything, I would say it is stereotypical, not racist. And stereotypes are typically based around some sort of facts or observations - they aren’t just made up.

Besides, racism isn’t really the point here, offensiveness is.[/QUOTE]

Fine I revoke my comment about it being racist. It is a derogatory stereotype. And many people in the states (whites that is) insist that stereotypes can’t be offensive and damaging because they have never had the experience of being put in a box by pop culture.

(MatthiasK75) #153

while on the topic of colors of things on a video game that can be changed, whys the bug’s mask gotta be green? huh? he not like purple? or what about blue? the smurfs could be offended! his mask is racist! I DEMAND HE CHANGE IT!

come on its just a game, and the race can be changed, so who really cares

(II Captain K II) #154

This is also total bull. In america the stereotype of black g’s is usually for white people to get a guffaw at the expense of others.

(DarkangelUK) #155

@Herander

Don’t worry I got the joke :stuck_out_tongue:

How is it derogatory? They’re plastered all over the media and choose to fit that stereotype at will freely. They defined themselves this way, and are probably not even bothered about it.

(Ajax's Spear) #156

It can be any color. Archetypes aren’t bound by skin color choices. How are people not aware of these things yet?

(II Captain K II) #157

[QUOTE=DarkangelUK;264616]@Herander

Don’t worry I got the joke :stuck_out_tongue:

How is it derogatory? They’re plastered all over the media and choose to fit that stereotype at will freely. They defined themselves this way, and are probably not even bothered about it.[/QUOTE]

Such arrogance can only come from someone who has no experience with such an environment. If you had, you would know that the common mocking images of the street culture are caricature. Most people that you would consider a part of that culture don’t act that way.

(DarkangelUK) #158

That’s exactly what a stereotype is!! Do you think all Scotsmen are ginger and wear kilts? Sheesh

(Herandar) #159

And there’s something to do with sheep too… :smiley:

(Herandar) #160

What do you find mocking about the archetype image? The shirt or the bling?