Stop The "Hate" and Lets Even Things Out...

[sithhappens]

wow this thread reminds me of the energizer bunny it just keeps going & going & going

[Oschino1907]

[QUOTE=zenstar;373254]Aw son. Why’d you have to go and do that?
Do you know how to use google? Look up “false dichotomy”. It amazes me how some of the console players complain about “PC elitism” and then turn around and pull the same bull.
Not everyone who plays on a PC is against console players, just like not all console players are against the PC guys and gasp some of us own both a PC and a console.

As for derailment: I’m pretty sure your harsh reaction to the first 2 reply posts in this forum set the tone for the rest of it.

Srsly. You need to take a step back and chill. You’re only digging the hole you’re in deeper at this point.[/QUOTE]

Nice that you didnt bold the “their” part before “PC buddies”. By writing it that way I implied them and THEIR PC friends who don’t associate themselves with the ETQW Med Club. How else am I to describe them other then looking up everyones name and writing it. I in no way meant it as PC players in general. The fact that you are looking for a negative context in which to view it says a lot, thought you were one of the most reasonable people around but am quickly having my doubts.

[Verticae]

Nice that you didnt bold the “their” part before “PC buddies”. By writing it that way I implied them and THEIR PC friends who don’t associate themselves with the ETQW Med Club. How else am I to describe them other then looking up everyones name and writing it. I in no way meant it as PC players in general. The fact that you are looking for a negative context in which to view it says a lot, thought you were one of the most reasonable people around but am quickly having my doubts.

If that’s what it reads as, that’s what it’s going to be interpreted as. It’s pretty simple.

Next to that, some of those people I hardly know. How exactly are they my ‘buddies’?

[dazman76]

thought you were one of the most reasonable people around but am quickly having my doubts.

Zen IS one of the most reasonable people around, but reason does have it’s limits. You started the thread, you got a couple of good replies, you jumped on the posters. They clarified their position and asked for an explanation, you jumped on them again. People pointed out you were jumping on valid replies to the questions you asked, and you jumped on them too.

Basically, the only person who could have replied to your thread without being jumped on was actually you - in which case you could have saved everyone (yourself included) a fair bit of pointless posting by just having a word with yourself in the corner rather than starting what seemed to be a genuine and (mostly) neutral thread, and in fact turned out to be a fine example of how you can’t accept the slightest amount of criticism of Brink that you don’t agree with it. A fact that most of us already understood, if we’re honest.

*apologies for the stupidly long sentence there, couldn’t find the heart to break it with cold punctuation.

[tokamak]

I think it’s time to end this soap opera.

[Oschino1907]

[QUOTE=dazman76;373274]Zen IS one of the most reasonable people around, but reason does have it’s limits. You started the thread, you got a couple of good replies, you jumped on the posters. They clarified their position and asked for an explanation, you jumped on them again. People pointed out you were jumping on valid replies to the questions you asked, and you jumped on them too.

Basically, the only person who could have replied to your thread without being jumped on was actually you - in which case you could have saved everyone (yourself included) a fair bit of pointless posting by just having a word with yourself in the corner rather than starting what seemed to be a genuine and (mostly) neutral thread, and in fact turned out to be a fine example of how you can’t accept the slightest amount of criticism of Brink that you don’t agree with it. A fact that most of us already understood, if we’re honest.

*apologies for the stupidly long sentence there, couldn’t find the heart to break it with cold punctuation.[/QUOTE]

I think you need to re read the first page of this thread, it didn’t go down anywhere close to the way you describe it. The only way it comes off the way you say is if you are looking for it to and are trying to make it into something much much bigger then it really was. Actually read my previous posts all the way through and try to approach it without the preconceived notion that I am trying to bash or flame anyone as it wasnt my intent.

Everyone here is being ridiculous and just assuming they all knew the exact intentions and attitude I was conveying in my post (it may not be clear as day but def not solely one way or the other), like they all know me better then I do and saw me while I posted it while reading my mind?! Come on, this is the problem with this place, no one can even attempt to be genuine because people pile on and harass them trying to paint them out to be a P.O.S. before ever hearing them out to see if maybe things were taken out of context or blown out of proportion. No wonder interenet forums always tend to be giant crap heaps.

[Nexolate]

…no one can even attempt to be genuine because people pile on and harass them trying to paint them out to be a P.O.S. before ever hearing them out to see if maybe things were taken out of context or blown out of proportion.

To be fair, no one was ever like this with me when I first came on the forums.
Guess it’s all about how you present your points, or something? Iunno.

Regards,
Nexo

[zenstar]

Everyone here is being ridiculous and just assuming they all knew the exact intentions and attitude I was conveying in my post (it may not be clear as day but def not solely one way or the other), like they all know me better then I do and saw me while I posted it while reading my mind?! Come on, this is the problem with this place, no one can even attempt to be genuine because people pile on and harass them trying to paint them out to be a P.O.S. before ever hearing them out to see if maybe things were taken out of context or blown out of proportion. No wonder interenet forums always tend to be giant crap heaps.

Your first few replies (to Anubis and *goo) read like they are very antagonistic. You know these forums (like most of the internet) will look at anything posted and slowly pick it apart. If it didn’t read clearly then people will read it the wrong way and post as such. It does not help when you start getting more and more defensive and aggressive about things.
That just makes it look like you’re backtracking to cover yourself and in doing so you’re just stirring up more of the argument.

Learn to post less aggressively. Learn to say “whoops. I didn’t mean it that way” without going on to insult anyone else. Also throwing around stupid messages when giving people downrep? (Yeah. I’m guilty of this too… Sorry AnthonyDa. I was having a bad day) That only leads to stupid arguments where you come off looking like an ass (ask AnthonyDa. I was a complete tool that day).

Also stop with the whole “persecution complex” thing you have going on. To be 100% frank noone cares whether or not you like or dislike Brink or whether or not you play it daily, weekly, or haven’t ever had a game. You take way too many things personally and then you simply cause more fighting because you lash back in a personal way.
The ETQW Mediocre Club have absolutely nothing personal against you (well… they may now) and are simply trying to get their issues heard by SD while also wanting to engage in discussion with similar minded people (people who enjoy this style of game).

Finally: Stop rising to the bait. If you think someone is baiting you then maintain the highground. If someone calls you a moron then tell them you think that’s rude and if they cannot be civil the discussion is over. That way you don’t start any fights that tear on for three pages where you start insulting more and more people as you get more and more personal and more and more misunderstood.
Seriously. Sometimes you just have to say “Sorry. I think we’re talking about different things. I didn’t mean X, I actually meant Y and I didn’t mean to offend.”
That’ll save you so much more hassle than “STFU. It’s obvious I meant Y and you’re just attacking me now! screw this!”
Also: Throwing aspersions like “you’re having doubts about how reasonable I am being” simply turns more people against you if I am being reasonable. This is why you should always maintain the higher ground.

[Jimmy_James]

I think it’s time to end this soap opera.

Doesn’t ending a soap opera go against the fundamental mechanic of that genre of TV show?

-JJ

[thesuzukimethod]

Language can be powerful and subtle, and those who are particularly adept in it’s usage can say one thing while (perhaps actually) meaning another*. but, I’m with zen here, assume the best until someone clearly demonstrates otherwise… (*please note: i’m not suggesting anyone here was doing this, merely that it’s an unavoidable discursive element(strategy?), but that it’s only a trap if you fall into it…and said falling can include assuming it’s a trap when it is, in fact, not).

I jumped the gun on the recent pc (only) critical feedback thread, but instead of posting in the thread, i § messaged vert about it, and we had a productive dialogue where we both sorted out what we (actually) meant, and realized that there was no beef between us. sometimes it’s just a misunderstanding.

[sereNADE]

the club’s name contains both “BRINK” and “HARDCORE”. why else reply to anything they have to say if not for a quick laugh? i certainly had a few reading this thread.

[gooey79]

[QUOTE=Oschino1907;373233]So I accuse him of not taking it seriously and this is “flaming” him, not to mention I afterwardss just simply asked him to explain more because they were only 1 word generalized likes that seemed to be contridicted by his disslikes. He further explains just 2 of them but when I ask for the rest he goes off on me and claims i am asking him to write an essay and then refuses to say anythign further (although he is much more demanding about getting answers from others in diff threads)… Yeah and I guess all the ETQW Med club and their PC player buddies showed up solely for the purpose to flame this thread and attempt to derail it before it even started as zero have added anyhting but insults and attempts to make it into something much bigger then it is.

All I can say is it seems as if it is immpossible there will ever be a common ground for us to stand on and I guess just keep the hate train rolling and troll those who you don’t like while those who don’t like them will continue to have them on our ignore list and keep ignoring them. Notice I only replied to those atleast attempting to discuss the topic, its because the rest are blocked or got blocked finally after this thread. This thread tells me more then enough about what I need to know.

If they thought I was really being a dick (which was not my intention, I wrongly assumed everyone would know better) why didnt they just write me a PM and say something rather then plaster it all over the thread in an attempt to make it look bad. SO far only 2-3 people even attempted to say anything of value, the rest is all bashing me and trying to take the thread off topic. Yet sorry but I notice thats what they go ape **** over when Wolf shows up in any thread they start and he is way nicer of an ass then they are, atleast he doesnt personally attack people.

And since this thread became so toxic after “they” all showed up and started the derailment I guess no one who is even half legit will come in to even share their two cents on the original topic so R.I.P. thread. LOL and all those calling me a hypocrite need to take a hard good look in the mirror, just becuase you take one thing of out context (as I may have also done) doesnt mean you are being uncivil, it means you made a mistake but by quickly following that up explaining and getting back on topic shows the civility, not those who chimed in just to flame/bash/derail/share solely unkind words. I attempted to get it back on track and kept it as so, YOU all are the ones being exactly what you are trying to label me with. Shows a lot about the true nature of those on this site.[/QUOTE]

So I thought it would be good to clear a few things up from this post.

1] Yes, your reaction was totally uncalled for. People may call it flaming, I don’t care what it’s called; it was unnecessary.
2] Like I’ve mentioned a couple of times, I followed your rules and gave you a list. Had you asked only for an explanation instead of giving me choice, I can assure you the list would have been a lot shorter.
3] I never claimed you said you wanted an essay and suggesting this is a fallacy, I was saying I didn’t want to write one. I could write plenty for each but given it would take time, opted for number two (above) simply for ease of posting.
4] This had nothing to do with PC or the ETQWMC. I specifically said in my first post that I was focussing on the PS3 platform, for the very reason of not wanting this to go down the road of the PC debate. Apparently, I’m tarred with the brush that I hate everything Brink because I find the PC platform a poor quality port. Again, I’ll say I like the PS3 version but do have some issues with it. My post was nothing to do with the PC version and that was clear from the offset.
5] The response you got from me was a direct result of your actions towards me. Please don’t talk about common ground when you couldn’t give one inch of latitude.
6] People responded to your behaviour. Why should they hide it if you’re not?
7] You derailed the thread with your accusations. After that post, I don’t see how you could have seen any way back to be honest.
8] Talking about civility, you maintained over several posts that I had a deliberate agenda when the only purpose of my post was to give you what you wanted. There was nothing civil about your attitude beyond the OP.
9] Badman +Rep’d me for my list. Doubt he agrees, but at least he got it.
10] It’s a nice even number. I had quiche for dinner. It was actually quite tasty.

[Oschino1907]

[QUOTE=*goo;373354]So I thought it would be good to clear a few things up from this post.

1] Yes, your reaction was totally uncalled for. People may call it flaming, I don’t care what it’s called; it was unnecessary.
LOL and your reaction to mine afterwards or throughout the thread was so much better am I right? Even after I attempted to get it back on track and understand exactly what you were trying to get across.

2] Like I’ve mentioned a couple of times, I followed your rules and gave you a list. Had you asked for an explanation, I can assure you the list would have been a lot shorter.
I said it was my fault for not adding it to the original post and stated I couldnt edit the post and asked for you to elborate a bit more for both sides, just a short sentance. You refused (which is your choice to make) but did so in a manner that only added fuel to the fire, by doing just as you claim I have done to you and wrongly labled my intentions based on a misunderstanding.

3] I wasn’t suggesting you claimed you wanted an essay and suggesting this is a fallacy, I was saying I didn’t want to write one. I could write plenty for each but given it would take time, opted for number two (above) simply for ease of posting.
Your words exactly - “You’ve been given some examples already and like I said, I didn’t want to have to write an essay. Particularly where I’M BEING ASKED TO WRITE IT (The essay) to satisfy the needs of someone who thinks I need to prove myself.”

4] This had nothing to do with PC or the ETQWMC. I specifically said in my first post that I was focussing on the PS3 platform for the very reason of not wanting this to go down the road of the PC debate. Apparently, I’m tarred with that brush that I hate Brink because I find the PC platform a poor quality port. Again, I’ll say I like the PS3 version but do have some issues with it. My post was nothing to do with the PC version.

Unsure where exactly I claimed any of your comments had to do specifically with the PC version? Maybe I wrongly labled you as a “PC Buddy” of theirs as I thought you played both, if not sorry for putting you in that group.

5] The response you got from me was a direct result of your actions towards me. Please don’t talk about common ground when you couldn’t give one inch of latitude.
It works both ways there broseph, I am quick to admit to being wrong and attempt to make amends even if it ends up on the grounds of agree to disagree. I tried more then once to continue the topic and move forward but it just seemed that was the last place anyone wanted it to go.

6] People responded to your behaviour. Why should they hide it if you’re not?
They responded to it in the same exact way they were attempting to bash or down talk me regarding it. Two wrongs don’t make a right, they just make things worse and more out of control. Showing a total lack of respect when attempting to call someone else out for a total lack of respect is quite common place around here. Especially considering most of it in this thread was based around missunderstandings. (basically it should have been between me and you to sort out or through PMs and not publically in the forums with everyone and their grandmother chiming in just making it bigger then it really was) If this makes any sense, not trying to say anyone was perfect but many didn’t even need to say anything but they did so in order to escalate the situation and for seemingly no other reason.

7] You derailed the thread with your accusations. After that post, I don’t see how you could have seen any way back to be honest.
LOL so you are telling me that once there is a missunderstanding thats the end of it, no way to work around it or set the record straight. Doesn’t seem like a very good way to go about it. Almost comes off as an easy out and an excuse to end it and take it off topic into something totally different. If anyone actually wanted to discuss the topic there would have been a call to stick to it and drop the acusations stuff. There would not be a piling on of specific people taking anyones comments out of context solely for the purpose to discredit one side or another and paint them in an overall negative light. I am not the one that derailed it, it was the pack of wolves who showed up only to make backhand comments in an attempt to get me riled up. Which is why I ignored them and only responded to certain people. You being one.

8] Talking about civility, you maintained over several posts that I had a deliberate agenda when the only purpose of my post was to give you what you wanted. There was nothing civil about your attitude beyond the OP.
I may have had a pre set view on how I thought you posted you original list but I didn’t crap talk you or try to paint you in a bad picture, I just said I didnt think you were taking it seriously. You could have simply proved me wrong by further elaborating on your points as mentioned before and I would have kindly eatin my words. But instead you started to act more confrontational towards me and that to me showed signs that I may have been correct. I am still up in the air though, not sure at all what youre all about especially after this.

9] Badman +Rep’d me for my list. Doubt he agrees, but at least he got it.
10] It’s a nice even number. I had quiche for dinner. It was actually quite tasty.

Both of your final two comments… Lol you know you just kept going past 8 so you could name drop, come on now, its sooo obvious!!! J/K Its not that it was not understandable but just could have been taken more then one way, I just wanted to know what you actually liked or dissliked about certain features as it would help to show who had the same views and others different regarding those features as they could be liked or dissliked for various reasons.
[/QUOTE]

Lets just end this bickering schoolgirl stuff and maybe attempt to get this back on topic or just end it all together and wait for another day to cross paths on the debate trail again. I have no problems with you, just had a misconception that you wouldnt/were not taking it seriously. If I am wrong I apoligize and would like to just move along.

[dazman76]

just had a misconception that you wouldnt/were not taking it seriously

Getting warm…

If I am wrong I apoligize and would like to just move along.

Bingo +rep for that. It shouldn’t have taken 3 pages really, but I’m glad you did it. I’ve had to do the same myself on occasion, and it’s always worthwhile

[zenstar]

Agree with dazman there.
This thread has kinda crumpled due to misunderstandings that got blown out of proportions.
Hopefully everyone cal let bygones be bygones on this

Takes a lotta balls to do a public apology like that. Commendations to you Osch.

[AmishWarMachine]

…it’s only a trap if you fall into it…and said falling can include assuming it’s a trap when it is, in fact, not).

The trap is a lie?

WWAAD?

[RabidAnubis]

Listen. Stop worrying about our pasts and get over it please. Or just ignore eachother! I see no reason to argue over a fairly constructive topic.

Tell SD something they did right and something they did wrong. I don’t see why everyone had to get so angry…

Why don’t we all just eat some cheesecake and cool down?

[Oschino1907]

[QUOTE=RabidAnubis;373410]Listen. Stop worrying about our pasts and get over it please. Or just ignore eachother! I see no reason to argue over a fairly constructive topic.

Tell SD something they did right and something they did wrong. I don’t see why everyone had to get so angry…

Why don’t we all just eat some cheesecake and cool down?[/QUOTE]

What?! Cheesesteaks count me in!!!

[thesuzukimethod]

[QUOTE=AmishWarMachine;373408]The trap is a lie?

WWAAD?[/QUOTE]

the trap might be a lie. the cake definitely is. WWGD?

[Chris2]

Likes

Art

The art direction in this game is pretty amazing, I still don’t like the player models and never have, even before the red glow but anyway that aside the game looks and feels great. Really stylish, I think it’s quite refreshing that more and more developers out there are taking a different approach than the boring realism thing most have going on that boasts a 1000 shades of brown and gray!

Regarding geometry, gone are the sharp 90 degree corners replaced with all these sexy curves and such, must have been quite a task to make sure it all aligns properly. I’d be really interested how your level designers managed to pull this off. It’s one thing that irritates me most of modeling is that I can’t make things easily connect to each other on complex geometry, I use 3D CAD at work and we have constraints and such but never noticed these in 3D modeling packages?

Premise

The back story behind the Ark is also quite interesting, while the idea of a floating city isn’t that original the reasoning behind this city is. I hope it will be expanded upon in the future, be nice to find out who the founders are and also what the outside world is like. As a born-again tree hugger the environmental aspects of the Ark are of interest to me, seems a lot of research went into this side of things to make sure it made sense and such.

Ideas

They are some great ideas in Brink, SMART and Buffs been the most prominent ones. However their implementation isn’t quite all there but I’ll roll with them in this ‘likes’ section and suggest improvements.

SMART, as discussed recently it’s quite a nice idea but seems bit restrictive and although works as intended it doesn’t work as advertised. Most of time I don’t feel the need to use it and the times I do I felt like I was forced to use it because someone filled a room full of boxes and stuff. Slightly more open level design may help somewhat. Also been able to use it in conjunction with regular trickjumping would have been nice. I always liked ramp jumping in ET:QW on roof tops and such, imagine that combined with SMART.

Buffs, on paper they sounds great but the main problem for me is that they are stackable and as such become way too effective to the point where in an organised match you may as well not bother leaving your spawn area if you haven’t had all the buffs. I would like buffs to stay but perhaps limit the amount and types of buffs a single player can receive so you have to as a team carefully allocated your available buffs to the right kind of players. For example, you would give the best shooters/aimers the weapon buffs, the objective classes the speed buffs to get there quicker and so on. In doing this one would hope that each buff type has it’s pros and cons which are balanced across the board, so a player with a weapon buff would have greater damaged but a player with the speed buff would be able to evade that player with the higher damage.

Dislikes

On screen clutter

There is just too much going on here and it’s not clearly presented, firstly the HUD is quite busy and contains not so clear information, it took me a while, albeit a short while to understand the health bar. The ammo counter for some reason is on the opposite corner to health and the buff bar is on the opposite side to that again.

So you have 3 key sets of information but on different parts of the screen, they should be located all together in my opinion, a quick glance to one corner and you have all the important information and can act accordingly. As things stand I need to develop the skill used by fighter pilots in which they can focus each eye at different areas.

Now to the in-game elements, players names and their statistics (health, ammo etc) are simply too large, it would be great if we could select different sizes and have some colour and transparency options. The glowing objectives are really distracting also, would be great if we could either tone it down or turn it off. The blood splatter is also a bit on the heavy side, again some options in this regard would be welcome.

The crosshair is another issue, I more than a tad disappointed we weren’t given the same level of customisation for them as we did in ET:QW. The outer circle is the part I have my main problem with. (too large)

When you combine all of the above it becomes really hard to focus on playing the game for me and even more so when you take into account the next bugbear:

Sound

The sound dampening effect when you get hit just doesn’t do it for me, it’s just too distracting, I assume it was implemented to cause some penalty for getting hit but it’s just too much, maybe keep it in for knock downs and such but for regular bullet hits it could do with been turned off in my opinion.

Automatic voice overs, these got annoying fast, the constant chatter is highly irritating, especially regarding command posts, I’m really starting to despise the system. I would love for the old manual vsays to make a return but I highly doubt this will happen, maybe in Brink2?

F

This just isn’t working as intended I’m afraid. It was meant to speed up actions performed and make it simpler to complete tasks, it does neither as things stand. Sometimes it can take several attempts to perform a revive, seems the only way to gain a 100% success rate is to stand still above a corpse and try it that way. (Good way to die yourself)

Then you have the already much talked about class action or use command post confusion that can occur when a group of people are near a command post.

This one key to rule them all idea didn’t work well in Wolfenstein with just a few tasks performed with 1 key but apparently we weren’t allowed to use that as an example of this system not working well. With Brink we now have quite a lot more actions using this same key, resulting in a lot more potential for confusion trying to interpret our intended actions.