The Truth about Cheating in ET

[pgh]

Exactly what Fusen and Nephy said.

affirmative fusen! a good game is worth having your own box and CD key to!

Note, A good game. 90% of hacked/cracked games will not work on online play. I merely use what I download as a full demo. If I download an album and I like it then of course im going to go buy it. Think about those who cant afford these overpriced games in the first place? I for one aint buying aint games soon as I struggle on 30 quid a month from a college bursary. That wouldnt even buy me any Top 10/15 game on any console/system from a high street store. Instead im more than happy to pay for a fast BB connection, play what I want when I want and then if I like it ill buy it when I can. Back to topic basically, if I went out and bought a game and for example, for any reason, be it bad performance on my system… could just be a buggy as fuck game… might have only taken me less than few hours to play through etc… then its a bit of waste when you could simply buy a game you know will be good.

i suggest that if you take theft, especially from people as cool as game developers, so flippantly, that you might want to try the same tact at a department store. when you are being cuffed and calling your parents all teary-eyed to be bailed out of jail, you can just tell the police officer to get off their high horse, it was only a game/music CD. why should you have to pay for it, everybody else steals? i’m sure the nice officer will agree with you…

a/ Only if you get caught?
b/ Read up on the scene or subject please, youll find that most of these suppliers for these games, cds, movies etc your making a big deal about us “stealing” are actually provided by these same people were stealing from.

DON’T STEAL. pony up the dough or go without. that’s the reason people strive to aquire money - so they can get cool stuff

Your just using your own opinions and presumtions and preaching them off. Usually, I have found, people aquire money to live first cool second…

if you choose computers as your pastime

I much prefer heated discussions with OTT opinionated peeps who get wound up easy. Computers just happen to help…

… should warn you tho, I didnt pay for the OS im using and that means your being cheated… better /disconnect and log out of the forum.

[Nail]

oh, so it’s ok to download mp3’s (btw, I have none, don’t listen to music) and rip off the artists, but download a game and you’re scum, I don’t see the difference. And has been said before, MOST online games don’t run hacked games. I only play games I own, including SP games, how bout you?

[funkPig]

Please (this is one of my pet peeves) be VERY careful with your terminology; no matter how you feel about copyright infringement, it IS NOT theft.

[ouroboro]

wow. just… wow. you people make me sick. the reason i seem to be preaching from a high horse is that i made it my business long ago to lead a morally guided, law abiding life. i have earned the right to preach to thieves and other vile scum, because i am morally superior to them

there. that should rile up the flames. i’m done with the discussion as i’ve made my stance quite clear, but i will continue to read the comments made by the slime so i can file them away in my mind as having irrelevant opinions for future reference. carry on…

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actually, this whole debate was just that - a debate. i’m running on a stolen OS right now, and the only things i pay for are games that require a valid key for online play - everything else i have is warez. i just like to debate the polar opposite position to my own on forums sometimes, coz i love to debate i argued for Kerry on some Bush forums just for fun as well (i voted Bush twice, BTW), and let me tell you that was not easy, lol

so, how did i do as the fanatical anti-piracy representative? was i convincing? please critique my debate skills

[Sauron_EFG]

actually, this whole debate was just that - a debate. i’m running on a stolen OS right now, and the only things i pay for are games that require a valid key for online play - everything else i have is warez.

That means you’re the “f*cking scumbag”. :banghead:

/callvote kick ouroboro

[ouroboro]

[pgh]

Trolling tbh…

[Nail]

Yep, the absolute definition if trolling, which he has admitted to, go join Daz’s little group, you’ll double the membership. kbythnx

[ouroboro]

lol, i quite enjoyed it. and so did you, actually, or you wouldn’t have participated. lol. owned.

[Sauron_EFG]

Just don’t ever expect to be taken seriously again. :uhoh:

[Rain]

i voted Bush twice, BTW

So, you work for Diebold?

sorry, sorry…

[MadMattUK]

so, how did i do as the fanatical anti-piracy representative? was i convincing? please critique my debate skills

I dunno about your “skills”, but I find you about as welcome/usefull as a wet fart in a
spacesuit

/opinion over

[ouroboro]

hehe i think a wet fart might be comforting in the cold, lonely depths of space…

[voyager]

funny that out of 2500 servers i am lucky to find 2 playable ones most days."

Ditto. Usually I just go to migamer.com, if they have enough players. So hard to find good servers … so many admins have bad server configs … they draw away players that don’t know better, leaving good servers with fewer players

[voyager]

[quote=ouroboro]i voted Bush twice, BTW

So, you work for Diebold?

sorry, sorry…[/quote]

nah, he probably inserted a self-deleting trojan into the firmware that they flashed (3 times) onto the Diebold electronic voting machines … after they were certified

Me, I just play the Diebold slots:
http://www.cleanfunny.com/Humorous-People.php/presidential-elections-electronic-voting.html

[AtomAnt]

What’s with the dancing bananas?? lol

Voyager?? I want you babies!.. tahnk you very much for that post. It has opened my eyes and answered a few questions I had.

That wall cheat has been used on me at least once that I’m sure about. It is a shame that some players resort to cheats in order to win or get more xp. It’d be more fun for all if they didn’t.

[Depth_Charge]

make sure that he wasnt just leaning

[EvilBaga]

From an economic standpoint, Ive always been glad copyright infringement has been around, but perhaps it is getting out of hand these days.

Lets consider the reasons. If we lived in a world without copyright infringement, the people who make stuff would charge through the roof, and people would have to go without. Witness the games of yore, a Megadrive (genesis) game was about 1MB in size, it could be and probably was, programmed in a week or less. Was that worth 50 bucks new? No in my opinion.

We can talk about how we are cleaning out the recording industry of their profits and though we consider their profits to be excessive, it is still not right.

But this ignores the fact that there are 2 kinds of crimes committed. Legal and Illegal. The illegal is obvious, downloading mp3s etc without paying for them.

But what of the legal crimes?
Well, I dont think many people here are avid readers, but if you would read the book “Hitmen” by Dennen he explains how creative accounting on part of the record and movie industry makes millions of dollars for the industry while leaving 99% of performing artists penniless and forced to go on gruelling year long tours to make ends meet. Sure, the 1% successful artists we see on MTV and think its all ok.
Also the Record industry spends an estimated 100 Million USD a year on bribes to Radio stations to play their songs alone. But this is peanuts to the estimated 10 Billion USD return… 1%. Is this not also illegal? They will probably never be caught, especially with governments and presses being pawns for big businesses rather than the people and the ongoing and (ugh) getting worse dumbing down of world populations.

This applies even further in life blurring the line between legal and illegal by Nation states commiting terrorism, with complicity from worldwide press, as any student of serious (note I said serious, not necessary mainstream) politics would know.

Now economically speaking, copyright infrignment would provide a market force to er…force… artists and business’es to be competitive. Without it, we would all be in rather dire straits i.e “I have morals, give me an excuse to actually buy stuff!”. Of course there should be a price attached which would deter infringers, but I believe the system is too antiquated, applying prices way in excess of the crime (including penalty) on only a micro part of the population of infringers.

Ouroboro has a good point, but I think he carries it too far by not considering the counterpoints I sketched above. And lets not have talk of “cool developers” and all that. I agree some are cool, but that is really besides the point from a monetary standpoint.
At the same time Im distasteful of massive copying of everything.

Bottom Line: No amount of laws imo will change things as much as will the morals of the people and society. On a personal level, I buy stuff if I can afford it and if I get a lot of enjoyment out of it. I lean towards the infringers in action, but still buy quite a bit of my stuff, and the ratio of what I have bought to what I got free with rise in future as my income rises (hopefully).

P.S I know my post is a little disjointed…heck its a game forum for christs sake! not philosophical economics. :-\

[no_shad]

Wasn’t sure what to do with this,figured i’d post it here and people can do what they want with it, it shows (i tink) an aimbot in use on a pb enabled/etpro server, DG’s 6 map campaign to be precise.
I’d asked the player earlier which clan he played for and he replied ‘a top german clan :D’

ze proof

[Akilae]

I’m quite convinced, when the guy camps the railgun, his crosshair jumps from an enemy to another in a very unnatural manner, and obviously beyond his control.