Team auto-balance? huh, does it even exist??

(OwynTyler) #1

Team Shuffle actually requires the… enemy team to vote for it to work! like if it’s 4v4 you need 6 votes! (like stomping team ever votes for fair rebalance huh)

2v5? - yea, seems totally fine to me - the game
0,0,0,0 points guys vs 9999,9999,9999,9999 points guys - yea, seems totally fine to me - the game
0 rounds won vs 99 rounds won - yea, seems totally fine to me - the game

Well, I’ve seen some team auto-switching (I think) - those “i’m on YOUR team?!” taunts, but to get those switches it’d be a miracle anyway happening once a century for unknown nobody wanted reason.

  • Team change function? Why are ther TWO options when you are already on a team? (confusing AF) - and it only works if other team is only missing a member - otherwise it won’t let you change the team - people usually use it to get to the winning team anyway, teamchange function seems also “broken” considering all this

Please implement team auto-balancing without the need to vote (in a redicolous way)

(SnakekillerX) #2

If the game is 2 vs 5 its because your team left after the match had already started, or in the lobby after the game had already assigned teams.

This is not the game’s fault, you should blame the players who do this.
So many times people will join in mid match and expect that the game should have somehow predicted a bunch of random people joining mid and late match and somehow balanced it.

Stay in the lobby after a match ends and you’ll see that the teams get mixed up a bit to try and balance things. Simply leaving at the end of a match and joining another one mid game doesn’t help anything.

You act like no one wants a fair game, yet there are many cases were people will swap teams to help, or call votes for shuffles that DO pass. Sometimes they don’t pass, and a lot of cases its because the vote was called at a stupid time.

Didn’t repair the EV in the first 30 seconds? Better call a shuffle!
The enemy team repaired the EV in the first 30 seconds? Better call a shuffle!
The enemy team is about to win the match? Better call a shuffle!

This is often how I see the vote shuffle used, which is complete BS.
If you are having troubles completing or defending the first objective, then try a different approach, shuffling teams is not the solution. Have you tried a different merc? Have you tried actually working with your team? Have you tried a different path?

No, because you couldn’t have possibly tried that many things within 30 seconds.

If this doesn’t apply to you I’m sorry, but from your post you just come off as someone who is really whiny and ignorant about how the team balancing and shuffling even works.

Its far from a perfect system, but it is a lot less flawed than what people seem to believe.
Most of the problems are caused by their actions, or inaction.

Having the game auto-shuffle during the game would just be annoying. If I bust my ass to complete an objective then get forced to switch teams, what was even the point of my effort?

(LifeupOmega) #3

Yeah sure let us just forcibly move someone across teams when they may have just made a successful push and the other team were too fucking stupid to deal with it and realise they could make a hold later in the map. Great idea, really, that can’t go wrong or be abused through spectating at all.

It’s almost like we’ve had these threads before too, which explained perfectly why this is a garbage idea that only tends to somewhat work in high playercount per server games, and not 6v6.

Finally, blame your team mates for leaving.

(OwynTyler) #4

You can say the pretty same thing about cheating, swearing, racism, leaving and other unsportsman-like behavior which happens in the game EXCEPT gamedevs could moderate\fix\autobalance this and make game better like other games do cause there would always be non-nice players

(GatoCommodore) #5

You can say the pretty same thing about cheating, swearing, racism, leaving and other unsportsman-like behavior which happens in the game EXCEPT gamedevs could moderate\fix\autobalance this and make game better like other games do cause there would always be non-nice players[/quote]

always be doesnt mean everybody is…

(SnakekillerX) #6

Except that it wouldn’t make the game better. It would just make it pointless to try at all since you are just going to get swapped randomly when one team starts to lose.

(K1X455) #7

[quote=“SnakekillerX;c-218548”]…
Its far from a perfect system, but it is a lot less flawed than what people seem to believe.
Most of the problems are caused by their actions, or inaction.

Having the game auto-shuffle during the game would just be annoying. If I bust my ass to complete an objective then get forced to switch teams, what was even the point of my effort?[/quote]

I suggested team handicapping before but it went to deaf ears…

It went something like:[list][]If a team has 1 player advantage, their respawn clocks will be increased by 5 seconds[]If a team has 2 player advantage, they cannot use primary weapons[*]If a team has more than 2 player advantage, they can only use melee weapons[/list]

The team that doesn’t function cohesively will have a high chance of losing every match against a team that has cohesion.

(LifeupOmega) #8

Probably because that’s a terrible idea and just punishes people for the other team not being able to sit through a full game.

(royalFlag) #9

That happens so often that saying “blaah blaab blame your team” is sounding ridiculous. Major issue is that this beta has been out for so long that good players have become godlike against low levels and when low levels are getting stomped 24/7 (because unfair teambalance system) they leave the game.

Sad but true, unfairness is the superior issue why Dirty Bomb will never be a successful game.

(LifeupOmega) #10

Wow it’s almost like if SD pushed their ranked system better we wouldn’t have this endless public game massacre happening.

“unfair teambalance system” is literally one good player on the server destroys everyone else.

(TheFluffyOne) #11

[quote=“LifeupOmega;c-218589”]Wow it’s almost like if SD pushed their ranked system better we wouldn’t have this endless public game massacre happening.

“unfair teambalance system” is literally one good player on the server destroys everyone else.[/quote]

That sounds like a sweet game mode. One player with a special OP merc vs everyone else.

(OwynTyler) #12

[quote=“TheFluffyOne;c-218591”]
That sounds like a sweet game mode. One player with a special OP merc vs everyone else. [/quote]

You mean Rhino? :smiley:

  • No, I haven’t seen much shuffles called for nothing, cause in 95% of the time it was a hard stomping\spawn camping, 9999vs500 score etc, and from all times vote passed just once or twice, rest of times either one vote was missing (from enemy team ofc) or nobody voted (probably didn’t notice or didn’t know how to vote or I dunno why not then)

Yea, casualmatchmaking for everyone would be nice, but even then you would still meet leavers and stomping situations, it’s not a panacea

(GatoCommodore) #13

[quote=“royalFlag;c-218588”]That happens so often that saying “blaah blaab blame your team” is sounding ridiculous. Major issue is that this beta has been out for so long that good players have become godlike against low levels and when low levels are getting stomped 24/7 (because unfair teambalance system) they leave the game.

Sad but true, unfairness is the superior issue why Dirty Bomb will never be a successful game.[/quote]

go to every major online games forum out there

even Battlefield, Paladins, CSGO, warthunder, Overwatch and many more suffers from this disease people called bad teambalance

its just people playing like shïte really, people just want to stay in their safe-space and never fight a higher skilled players

if you want to play like Shïte forever go play Shïte game, in this game people who just joined get their teeth curbstomped like inAmerican History X , then they will have to learn to stand with a mouth full of blood after that.

TL;DR its not unfairness, this is just disease called shïte players who dont want to learn to play better

(LifeupOmega) #14

[quote=“TheFluffyOne;c-218591”][quote=“LifeupOmega;c-218589”]Wow it’s almost like if SD pushed their ranked system better we wouldn’t have this endless public game massacre happening.

“unfair teambalance system” is literally one good player on the server destroys everyone else.[/quote]

That sounds like a sweet game mode. One player with a special OP merc vs everyone else. [/quote]

Skybonezagger

  • Small Ammo Packs
  • Small Medic Packs
  • Mechanic Aug built in
  • ARs and SMGs

1v5 gamemode is unlocked once you reach Elite and you get matched against bronze/silver players and beat them all to death.

(GatoCommodore) #15

[quote=“LifeupOmega;c-218601”][quote=“TheFluffyOne;c-218591”][quote=“LifeupOmega;c-218589”]Wow it’s almost like if SD pushed their ranked system better we wouldn’t have this endless public game massacre happening.

“unfair teambalance system” is literally one good player on the server destroys everyone else.[/quote]

That sounds like a sweet game mode. One player with a special OP merc vs everyone else. [/quote]

Skybonezagger

  • Small Ammo Packs
  • Small Medic Packs
  • Mechanic Aug built in
  • ARs and SMGs

1v5 gamemode is unlocked once you reach Elite and you get matched against bronze/silver players and beat them all to death.[/quote]

nonono,
i want any weapon of your choice so i can do hochfir+m9 humiliating bad players to death

(hawkeyeguy99) #16

Casual Matchmaking won’t cure DB of assholes. You just gotta accept that there are going to be matches where not everything is perfectly balanced to your liking and get over yourself. There is no real cure for stupid teammates.

(OwynTyler) #17

Except for balancing their numbers between teams?

That’s the point of balancing - to make both teams equally strong by means of both strong and bad teammates number

(GatoCommodore) #18

there is one way…

(ImSploosh) #19

@SnakekillerX nailed it!

I can’t tell you how many times my team (often just me) completes the first objective quickly and then fails to get anywhere on the next objective.

The best example would be how I tend to deliver extremely fast on Dome. I’m talking 20 seconds and it’s done. It’s the best way to approach that first objective. I’m also generally the only one doing it while my team sits at the generators, defending the C4. 9/10 times this causes a shuffle vote or restart map vote and sadly, it passes sometimes.

The restart map vote is understandable because I get some people haven’t loaded in properly yet or the other team may have AFKs. However, shuffle vote is pointless because I’ll just do it again!

Anyways, sometimes it’s best to change your strategy rather than the teams. Even if it is unbalanced, you can beat the other team by utilizing certain mercs, quick rushes, etc… The shuffle vote might even make things worse sometimes so keep that in mind.

Auto-balancing in the middle of the match is pointless because as Snake said, what if you’re working your ass off on an objective and just because someone on the other team rage quit and it’s a 4v6 now, you’re switched to the losing team?

One more thing, just because your team fails the objective or you’re stomping the other team, doesn’t mean the match isn’t balanced. Sometimes the other team is just outplaying you. :wink:

(n-x) #20

I really have high hopes for cmm in that regard. That it will separate players who dont know you dont need a third vassili on Underground attacker side or 2 proxies on defense from those who realize another medic or firesupport is needed.

I really dont care losing with a team were everybody tries to play as a team and gets the basics right. But playing with only Phantoms and vassilis in a team and then hearing them whine over voice Comm…