spawn "camping"

(squint) #1

When maps for Quake World Team Fortress were made, a fairly obvious decision was taken - the spawns were given doors that only the home team could open, and stuffed full of medpacks.
It wasn’t enough. They were given walls of pure force that hurled the opposing team back out again.
It still wasn’t enough. They were given big cattle grid like things to swallow grenade spam.
After all this, it was playable.
This was about 8 years ago now.

Today, I was accused of spawn camping in ET. This is because the way to the objective on Oasis involves running straight past the axis spawn, and there was a guy about 6 feet outside it lying down with an MG picking of the allies. I saw. I shot. I was complained about. Loudly. By the guy with the MG. To be honest, I reckon he needs more imagination. On gold rush he could kill allies with a mortar without actually leaving the spawn atall. Go on. Kill that without spawn camping.

Now, generally I reckon spawn camping is annoying, pathetic, skill-less, and not in keeping with the rest of the game. But if the maps are going to put the gold practically in the %£$* spawn how are you supposed to play?

“Excuse me Mr Gestapo, can we have our ball back please?”

(ildon) #2

Next time just ignore them.

(puubert) #3

Well, obviously your intent wasn’t to attack the spawn. Intentionally attack the spawn is lame. That player was just a dickhead. Play on less n00by servers.

([!]Icon) #4

all i can say is, i follow TWL rules. but this topic has been discussed a few times, and all ive really gotten out of them is what ive learned from experience. if your playing on a server where you can rape an 8 person spawn by yourself, you need to get out of that server because if you get your jolly’s destroying a bunch of noobs then you need a hobby. Spawn camping “is” a tactic, but for every tactic theres a counter tactic. thast whyt i like people to spawen me on fueldump because its easy to lose track of people on a big map and by the time you plant they ussually dont have enough time to /kill and spawn back. the only time it really happens is when the teams are uneven. not in numbers but in player skill. so find balanced servers or XP shuffle. Theres lots of servers out there and theres no point in complaining about one.

(bacon) #5

shameless promotion the ck servers never have n00bs like this!

(MadJack) #6

So what if they spawn camp!? I can see the Axis on D day… “Don’t shoot them. Let’s wait a bit so they can settle their gear and everything. We all want a fair fight. It’s a matter of Honor. Not winning the war.”

I’m sorry but that’s just me. I hate to rain on people’s parade but this is just getting outta hand. When you spawn, don’t just stand there like an idiot waiting to be shot. (not pointing anyone, just saying that.) Get on the move, run and go to the action…

If the other team spawn camp, you can do it too. Yeah yeah, I know, some maps are hard to spawn camp on both sides. That’s the best reason not to stay put after spawning.

Anyway, that’s my view on things. :slight_smile:

(CYNIC) #7

Since he was the one camping…In his spawn area…He is the spawn camper !!!

(eRRoLfLyNN) #8

CYNIC
Since he was the one camping…In his spawn area…He is the spawn camper !!!

That sounded a bit like Silent Bob’s mate Jay: “No, you are the ones who are the ball-lickers!” :smiley:

It’s a bit weak to say you are camping at that spot. It’s like running through the Axis spawn on the way to the bank in Goldrush. Risky, but if they spawn while you’re running past what are you supposed to do, put your hands up?! Also they come out of that with a full view of you and they have a few seconds invulnerability, the odds are all in their favour…

(BondyBoy007) #9

“He loves the cock” :wink:

(pgh) #10

If you want to spawn camp then do so. If a rule for a server states that youve not to… then dont. :slight_smile: If its going to be a problem find another server…

(eRRoLfLyNN) #11

bongoboy said:

“He loves the cock”
:clap:
pgh said:
If you want to spawn camp then do so. If a rule for a server states that youve not to… then dont. If its going to be a problem find another server…

I agree :slight_smile:

(Sick Boy) #12

As long as there is no spawncamping when teams are unbalanced, I’m OK with it. On noob servers it’s too pathetic to do.

(DG) #13

diff servers have different rules - wether its from the admins or the way its wanted by the regulars. In short follow the rules, which means find a server where it’s OK if you want to do it.

Comparisons to real life wars are retarded because war and computer games arent exactly similar. Most importantly, war is not about everyone having fun & entertainment - which is all a public gaming server is for, even if some people seem to have the idea it’s some kind of proving ground where they have to uphold their l33t reputation even though nobody has heard of them or would give a shit if they had. Spawn camping is a tactic, but so it could be argued is swapping to the other team and teamkilling. Dont think so? why not? it’s certainly effective.

The problem with spawncamping is you can argue all you like it’s a tactic, but the end of is it’s lame as fuck, and totally boring for the team being camped - and far as im concerned totally boring the the rest of the team with the campers. I’ve seen players post in forums about how spawn camping is valid, watched them do it on servers, and yet have a habit of smartly quitting the server when it happens to them.

True, a decent team should be able to root out the spawn campers, but that really doesnt work when it’s most of the other team and support fire is raining down constantly. I dont think many people have any real issues with one moron hiding around the spawns with an smg, but when there’s several field ops backed up by a medic, or a mortar who’s sussed the spawn times and has a high firing rate raining the shit down there really isnt much to be done about it unless the team being camped is otherwise hugely better than the one doing it.

It’s not even remotely as bad if you play somewhere like BIO or Efterlyst where pretty much everyone is at least fairly well skilled and pretyt much no couple of players can just rape spawns over and over. Anyway, it’s stopwatch so the XP doesnt make teams even more unbalanced than they were, but skilled stopwatch servers are probably well less than what, 10% of servers?

I dont think anyone with the slightest sense of objectivity can argue shooting back at someone who happens to be in their spawn area can be called spawncamping, and IMO likewise it goes when the spawn exit happens to be a major playing area (i.e. the Goldrush bridge exit at rear axis spawn).

(SenF|Doddsy) #14

Spawncamping is an issue and it does pop up on our servers. In the end it is a tactic whilst at the same time it is extremely lame and boring and if it is being done effectively on a public server it is usually down to unbalanced teams. On our Mustard Servers we have a NO spawncamping rule but obviously common sense prevails as there are times when you need to go past enemy spawn points as mentioned in other posts here. However, players who we feel are spawncamping intentionally are warned and then removed if they do not stop. I myself hate it when you spawn and are dead again within 5 seconds…not a lot of fun!

Having said that clan matches and practice are obviously different!! I can recall back in the days when I played for TEG we had a cup match against the mighty iNfensus and spent almost the entire 8 minutes of village in our spawn! D’oh!!
The guy in the example above where he stayed in his spawn is basically an idiot for complaining about camping. In the end if he does not remove himself from the spawn then he is fair game.

(=DaRk=CrAzY-NuTTeR) #15

the only problem i have is what squint said, the objective is next to the spawn, here are a few bad examples

Goldrush

As an allied soldier, the tank is just past the 2nd barrier, there is loads of artillery in front of me that would rip me apart if i went through, i decided to go through the axis spawn, and just as im about in the middle of it, they spawn and i get screwed

so what the fuck am i surposed to do, its just annoying how the official maps have shitty gameplay (no offence SD), in goldrush there is o end to artillery leaving 1 route, through axis spawn

Oasis

The axis spawn next to the objective, wtf are you surposed to do?

Battery

If the allies build a ramp the axis can destroy it with 1 satchet, unfair and they spawn next to the ramp so a /kill would be quick and do loads for the axis

(Fusen) #16

boo boo kitty fuck =X

(L2|B4tt3rY) #17

think of it this way, if your an axis, its easier for u because u can camp in places lean round corners and backrape people, when ur allied u have to attack, which is wat needs teamwork, so taking out axis in there spawn imo is fine, infact i encourage it cause its a good tactic and gives allies a better advantage

i always spawn camp, i love it, i dont even do obj in pub games just use em to improve my aim and movement etc

(S. Monkey) #18

I was recently accused of spawnkilling on goldrush.

id come down to the second tank barrier, and toasted two axis with my flamethrower as they came to build the barrier.

I knew they had just spawned, so I went round the corner and found another 5 axis. Two just standing in the little alcove near the spawn, and the other three struggling to push past each other in the entrance to the spawn. So I toasted them all.

If people are too lame to actually make it out of their own spawn point, thats not my problem. The goldrush spawn does have 2 exits.

(bacon) #19

Actually it has 3, but after the tank blows the doors there’s 4.

(shazmax) #20

I think this is an issue that the developers need to address rather than the admin’s. It gives the admin’s a bad rap for accidently kicking someone that looked like he was spawncamping, to having someone that doesn’t know the map accidently running into a room with a bunch of baddies and turning on the flames.