Splash Damage is now an ironic representation of their injured reputation.

(fearlessfox) #161

BC2 was considered across the board as a stellar title from the off, it had problems but the reviews and player feedback were mostly excellent.

Brink isn’t considered as great a game by most, in fact almost everyone I personally know who games either thinks it’s a joke before they even try it, have tried it and have moved on, or don’t even know what it is.

If you’re telling me that the figures for BC2 were similar to those of Brinks at this point in its progression then I’d be surprised. BC2 survived /despite/ its flaws because it really was/is a great game. Brink is also a great game, but it’s a lot more niche and the reviews and feedback so far have been terribly divided. It’s not boding well.

As for your further suggestions, I’m not here to beta test for SD and I’m not here to play a game I don’t really enjoy in the hope that I will start to enjoy it again at some point.

Right now, I like Brink, but my enjoyment is fading fast and when I have games like Bc2, Resistance 2, Street Fighter 4, and even Uncharted 2, which are all awesome online titles, I have even less reason to devote my limited free time to it.

(Oschino1907) #162

[QUOTE=fearlessfox;323824]BC2 was considered across the board as a stellar title from the off, it had problems but the reviews and player feedback were mostly excellent.

Brink isn’t considered as great a game by most, in fact almost everyone I personally know who games either thinks it’s a joke before they even try it, have tried it and have moved on, or don’t even know what it is.

If you’re telling me that the figures for BC2 were similar to those of Brinks at this point in its progression then I’d be surprised. BC2 survived /despite/ its flaws because it really was/is a great game. Brink is also a great game, but it’s a lot more niche and the reviews and feedback so far have been terribly divided. It’s not boding well.

As for your further suggestions, I’m not here to beta test for SD and I’m not here to play a game I don’t really enjoy in the hope that I will start to enjoy it again at some point.

Right now, I like Brink, but my enjoyment is fading fast and when I have games like Bc2, Resistance 2, Street Fighter 4, and even Uncharted 2, which are all awesome online titles, I have even less reason to devote my limited free time to it.[/QUOTE]

Honestly outside of some matches with horrible lag from time to time and the texture pop in problem i would say the problems are on par with the amount of gameplay effected as BFBC2 upon launch. Thing you are forgetting is Brink is a BRAND NEW game and BFBC2 was a sequel based on a established franchise.

BFBC2 is gonna get the initial pass like COD does and for the most part many including reviewers knew what to expect. Console players loved it even more then BFBC1 and PC players liked it a bit more but still bitched and moan liked crazy about almost everything cause it was “noobed” for console again like BFBC1.

You are still new to BFBC2 but you will se the problems the more you play, trust me especially in objective game modes it can be a horrible game with spawn camping, useless teamates galore, missing grenades (like in Brink), Bush Wookies, spamming explosives Etc. I could go on for a while, I LOVE BFBC2, but i can easily say it has plenty of flaws and problems but when things go right its beyond amazing and words cant describe the moments that can be had.

Seriously though BFBC2 upon launch was lacking in content, each game mode only had so many maps, and most maps were not in more then 1-2 game modes where as now there is pretty much a every game mode for every map and 4 all new maps that came out about 8 month after release. And dont forget you reach 20’s and nothing left to unlock, just a grind to 50 after that for a few hundred hours.

Pretty much having experianced both from launch i say dont give up on Brink and try try try to find good frineds and keep the games goin, supporting will only help it improve down the road, BFBC2 wouldnt be what it is today after added content and patches without those who stuck with it and talked on the boards and made it a point to find other BFBC2 players to connect with and build a strong community. I got friends that still play EVERYDAY with close to if not over 1000hours now.

Well i am goin back to play some more games before it gets to late, working on my third character now! Dont get mad, get glad! :stroggtapir::stroggtapir::stroggtapir::stroggtapir::penguin::penguin::penguin::penguin::stroggtapir::stroggtapir::penguin::penguin::penguin:

(Apples) #163

BFBC2 a finished product? Holy ****ing god that is the joke of the century!

It is a PoS, the only reason it has many players is because it’s an established franchise, the launch was horrid, and there is no “skills” or "tactics’ involved at all in pub at least, just camp the fk and use the vehicles, and you win. Obvious flaws such as medic chain revives, it needed a bazzilion nerf to balance the weapons, etc etc I can go all day…

But it has level 50!!! ahahahahah, ahahah, ahah , ah , ahhhh … I’m dying a little there :smiley:

About the awards… It makes me also lol, it’s like in the cinema, the winner is known from the start… and the award doesnt mean nothing, when you see BLOPS getting rate of 9/10 on some reviews, where is the credibility of the gaming industry?

Now I dont say brink is perfect, but the influx of noob around here is getting quite annoying, if you dont like the game for some valid reasons just use the appropriate threads and stop QQ’ing on every thread on these boards please, keep it readable at least.

As I said pages ago (and I was right), this thread, whilst wrapped with shiny paper, is another hate thread contributing to nothing… and now it’s even an advertising thread for BC2, GJ OP!

Peace

(fearlessfox) #164

I wish you people would read my posts…

I’ve said on multiple occasions that I’m aware of this. The problem is that /because/ Brink is a new IP and doesn’t have a prequel with strong sales to back it up, its numerous issues and the damage done to the game and the dev’s name is very severe in terms of appealing to the mass market.

And that’s what they tried to do by going console, and in this market first impressions can be deadly.

This entire thread is about the damage done to SD’s rep and how difficult it will now be for Brink to make the impact the core of its game deserves to.

And when I asked for figures, I didn’t need you to explain to me the various problems BDC2 had. I can guess those. That’s not the point. It’s not a perfect game and I know that. And, again, that’s not the point… I was asking for figures related to player count. Did the issues that BC2 had cause the number of players to dwindle so remarkably as those we’re seeing for Brink?

The point I made was that BC2 lasted despite all of those problems /because/ people knew the game would reach a certain quality at some point based on what they new of the dev company and its previous releases.

The masses don’t get that about SD. They don’t know the name or the previous games and don’t have the faith some of us do. Oor did…

And this is what’s causing my faith in Brink to fail.

A game like this, a niche game that’s made a gamble on the mainstream, is successful based on the strength of its community. Brinks community is at each other’s throats and dwindling.

Time will tell, and I’m sure SD will give it very good go, but do you honestly all have faith that it will be enough?

Please, learn reading comprehension. You’re just showing off your lack of it.

(Tear 08) #165

[QUOTE=fearlessfox;324370]I wish you people would read my posts…

I’ve said on multiple occasions that I’m aware of this. The problem is that /because/ Brink is a new IP and doesn’t have a prequel with strong sales to back it up, its numerous issues and the damage done to the game and the dev’s name is very severe in terms of appealing to the mass market.

And that’s what they tried to do by going console, and in this market first impressions can be deadly.

This entire thread is about the damage done to SD’s rep and how difficult it will now be for Brink to make the impact the core of its game deserves to.

And when I asked for figures, I didn’t need you to explain to me the various problems BDC2 had. I can guess those. That’s not the point. It’s not a perfect game and I know that. And, again, that’s not the point… I was asking for figures related to player count. Did the issues that BC2 had cause the number of players to dwindle so remarkably as those we’re seeing for Brink?

The point I made was that BC2 lasted despite all of those problems /because/ people knew the game would reach a certain quality at some point based on what they new of the dev company and its previous releases.

The masses don’t get that about SD. They don’t know the name or the previous games and don’t have the faith some of us do. Oor did…

And this is what’s causing my faith in Brink to fail.

A game like this, a niche game that’s made a gamble on the mainstream, is successful based on the strength of its community. Brinks community is at each other’s throats and dwindling.

Time will tell, and I’m sure SD will give it very good go, but do you honestly all have faith that it will be enough?

Please, learn reading comprehension. You’re just showing off your lack of it.[/QUOTE]

…But Oschino’s point still stands, I mean that is the sole reason that people bared with it, because it was part of a Franchise…I do my best to be civil, but you’re just taking obvious stuff and stretching it a mile long to try and look good, the simplicity of it is this:

[I]-Games part of a Franchise that screw up on release are forgiven because it’s popular…

-New IP’s have no lee-way, they screw up, it’s game over, for the game and the Developer…[/I]

At least that’s how the simple masses see it…don’t need an essay on that one simple point…

And as for losing faith because Splash made an attempt to advertise this to the Mainstream, I really don’t see why, I mean you can’t blame them for trying to reel in more sales, and it’s still a niche game…and so for the Community, a couple of Mainstream players on the Boards b**ching makes no difference to me, whenever I go Online the Players are Team-Players…that’s all that matters for me, so no complaints from me on that…

And give Splash some time, problems will be fixed…and yeah, we could both go on all day that the game was delayed and then pushed forward a week and still ended up with problems…it’s a fair point, but sh** happens and mistakes are made…and with Splash, so are amends…

(fearlessfox) #166

It wasn’t the sole reason. People enjoyed the game. There are people here who have no experience with SD’s former IPs, yet they love Brink /despite/ its flaws.

Problem is, for whatever reason, the people sticking with Brink are dwindling.

Now, we can go over and over the reasons for this, but that’s not going to change the fact that the numbers are getting dangerously low.

I’m not stretching anything. I’m making my initial point clear for some people who seem to have missed it. That I’m having to repeat myself is not /my/ fault.

Even if Brink becomes one of the strongest MP experiences available, is the damage done too great for the community to regain the momentum for the game to become what it potentially can be?

That’s the question.

[QUOTE=Tear 08;324383]
And give Splash some time, problems will be fixed…and yeah, we could both go on all day that the game was delayed and then pushed forward a week and still ended up with problems…it’s a fair point, but sh** happens and mistakes are made…and with Splash, so are amends…[/QUOTE]

And this is the point, is the time given going to be enough.

If you actually read what I wrote like I’ve asked everyone else who clearly hasn’t, I’m not giving up on Brink. I’m not getting a refund, or taking my game back. I’m going to wait and hope and give them a chance.

I just don’t have the /faith/ that it will happen, and neither it seems do the majority of its potential customer base.

(Apples) #167

Erm No? I dont think I’m wrong there :wink: But meh this is /thread for me! Have fun fighting the windmills!

(Tear 08) #168

Huh…apparently anyone who slightly disagrees with you hasn’t read your post properly…so, answer me this d*ck-tits, at what point did I ever give the impression that I thought you were giving up on the game…?..oh what’s that, I didn’t? Well you get 10 points my good man…'cause all I was saying was that I couldn’t understand why you would lose faith about these things…

I wouldn’t be a b*tch about this, but you constantly go at people for “Not reading your post properly”, just thought I’d repay the favour, because I read, I understood, I respect your opinions but I disagreed with them…apparently that questions my reading skills…

(shango1963) #169

[QUOTE=Jess Alon;322991]Lag is practically fixed. I’ve been playing 8vs8. And its rare to get lag now.
People were complaining about the animations in the previews…
When did the previews show that? Story based? It’s always been about the mechanics. That’s still there.
XBL join a party. PSN i guess you’re screwed. PC there’s like a million options.
Buy a headset and select OLD SKOOL voip on by default.
Stats tracking will probably be here in 5 days by end of the month.

The only problem I have is that a lot of people are complaining just because they don’t like they set up or they don’t know there’s an option for what they want. There’s an option on 360 where voicechat is on by default.

They will probably add lobbies too with the outcry from everyone. Even though I don’t really love lobbies because I have to wait for everyone. I’d rather my friends just jump into the game with me casually instead of having to wait in a damn queue to play the game.

Obviously BC2 isn’t THAT entertaining or you wouldn’t still be on the Brink boards night and day.[/QUOTE]

LOL-Right on Jess-excellent rebuttal. Jess, if you’re PSN with the game, look me up so we can Fireteam up (same name on PSN as here).

Peace

(fearlessfox) #170

[QUOTE=Tear 08;324402]Huh…apparently anyone who slightly disagrees with you hasn’t read your post properly…so, answer me this d*ck-tits, at what point did I ever give the impression that I thought you were giving up on the game…?..oh what’s that, I didn’t? Well you get 10 points my good man…'cause all I was saying was that I couldn’t understand why you would lose faith about these things…

I wouldn’t be a b*tch about this, but you constantly go at people for “Not reading your post properly”, just thought I’d repay the favour, because I read, I understood, I respect your opinions but I disagreed with them…apparently that questions my reading skills…[/QUOTE]

Calm down man, I was reiterating my points made against Oschino’s point as your post asserted he had one.

He didn’t read my post properly because he spent the entire thing replying to my assertion that “the figures” would be different by interpreting that as me suggesting BC2’s problems were lesser when I was asking about player count.

When you suggested I should…

(shango1963) #171

[QUOTE=Oschino1907;323466]You need to find more people online to play with. I have deleted most all my old COD friends (kept all the BFBC2 one though) cause they just stick with it and never even attempt to move on to anything else. Now have a strong healthy comunity of Brink players on my friends list. At evening and night times its no prob for me now to get full matches going with good fireteams and almsot everyone with a mic even whole games with all mics.

Just start to put out friend request to other good players or people you see often, I was seeing some guys day after day from match to match here and there and now we are all teamed up together with others and have great games everyday.

Also you just picked up BFBC2 which i and many others played for hundreds and some thouhsands of hours and it took 8months to get all the free dlc (8month mark was about when the final and first true new maps came out) and new game modes for maps not to mention the paid Vietnam DLC. You should have more then enough with that game to keep you going for a long long time, but those who played form day one felt lulls here and there where we barely touched the game because of lack of new content and such. It wil happen with any new game that is based on future dlc carrying it over the long haul. Hopefully SD will do better then DICE (or atleast not get sidetracked by Publishers on side projects like DICE did) and keep the conent comming at a constant rate to keep it fresh and new every few months.[/QUOTE]

Another great post. Same experience with Brink and BFBC2. Long periods awaiting something new for that game. What kept me there was the Teamplay aspects and overall gameplay. I didn’t give up on it simply because the devs. didn’t move as fast as some might have liked with new trinkets and such. I stuck with it, and benefitted thereof.

(shango1963) #172

[QUOTE=Oschino1907;323492]I adde some to my previous post about BFBC2 and why it is the way it is.

About people not there any more, i have had many like that also, they played for a few days or week and are now gone. I have been deleting them now also to replace with new friends of my new brink friends.
Like i said look for guys you see daily or fairly often, try to team up and together look for others to join and in no time you will have a decent group of team players. Some guys i have met are guys i am shocked i never ran into in other games as they are exactly my type of gamer and the kind i enjoy going to battle with.
Just make random fireteams every game and see what guys join and what guys have mics and stuff and start to invite the guys who you think would be worth playing with in the future and not just that day or specific match.[/QUOTE]

Might’ve missed it but is Oschino1907 your PSN as well? Mine is the same here and on PSN. Add me and we’ll Fireteam up. I’m outta Philly.

(Tear 08) #173

[QUOTE=fearlessfox;324417]Calm down man, I was reiterating my points made against Oschino’s point as your post asserted he had one.

He didn’t read my post properly because he spent the entire thing replying to my assertion that “the figures” would be different by interpreting that as me suggesting BC2’s problems were lesser when I was asking about player count.

When you suggested I should…[/QUOTE]

Hmm, I don’t see how you got the impression I thought you were giving up on the game from that, that’s just me saying that the game will be fixed in time, believe me, I’ve read enough of your posts to know you’re not giving up on the game…as you’ve said, you wouldn’t be here otherwise…

And I think I’ll stop this here, all I’m doing is making myself look like a f**k-wit…

(shango1963) #174

[QUOTE=its al bout security;323747]here is what i think, the originall post is nailing iton the head and then -BLAM- people show up who try to “defend the game and all its glory” i understand to me its a F***ING GREAT GAME its the only game i have really played for more than 10 minutes (mostly hours upon hours) but then “veterans” pop their heads in and just attack the posts with totally unecissary opinion they just want to see their mostly unopinonated text posted on the forum with thier nice picture. i dont want to have to read this

i want to see a a thread with intelligent posts not some guy that just pops in and only says “i disagree” amd then just dip out of the thread all together to meet their post quota

regaurdless i agree the game at this time is broken but i am stickin it through till patches and dlc.

if this isnt fixed by that time i will make my 10th lvl 20 and then just sell the game by then it probably will have lost all my hope and it wont have any appeal to it by then (actually i am very close to 10 level 20s as is.)[/QUOTE]

Start off with proper sentence structure before you go off blasting people. It’s hard to follow exactly what you’re saying (or trying to say). Intelligent posts start with yours. The poorly spelled words are making my eyes hurt (as are the run on sentences). If you don’t play past your 10th lvl 20, you’ll be missed. “Oh Danny Boooy, the pipes are callin’…” 21 guns salute, the whole nine; just for you. It’ll be hard, but I’ll try and find someone to fill your 10 shoes.

(kamikazee) #175

[QUOTE=fearlessfox;324390]Problem is, for whatever reason, the people sticking with Brink are dwindling.[/QUOTE]I lost my way in this thread. Would you be so helpful to post a link to your statistical study of the rate they are dwindling at?
Thanks.

(shango1963) #176

And you’re leaving when? Staying in a relationship you find unhealthy is unhealthy in its own right. You can call it quits anytime you like. Brink won’t mind. I promise.

(fearlessfox) #177

[QUOTE=kamikazee;324442]I lost my way in this thread. Would you be so helpful to post a link to your statistical study of the rate they are dwindling at?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]

PC stats.

From the Steam stats page:

BRINK
Current players: 2,186
Peak: 4,560

There are no stats for psn that I’m aware of, but I can tell you that there are less games with 7/7+ players now than there used to be. The average I find now is 5/5.

(kamikazee) #178

[QUOTE=fearlessfox;324452]PC stats.

From the Steam stats page:

BRINK
Current players: 2,186
Peak: 4,560

There are no stats for psn that I’m aware of, but I can tell you that there are less games with 7/7+ players now than there used to be. The average I find now is 5/5.[/QUOTE]No, I mean a day-by-day list of peak players since the game’s launch, not some forum thread with people complaining about the “current players” counter at 11AM when nobody’s playing…

Otherwise, how can you know for sure the number of players is really going down?

(fearlessfox) #179

edit/ 10 jfh

(fearlessfox) #180

[QUOTE=kamikazee;324457]
Otherwise, how can you know for sure the number of players is really going down?[/QUOTE]

I don’t have screenshots, and I don’t have a link right now, but the game was ‘10k+ a day’ before, peaking at around 15k at weekends.

The reason I linked to the thread was not for the OP, but the discussion in general. There are plenty of them if you scroll through the steam forums. would they be happening at all if it wasn’t true? Surely if they’d be debunked with facts and figures in the first few posts if they weren’t/

Just keep an eye on it yourself.