What makes a real super player

(ouroboro) #21

i didn’t say a config makes them a super player. actually, i find the very term “super player” gay and i didn’t start either of those threads. in fact i specifically said the opposite - when i said that a basic foundation of skill is required or scripting can’t help you - but if you HAVE that skill, scripting can and DOES take you that extra step. gg with throwing your voice to make it appear to come from my mouth…

also, it saddens me (but doesn’t surprise me) that you chose only that paragraph to comment on, when the rest of my post contained the irrefutable “meat” of the argument, which to summarize is: you people cannot accept that there are shortcuts in life and intelligent people make use of them - whatever the game may be. warfare, business, and enemy-territory all share this truth - as well as every other aspect of life, the only exception i can think of are monks who purposely make their own lives difficult in an attempt to please God. everyone else takes the easy path, and scripting in games is the means to that end.

now go ahead and find my most controversial statement to comment on again, while totally bypassing the things i was hoping someone would attempt to refute.

ggz all around.

(SCDS_reyalP) #22

Look at what you wrote in your previous posts. You have made a very strong implication that ‘tweaking’ or ‘scripting’ gives people a very large advantage, and that there were some ‘secret’ tweaks that would amaze us all as to how effective they are. If you don’t like the term ‘super player’ for that, fine with me, but don’t try to deny that was your basic claim.

also, it saddens me (but doesn’t surprise me) that you chose only that paragraph to comment on, when the rest of my post contained the irrefutable “meat” of the argument,

ROFL. If your essential point is that there are useful tweaks, no one in this thread has disputed that. What we have disputed is that there is some magic tweak that provides some huge advantage. You have yet to do anything to prove that unlikely claim. Indeed, you have refused to back it up at all, and have completely ignored evidence to the contrary. Is it any wonder that most of us take this as an indication that you are talking out your ass ?

(ouroboro) #23

lol. fine. your momma wears combat boots!

i’m gonna try really hard to avoid talking on forums anymore unless i have a specific question. otherwise it just gets all nasty and hostile. :frowning:

(Nail) #24

only when you troll in with ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF except your “observations”

(Kendle) #25

ouroboro, there’s no need for anything to get nasty. Seriously, watch WTV demos of the teams who played at QC2K3, using very, very, very strict cvars and configs, and then watch WTV demos of those same teams competing in online only matches using their “home” PCs, you won’t see much of a difference, if any.

As for the months you’ve spent researching stuff? So have I. I got into scripting big time when I started playing RTCW. Without wishing to sound too big headed I’m known in the UK scene as a scripting Guru. People come to me in IRC and PM me on forums who’ve I’ve never spoken to before asking me scripting questions, yet I don’t use ANY myself anymore (apart from “productivity” scripts like Class selection) for the very simple reason that PRACTISE makes you a better player than ANY script ever can.

I don’t say this out of ignorance, I say this as someone who knows RTCW / ET scripting / config tweaking inside out and has tried every trick in the book .

My config is here btw:-

http://www.etnation.co.uk/modules.php?name=Configs&op=showConfig&cid=1

This is absolutely the config I use for real, not some edited public version with the “secret” stuff taken out.

(SwordOfDamocles) #26

Well I may be taking this way out of context of your main point but if I am, it is due to your poor example cited above. There is no way i can see even a decent player would have such a ‘dangerous’ bind in their config. A really terrible bind.

(Lanz) #27

I know exactly what you can and what you can’t do with scripts, and nothing really helps your play. Silly things like centerview scripts, crouch scripts etc are for noobs that can’t aim or press more than two keys at the same time. Besides I doubt any servers allow centerview nowdays anyway. I say it again, everyone tweaks their configs to suit his or her play style, everything from mouse sens to adding class selection scripts or weapon binds etc, but what differences does that make to ones skill? Nothing.

So cough up what is so special or just admit that there are no mystical advanced scripts that no one knows about.

(SwordOfDamocles) #28

well said that man

(meLonF) #29

just out of interest, it might help if you can provide us with a better definition of what exactly consititutes a config tweaking ‘trick’ … i hve posted my config below and i would be interested to know if it contains any of the tweaks/tricks you hve referred to :slight_smile:

unbindall
bind TAB “+scores”
bind ESCAPE “togglemenu”
bind SPACE “+moveup”
bind , “mapzoomout”
bind - “+stats”

set demo_on “record; echo ^3DEMO ^5Start; set demo_tg vstr demo_of”
set demo_of “stoprecord; screenshotJPEG; echo ^3DEMO ^5Stop; set demo_tg vstr demo_on”
set demo_tg “vstr demo_on”
bind F12 “vstr demo_tg”

bind MOUSE2 “vstr crosssensitoggle”
set crosssensitoggle “vstr far”
set far "set crosssensitoggle vstr near;cg_fov 90;cg_drawcrosshair 4; cg_crosshairsize 31; cg_crosshairColorAlt “red”; sensitivity 1.80; cg_crosshairAlphaAlt “1"”
set near "set crosssensitoggle vstr far;cg_fov 100; cg_drawcrosshair 2;cg_crosshairsize 40;sensitivity 2.15;cg_crosshairAlphaAlt “1"”
set name ^ybUnG
bind j “vstr crosscolourtoggle”
set crosscolourtoggle “vstr crossgreen”
set crossgreen “set crosscolourtoggle vstr crosswhite; set cg_crosshairColor “green”; cg_crosshairColorAlt “red””
set crosswhite “set crosscolourtoggle vstr crossred; set cg_crosshairColor “white”; cg_crosshairColorAlt “red””
set crossred “set crosscolourtoggle vstr crossblue; set cg_crosshairColor “red”; cg_crosshairColorAlt “red””
set crossblue “set crosscolourtoggle vstr crossgreen; set cg_crosshairColor “cyan”; cg_crosshairColorAlt “red””

bind TAB “+scores”
bind ESCAPE “togglemenu”
bind SPACE “+moveup”
bind , “mapzoomout”
bind - “+stats”
bind 0 “weaponbank 10; cg_drawgun 1”
bind 1 “weaponbank 1; cg_drawgun 1”
bind 2 “weaponbank 2; cg_drawgun 1”
bind 3 “weaponbank 2; weaponbank 3; cg_drawgun 0”
bind 4 “weaponbank 4; cg_drawgun 1”
bind 5 “weaponbank 5; cg_drawgun 1”
bind 6 “weaponbank 6; cg_drawgun 1”
bind 7 “weaponbank 7; cg_drawgun 1”
bind 8 “weaponbank 8; cg_drawgun 1”
bind 9 “weaponbank 9; cg_drawgun 1”
bind = “+topshots”
bind CAPSLOCK “weaponbank 1; cg_drawgun 1”
seta m_side “0.25”
seta m_pitch “0.016”
bind a “+moveleft”
bind b “+zoom”
bind c “weapalt”
bind d “+moveright”
bind e “+leanright”
bind f “+activate”
bind g “+mapexpand”
bind l “openlimbomenu”
bind m “mvactivate”
bind p “vid_restart”
bind q “+leanleft”
bind r “+reload”
bind s “+back”
bind t “messagemode”
bind u “messagemode3”
bind v “mp_quickmessage”
bind w “+forward”
bind x “+prone”
bind y “messagemode2”
bind ~ “toggleconsole”
bind ALT “kill”
bind CTRL “+movedown”
bind SHIFT “+sprint”
bind F1 “vote yes”
bind F2 “vote no”
bind F3 “ready”
bind F4 “notready”
bind F11 “autoscreenshot”

bind MOUSE1 “+attack”
bind MOUSE3 “weaponbank 2; weaponbank 3; cg_drawgun 0”
bind MOUSE4 “weaponbank 5; cg_drawgun 1”
bind MOUSE5 “weaponbank 6; cg_drawgun 1”
bind MWHEELDOWN “weaponbank 2; cg_drawgun 1”
bind MWHEELUP “weaponbank 4; cg_drawgun 1”

bind k “vstr name_switch”
set name_switch “vstr name1”
set name1 “exec name1; set name_switch vstr name2”
set name2 “exec name2; set name_switch vstr name3”
set name3 “exec name3; set name_switch vstr name4”
set name4 “exec name4; set name_switch vstr name1”

echo ^1loaded binds
bind . “mapzoomin”
bind 0 “weaponbank 10; cg_drawgun 1”
bind 1 “weaponbank 1; cg_drawgun 1”
bind 2 “weaponbank 2; cg_drawgun 1”
bind 3 “weaponbank 2; weaponbank 3; cg_drawgun 0”
bind 4 “weaponbank 4; cg_drawgun 1”
bind 5 “weaponbank 5; cg_drawgun 1”
bind 6 “weaponbank 6; cg_drawgun 1”
bind 7 “weaponbank 7; cg_drawgun 1”
bind 8 “weaponbank 8; cg_drawgun 1”
bind 9 “weaponbank 9; cg_drawgun 1”
bind = “+topshots”

bind ] “vstr crosssensitoggle”
bind ` “toggleconsole”
bind a “+moveleft”
bind b “+zoom”
bind c “weapalt”
bind d “+moveright”
bind e “+leanright”
bind f “+activate”
bind g “+mapexpand”
bind j “vstr crosscolourtoggle”
bind k “vstr name_switch”
bind l “openlimbomenu”
bind m “mvactivate”
bind p “vid_restart”
bind q “+leanleft”
bind r “+reload”
bind s “+back”
bind t “messagemode”
bind u “messagemode3”
bind v “mp_quickmessage”
bind w “+forward”
bind x “+prone”
bind y “messagemode2”
bind ~ “toggleconsole”
bind CAPSLOCK “weaponbank 1; cg_drawgun 1”
bind UPARROW “vstr quick_pick”
bind DOWNARROW “vstr br_medic”
bind LEFTARROW “vstr br_eng”
bind RIGHTARROW “vstr br_fldops”
bind ALT “kill”
bind CTRL “+movedown”
bind SHIFT “+sprint”
bind INS “vstr set_team_r”
bind DEL “vstr say_spawn”
bind PGDN “vstr spawnswitch”
bind PGUP “vstr set_team_s”
bind HOME “vstr set_team_b”
bind END “vstr spawncycle”
bind F1 “vote yes”
bind F2 “vote no”
bind F3 “ready”
bind F4 “notready”
bind F7 “vstr say_class”
bind F8 “vstr br_covert”
bind F9 “vstr br_soldier”
bind F11 “autoscreenshot”
bind F12 “vstr demo_tg”
bind KP_LEFTARROW “selectbuddy 3”
bind KP_5 “selectbuddy 4”
bind KP_RIGHTARROW “selectbuddy 5”
bind KP_END “selectbuddy 0”
bind KP_DOWNARROW “selectbuddy 1”
bind KP_PGDN “selectbuddy 2”
bind KP_ENTER “mp_fireteamadmin”
bind KP_INS “selectbuddy -2”
bind KP_DEL “selectbuddy -1”
bind MOUSE1 “+attack”
bind MOUSE2 “vstr crosssensitoggle”
bind MOUSE3 “weaponbank 2; weaponbank 3; cg_drawgun 0”
bind MOUSE4 “weaponbank 5; cg_drawgun 1”
bind MOUSE5 “weaponbank 6; cg_drawgun 1”
bind MWHEELDOWN “weaponbank 2; cg_drawgun 1”
bind MWHEELUP “weaponbank 4; cg_drawgun 1”
seta b_optimizePrediction “1”
seta b_weapaltReloads “1”
seta b_drawRewards “1”
seta b_drawPromotions “1”
seta r_nocull “0”
seta r_allowsoftwaregl “0”
seta r_clear “0”
seta r_drawfoliage “1”
seta r_uiFullScreen “1”
seta b_demo_autotimescaleweapons “0”
seta b_demo_autotimescale “1”
seta b_antiwarp “1”
seta b_draw_promotions “1”
seta b_draw_rewards “1”
seta b_backupcvars “1”
seta b_demo_dynamitecam “0”
seta b_demo_grenadecam “0”
seta b_demo_mortarcam “0”
seta b_demo_panzercam “0”
seta pb_system “1”
seta r_vertexlighting “0”
seta mapoverbright “4”
seta intesity “2”
seta r_dipslayrefresh “75”

(mendicant) #30

omg a fov toggle,haxxxxxxxxxxxx!!! :fiesta:

(Lanz) #31

[quote=“Akilae”]

Ok ok, now i’m really curious what you sexies are talking about, what are those magic scripts and what are those lame scripts, are you sexies even reffering to the same thing?[/quote]

Tbh I don’t know what ouroboro is talking about, so I just reffered to one of those lame scripts that center your view and locks the mouse vertically thus if you’re on the same level as the enemy you hit him in the head. But that also means that if you use shit like that you would aim in the stomach if he was slightly above you. Nowdays, no server of any quality would allow you to set either m_yaw or m_pitch to 0 anyway.

(mendicant) #32

btw what does:-
_nocull _allowsoftwargl _clear and _optimzeprediction do?

and is _antiwarp diff to _antilag?

if so should i have it on?(assumin it isnt already “1” at default)

(meLonF) #33

b_optimizePrediction-- something bani added to improve fps
r_nocull – If enabled all object will be rendered, even when out of view. so turning it off helps performance
antiwarp removes some exploit were you could lag over mines or something

dunno about the others but there is loads of info about most cvars here:
http://www.configarmory.nl/armory/index.html

(SCDS_reyalP) #34

Well, I don’t know about ‘tricks’ but heres some comments :stuck_out_tongue:
seta b_antiwarp “1” - is a server settting, pointless to set on a client
seta r_nocull “0” - is cheat protected, and 0 is the default
seta r_allowsoftwaregl “0” - is pointless, and 0 is the default
seta r_clear “0” - is cheat protected, and 0 is the default
seta r_drawfoliage “1” - is cheat protected, must be forced by an etpro server to change
seta r_uiFullScreen “1” - doesn’t do anything interesting in ET
seta r_vertexlighting “0” - doesn’t exist in ET
seta mapoverbright “4” - clamped to 3 by the engine
seta intesity “2” - doesn’t exist, try r_intensity

(KATTman) #35

kendal THANKS to you ya’ve given my game a good performance dude! :drink: but i still wanna tweak it a lil better, any suggestions? i used these bits out of yer zip file :slight_smile:

but i noticed greenery is still seems to be on hi-res, is there away of turning the resolution down abit if it helps too?

and could i use this script on RTCW/RTCW online to boost it too?

thanks

my config
seta cl_maxpackets “63”
seta cl_packetdup “0”
seta cl_timenudge “0”
seta rate “25000”
seta snaps “20”
seta net_noipx “1”
seta net_noudp “0”
seta cg_drawSmallPopupIcons “1”
seta com_hunkmegs “192”
seta com_soundmegs “128”
seta com_zonemegs “128”
seta cg_atmosphericeffects “0”
seta cg_shadows “0”
seta r_fastsky “1”
seta r_lodbias “2”
seta r_lodCurveError “50”
seta r_picmip “3”
seta r_subdivisions “999”
seta s_mixahead “0.22”
seta s_mixPreStep “0.09”
seta s_doppler “0”

(Kendle) #36

You could try adding r_texturebits 16 and r_colorbits 16. I use 32 bit textures simply because it looks better and there’s really not a lot of performance gain from using 16 (though there is some I beilieve if you really wanna squeeze every onuce of performance out of your system).

You could also try r_gamma 3 (I use 2) but that’s another personal preference thing IMO, as well as being somewhat hardware dependent. r_gamma 3 would burn my eyes out on my monitor but I know some people who go that high. :wink:

(chr0nicles) #37

I play with the default config, ofcourse making use of various ETPro settings and i can safely say i’m a good player (feel free to challenge me, to prove me wrong though) NOT YOU ^md/Christa :banghead: :stuck_out_tongue:

(next_ghost) #38

Response to the first posts:
I love those guys who say “woohoo 50/5” and call me n00b because I have 10/50. But I’m ussually the one who completes objectives and gib enemies on strategic positions by one precise riflenade instead of trying to kill everyone in sight, especially if they can’t see me and won’t for a long time.

I think I’ll bind “say 0H u’r s0 k3wl 0wnz0r, c4n 1 h4v3 ur ph0n3?” and send it to those 50/5 guys who always have lvl4 LW, lvl4 BS and lvl1 FA :smiley:

Edit: I have default config except a few trickjump settings and say binds. BTW, pmove_fixed still works on ETPro.

(KATTman) #39

seriously on the server im usually on we got a few like that lol i got ‘internet insulted’ because my kill ratio and xp were like low? he goes dude ur a noob look at ur xp level, im like errr…

dude… first im a medic so my kill ratio (im not a mad medic) would be low AND as i only JUST logged in like 3mins ago :disgust:

then when i killed him later i do the ‘well well well look at the low xp person killed you’ lol

(Sauron|EFG) #40

Yeah, but it’s pretty useless on servers with b_fixedphysics 1/b_fixedphysicsfps 125.