Team auto-balance? huh, does it even exist??

(OwynTyler) #61

[quote=“sweetColumn;c-219782”]monsieur @Owyn
the stopwatch one also identical:
the rest of your team ran away leaving only 2 left in the team
conclusion: quitters ruins game balance

if your team quits, blame them, not the game.

the thing that differs this game with others is this game is hard

if you still think matchmaking is broken or shuffle is shite go take a look at paladin, overwatch, battlefield 1 matchmaking.
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You know why people quit? Mostly because they are tired of being stomped (from my expierience it’s the main reason for quitting)

How would blaming teammates help? …

and ofc “game is hard” when you are being stomped by overwhelming enemy forces. duh

not only our matchmaking is broken

Isn’t a good excuse, we could look at good examples instead - teambalance isn’t something theoretically impossible (I still remember old good CS 1.6 with teambalance plugins which got the work done)

(Dr_Plantboss) #62
(GatoCommodore) #63

@Owyn most people quit because they dont have the guts to stay AKA cowards

a little sociology, shaming and blaming is used by the society to encourage people who do things that are not ideal in society eye. e.g. women who slept with many men are humiliated with the word “slut” to encourage people to not do the same thing as her.
(shameful things nowadays people used dont hate/dont shame because they refused to fix themselves)

so, blaming quitters, will have an effect on the enemy team in the future if they want to quit.

also, the matchmaking will keep being broken as long as there are kids arent willing to learn.

(OwynTyler) #64

@sweetColumn

some more stomps:


as you see in 2nd one barely anyone significant left (tho I remember one guy leaving with “oh screw this, i’m outta here” - I suppose this was due to stomping)

blaming quitters

You know there are MANY of em, plus the guy above you just encouraged quitting - probably many others do the same.
And how would you do it anyway? Keep record who’s on server and who’s suddenly not?, Then add them after match to your friends and write him angry messages in PM? lol

(GatoCommodore) #65

[quote=“Owyn;c-219842”]@sweetColumn

some more stomps:


as you see in 2nd one barely anyone significant left (tho I remember one guy leaving with “oh @$!# this, i’m outta here” - I suppose this was due to stomping)

blaming quitters

You know there are MANY of em, plus the guy above you just encouraged quitting - probably many others do the same.
And how would you do it anyway? Keep record who’s on server and who’s suddenly not?, Then add them after match to your friends and write him angry messages in PM? lol[/quote]

i dont think the second one is a stomp, even the 1st one isnt if his teammate didnt quit half way.

hell, the second one dont have that many score gap from the winners

i know there are MANY cowards who quits and to blame the quitters in the match will affect the enemy team to see the aftermath of team quitting disaster. Nobody wants to do that to their own team.

(OwynTyler) #66

[quote=“sweetColumn;c-219844”]
i know there are MANY cowards who quits and to blame the quitters in the match will affect the enemy team to see the aftermath of team quitting disaster. Nobody wants to do that to their own team.[/quote]

On the other hand you just can’t really blame quitters cuz nobody likes getting stomped for nothing and playing in despair

I mean their game was ALREADY unbalanced even BEFORE they quit it, not much changes from their exit.

(SnakekillerX) #67

They quit without trying anything new. No new strategies, no working with your team.

Yes sometimes one team is better than another, but I’ve seen on many occasions where one team has a hard time taking one objective and it looks like there is no hope, but then they take that objective and continue to push on and even win the game.

Quitting early will just ensure that your team is going to lose.

(GatoCommodore) #68

@Owyn alos, blame and shaming works,

for example, now scrubs arent eager to play vasilli anymore if they arent very good with it.
instead they go with skyhammer, now i see a lot of skyhammer in the region i play because many of my friends agreed to shame the bad vasilli player from keep playing vasilli, and show them that other mercs are more useful on the current situation.

(Icecoal) #69

@sweetColumn this is just plain wrong, abusing people to play something else because they suck at it. Play pugs if you want serious matches , but leave people be in pubs. Also how do people expect even matches when teams are balanced in the lobby with a switch side, drop out drop in quickjoin system. SD is aware of balance issues thus they are testing and working on cmm. So for now we all just gotta wait anf deal with it.

(GatoCommodore) #70

@Icecoal its merely teaching them to use other mercs and not become a burden to the team.
how is that wrong? Sure, people can call that harsh but how do these newbies understand if not with the methods that are effective for centuries and still effective today?

(TheFluffyOne) #71

Oh, the ‘‘the end justifies the means’’ way of thinking.
I honestly doubt that shaming and blaming would actually work, considering that most people I met in-game are capable of ignoring other people.

I think people usually learn over time the capabilities of different mercs, and eventually understand how useless Vassili actually is, if you want to win.

(tominatorx) #72

[quote=“sweetColumn;c-219877”]@Icecoal its merely teaching them to use other mercs and not become a burden to the team.
how is that wrong? Sure, people can call that harsh but how do these newbies understand if not with the methods that are effective for centuries and still effective today?[/quote]

Still not the right way to tell them though… They have to figure it out themselves in the end. And yes some of them are stubborn and those people don’t listen to advice but will also not listen to your blaming and shaming.

Most likely they will ignore your shaming “methods” and continue playing as Vassili. Or they would (like I usually do with teammates that like to blame me for something) continue playing as Vassili just to irritate you a bit more.

It’s a pub match… Who cares if you win or lose. If you really want to play to win, there’s always pugs. People can do whatever they want in pubs imo. Sure you can do a suggestion when you see that your team has 3 Vassilis but blaming and shaming… that’s a bridge too far.

(OwynTyler) #73

Ok, you have a solution for bad vasiliis…

But you can’t shame someone who isn’t online (he left) duh! :smiley:

[quote=“SnakekillerX;c-219862”]They quit without trying anything new. No new strategies, no working with your team.
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I doubt people quit just after 1 death or something like that judging from my experience, usually a stage of despair and a strong desire to quit comes only after you tried everything and died miserably each attempt.

(GatoCommodore) #74

@Owyn
well, you can shame the future quitters in the enemy team like i already said earlier.
its not about stopping the player that already quit, its about making example of the quitters and made the enemy watch what happen if they abandon their team.

(GatoCommodore) #75

[quote=“tominatorx;c-219890”][quote=“sweetColumn;c-219877”]@Icecoal its merely teaching them to use other mercs and not become a burden to the team.
how is that wrong? Sure, people can call that harsh but how do these newbies understand if not with the methods that are effective for centuries and still effective today?[/quote]

Still not the right way to tell them though… They have to figure it out themselves in the end. And yes some of them are stubborn and those people don’t listen to advice but will also not listen to your blaming and shaming.

Most likely they will ignore your shaming “methods” and continue playing as Vassili. Or they would (like I usually do with teammates that like to blame me for something) continue playing as Vassili just to irritate you a bit more.

It’s a pub match… Who cares if you win or lose. If you really want to play to win, there’s always pugs. People can do whatever they want in pubs imo. Sure you can do a suggestion when you see that your team has 3 Vassilis but blaming and shaming… that’s a bridge too far.

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these people i mentioned as bad vasilli are under level 10 and still dont have a clue at playing the game at all.

unless you show them how helpful is a medic or a fire support they will keep playing vas and ended up leaving the game while saying “man this game is shit, i cant hit anything with the gun”

also, i dont do things like when there’s an actual kid, actually good at vasilli then i told him not to play vasilli, no i dont do that.

me and my friends used peer pressure to taught kids to learn how to play, and now in my region there are fruits of our labor that is very talented players at level 20+ because my friends pressure the players to try other mercs other than vasilli.

now i play with my crew beating kids then teaching them how to walk, when the community is bigger with more proficient players, then you can thank me later.

(tominatorx) #76

Yeah they are still under lvl 10… so what. The “man this game is @$!#, i cant hit anything with the gun” argument is quite bad imo. You really think that they wouldn’t try out another merc if they notice they don’t like Vassili. They would only want to play Vassili. That’s like saying… I don’t like a weapon in Battlefield, so now I’m not going to play the game anymore… No you would try another weapon, same goes for Dirty Bomb and its mercs.

2 things that don’t add up:

  1. Vassili is not a free merc from the start (unless he happens to be in the free rotation) so even the under lvl 10 players have played with other mercs. That means they would have experienced the other mercs as well (briefly yes but still they know if the merc is something for them or not).

  2. Do you really think that shaming those players will do good. You are only giving them more reason to quit… A poisonous community… that’s what people like in a game and will make them keep playing it… sure…

(StIwY) #77

I’m pretty new at game (30+hours reached), but yes, this game needs some matchmaking/balance algorithm asap.

Problems are players which join at mid match because of leavers (new players<5 lvl or veterans with lvl >60), and as you know, a veteran can lead his own team to a win or a spawn killing mess. So yes, this is a lack of game, which should not allow to mix veterans and new players together!. When i see my team 6/7/5/3/9/8 vs a team with 20/31/12/68/54 i already know this is going to be a mess.

It’s my fault if i’m forced to leave because of that ? I don’t get why i have to act like dead meat for 10 minutes…Getting stomped or spawnkilled it’s a BS so sorry, but i leave the match and search for another.

(Szakalot) #78

so much rage:

its obvious to anyone that playing for 15min+ min in one team, trying to win, being a good medic, covering each other and then being forced to switch cause some people on the other team rageqqed - is not okay

its also obvious to anyone that playing 4v6 or 3v7 for longer than 10-20 seconds - is not okay.

how do you fix it? incentives for players to switch: bonus credits, bonus xp, respawn queue for the bigger team: many ways exist to incentivize the players to equalize the player numbers themselves.

but if you want to play 7v3 and call that a win, nothing can help you

(GatoCommodore) #79

@tominatorx the thing is they get vasilli from 30k bonus credit, they just play aura then put down health station without shooting anything.

these kids came from games and youtube video showing “vasilli” “Boom, Headshot”

and no, whats giving them a more reason to quit is when they get sniped by enemies and they cant shoot back because they are shite at shooting in the first place then they spread false rumor about how many cheater in the game aimbotting him.

do you prefer peer pressure or the one i mentioned above?

(The_N00Ba) #80

Or people could create videos showing off the other mercs and class playing styles. :slight_smile: