The Truth about Cheating in ET

(Kendle) #161

I’ll have a look at the demo as soon as I can (which might not be that soon), but in the meantime I’ve PM’ed DG about this as he’ll, presumably, have access to server logs as well that might be of use.

(DG) #162

looks fairly convincing around the railgun, cant access logs right now tho.

(blushing_bride) #163

cheats seem to be on the up recently. ive been playing ET since it came out and never saw a cheater until the last couple of months. Recently barely a week goes by without playing on a server and seeing a real obvoius aim bot. Quite of few of them have even admitted yet still wont leave the server until they’ve nearly emptied it. Some people just have very pointless lives.

(EvilBaga) #164

For the first 3 minutes I wasnt sure, but yup thats definitely a cheater. So much for the pages and pages of rhetoric about cheaters being rare…

(MadMattUK) #165

I am 99% sure. I reckon he’s using one of those bots that only work when you have a key pressed. That’s why he misses a few every now and then, thus lowering his
accuracy and making it seem less liking he’s botting.

Mind you, I demoed myself a long while back with a bot that was so smooth & subtle in its ability to lock onto a headshot, if you had watched the playback you would have said I was innocent
of any botting…thankfully that one’s long gone. But maybe there is a newer, more advanced version out right this minute :frowning:

(Sauron|EFG) #166

How does a single demo change anything? Everyone have different opinions on how frequent cheating is (as well as the definition of ‘rare’), but there’s no way telling for sure.

(ouroboro) #167

didn’t even have to finish it. i’m 200% sure. i know for an absolute fact that’s an aimbot. if that’s not an aimbot, it’s an AI bot that’s so intellingent it can reply to specific questions in chat just like a human. :slight_smile:

there’s a server, undoubtedly the world’s lamest ET server, which is running shrub and specifically tells you to use cheats in the MOTD, as well as spamming it with banners “we recommend you use cheats or you will get your ass handed to you”, etc. i consider that a perfectly fine place to test how cheats work in a real gaming environment, which is more telling than trying them alone with a friend or two (and that’s the only place i go to try them, BTW. even other non-PB servers have innocent/ignorant players who don’t deserve to get raged by an aimbot. this place TELLS you to cheat).

go ahead, download any old aimbot you want and try it on that server (you should be able to find it without me giving them a plug). record demos of yourself, then go back and watch them. watch how an aimbot moves. then go spec your favorite clan on ETTV and make a demo. follow the absolute god of aiming, pick anyone you like. now replay those demos. watch 'em at half speed. analyze them, pick them apart one frame at a time.

what you will find is, no matter HOW GOOD a person can aim, NOBODY can or does move/whip/snap/lock on like an aimbot.

do whatever you like - if you come away from your little experiment with any doubt that “KillingTime” is botting, you have seriously flawed observational skills, and probably shouldn’t be playing video games.

if you’re certain this server was up-to-date and run by active admins, i’d have to guess that player is a better programmer than player. i can show you places where you can buy personalized, undetectable multihacks (but i won’t).

this stuff is real, kids.

(DG) #168

this is 2nd ban for cheating in at least 3 months on a pretty busy server (AFAIK).

TEH CHEAT0RS ARE COMING! TEH CHEAT0RS ARE COMING! OH NOES!!!11 :wink:

(TFate) #169

Judging by the demo I’d say that was not a good player at all (ignoring the aimbot). Anything about being in a top German clan is BS.

I did notice an increase in aimbotters during the time that ETPro 3.1.0 was out, but with the new betas coming out I haven’t been seeing them recently.

However I’ve never run into anything other than an aimbot playing ET, at least to my knowledge. wonders about hacks that rewrite memory MIB style… That would explain a lot… :smiley:

(Lanz) #170

lol

HE’S PWNING ME WITH TEH SPEEDHACK SCRIPTORZ!!!11111

(DG) #171

[12.15.2004 00:14:29] New Connection (slot #24) 82.155.12.192:10243 ^1Killing^3Time
[12.15.2004 00:14:29] Player GUID Computed 0240e96fe8e370940ac2d4b644a488f2(-) (slot #24) 82.155.12.192:10243 ^1Killing^3Time
[12.15.2004 00:14:35] [From #24 88f2(VALID:366) ^1Killing^3Time] My gl F:\WINDOWS\system32\OPENGL32.dll size=713728 md5=F78A67E88F98D4CC871E6F3068343F00

(Kendle) #172

Have to say, I’ve not contributed to this thread for a while, mainly because I’m becoming jaded by the whole thing, although not the cheating but more the continued perception of cheating.

If you want to enjoy as near as possible a cheat free ET experience then do the following:-

  1. Only play on ETPro servers. If you insist on playing on Shrub / etmain you’re on your own.

  2. Only play on Stopwatch servers. On the basis that cheats also care about their XP, and therefore usually only plague Campaign servers, sticking to Stopwatch will probably help avoid them.

  3. Join a Clan and play Clan matches only. Although some ET players have been caught cheating in Clan matches, it’s extremely rare, simply because the risks are greater. A Clan match has fewer players, probably all of whom record demos, with possibly an Admin or Ref present and for anyone caught the least they can expect is an IP ban, being kicked from their Clan, forfeiting money they may have paid towards their Clan’s server, and of course the undying wrath of the Clan community.

If you’re too stupid to follow sensible precautions, or too paranoid to enjoy the game because you think everyone better than you is using some “super-secret-mystical-cheat” then (please) do yourself and everyone else a favour and go play some other game.

(DG) #173

thats soooo going to be taken the wrong way :stuck_out_tongue:

(Kendle) #174

Heh, that was the polite version, shouldn’t seen it before I edited!

(BondyBoy007) #175

a blatent cheater was having fun on the bio server the other day; it was thursday or wednesday morning (I’m so confused when I have a week off) at around 4-5am when this guy was owning everyone with his sten.

everyone was calling him cheater with a few ppl were speccing him, he was callvote kicked and came straight back, admitted that he was using hacks and said “what do you expect? its ET after all. . .”. He kept playing, being kicked every so often and only gave up tormententing the server when he was kicked before he even joined a team

so it seems SW servers are a target for some cheaters

(Kendle) #176

Just edited my post for effect. :drink:

(ouroboro) #177

have to say the stopwatch part is nonsense, as the most sophisticated and motivated cheaters are doing it in order to beat clans and/or get picked up by a clan.

otherwise, i agree. i use ASE and my filters are

etpro, sw, pb on, ff on (among other filters, but those are what matter most)

then i visit each server and check it’s cvar restrictions, if there are none, i move along. if there are league-ish restrictions, i add it to my favorites.

the best advice i can give, however, is to do like i suggested and actually TRY some cheats (only on blatant cheat servers and/or your own private passworded server. no need to harm innocent newbies) so that you actually know how to spot them. there is nothing inherently wrong or immoral about testing cheats, that’s Detective School 101 - know your enemy. in fact i dare say if you HAVN’T tested some hacks firsthand, you really have no business commenting on them at all, because you are uneducated on the topic. once you know how an aimbot actually looks in action, you can more easily detect them when facing one. then if you feel the need to pop in spec for a moment, fine. it should only take a minute to determine whether it’s a bot or not, then you can relax and get back in the game.

(BondyBoy007) #178

chill m8 I wasn’t correcting you, was just sharing my experience and displaying that in the cheating circles it seems that ET is considered a bit of a joke (was to him at least)

(Kendle) #179

You could be right, having never cheated or even been tempted to cheat I can only speculate as to what makes people do it. My assumption was that if they cheat to make themselves look better than they are, then racking up a high XP score would be one way of displaying their “prowess” to others. Anyone that uses a hack to get into a Clan is on a hiding to nothing, they’d soon be spotted when they played their first scrim and be out the door without their feet touching the ground.

No worries m8, wasn’t having a dig either (hence the :drink: ), but it’s a shame if ET is viewed that way cos that’s just not my experience of it.

The BiO server is a perfect example of how cheating (doesn’t) effect me. I don’t play on BiO personally, but not because I can’t stand the cheats, it’s the med-whores on there who keep me away. If anything it’s the Med-whores, XP-whores, rambos, etc. that “ruin” the game for me, far, far, far more than cheating ever has or ever will.

(no_shad) #180

In my long and illustrious et career :stuck_out_tongue: I can count the number of cheaters I’ve seen on one hand, hardly something I consider when joining a server. Now on the other hand i’ve been playing cs:s a bit lately…I’m already out of fingers and toes. :frowning:

I agree, IMO the medic is by far the worst problem with et.