Sorry to say, but QW:ET is a failure :(

(alkaline) #1

ok I was totally blown away by the first trailer they showed at E3 a few years ago… those animations were mindblowing, the whole atmosphere simply was right and with the whole Quake backround, I was totally hyped for the game.

The next year when the first gameplay trailer appeared, it was the first letdown. Graphics were reduced and everything the first trailer promised wasnt there or cheaply created. Well I still had high hopes and said to myself, it might be a early version… which needs time to get to its full potential.

Then later that year, I had the chance to play quake wars on the Games Convention. It was a HUGE disappointment in every aspect.
I even came here to express my disappointment and people here said, everything is still in developement and things will highly improve.

Now we have this public beta. Which is real close to the final thing we are going to play, if we going to buy this game.
I cant believe, how bad things are in this game right now.

Let me begin with the techical letdown.
We have the year 2007. Games like BF2 set the standards for multiplayer wargames pretty high. So I compare QW with BF2 right now, because there are alot similarities in both games. In BF2, we have very beautiful reloading/idle/shooting/player animations, we have extremely large maps, we have textures that are so crisp and life like looking, we have very unique looking special effects like sparks/bullet hole/scratches/splashes and whatever. Also we have this extremely good sounding sound engine. If you have a openal soundcard and a 5.1 speaker set, then BF2 is probably the best sounding PC game up to date. Footsteps sound very different, its ultra positional, each sound has very high quality/impact and there are millions of different sounds that simply bring the game to life.

Now compare those standards with quake wars. Quake Wars has textures that are extremely bad. I mean hills that have textures like a 8 year old PC game. A vegetation that is built with only a few polygons, gras that is so rare and poorly looking, that you cant hide in that. Levels that are extremely bad looking. I mean everything looks empty, there is nothing that fills the virtual place. No dust, obstacles, nothing that is not there where you think, “they put that in here to atmospheric reasons”. Also the levels dont look that well from the standpoint of a level designer. I mean, I miss the idea of the war, where are the sandbags (or something from the quake universe), or things like that, that reminds me I am in a war against the other race.
Also what happend to the special effects. I mean when a laser beam comes out of the sky, the earth has to be shaken, tons of stuff have to explode, sparks that fill the screen and whatever. What we see in this game is simple said a fraud. C´mon have you seen the 5$ game on ps3, where you have shoot rocks and stuff, those special effects are better looking than anything Quake Wars offers. Simple sprites that are supposed to be a strong laser bomb, are not up to date. It looks absolutely horrible.
The animations are not worth to mention. Not even close to what other games offer. Where are current gen physics/ragdoll. When you kill someone, he simply flips over like a bowling… Not acceptable and drops the overall visual enjoyment to another lower level. Well iD games never had great animations, but those in this game are real bad and again simply not up to current standards.
Now to the sounds. The guy who is behinds those sound effects did an terrible job. Sorry, but those sounds are the worst I have heard in a long time and I am spoiled by good sounding console games and BF2. A simple tack tack tack as the raw machine gun? please… Explosion that simply make puff… There is nearly no variation of the sounds. Everything sounds similar or simply uses just one sound effect. Sorry, but this is not acceptable. Current PCs can handle much more than those few sounds. Besides that, the overall quality of the sounds is bad too, maybe too much compressed (havent checked).

I enjoy when something looks great and fells well made. But nothing is right about Quake wars, from the techincal and gameplay mechanics.

I probably could write many more pages about how I am disappointed by this game. I am big fan of the Quake franchise and in overall I´m just a gamer like you all. But that doesnt change the fact, that I am deeply disappointed how the game ended with all the hype it created by its faked screenshots. A real shame… :frowning:

(sorry for spelling errors, but english is not my mother language)

(kamikazee) #2

Well, the graphics do look different from those previously shown.

However, I wonder if they packaged a high-quality MegaTexture with the public beta. The beta is mostly for testing, so a decrease of the download size with 20% (made up number) is quite a gain.

These textures can be compressed to an arbitrary level, so the final game may still ship with slightly higher-resolution textures when rebuilt from the originals.
Yet it still forms a guess. I could personally do without (because competitions tweak the looks to the Q2 era anyway) but I can understand you want more.

The physics are somewhat courtesy of Doom 3, but the ragdolls were done away with for a reason. They have some problems with mass and collision detection, making it hard to guarantee that a player can be revived.

I don’t know, but aren’t you comparing the game to BF 2 on these aspects as well?
I can understand you compare the looks or sounds, but it’s impossible to do so on the gameplay. The games fill different niches after all, so you either compare ET:QW with it’s closest relatives like W:ET or RtCW, or just with a clear mind.

I feel sorry for you to have been blown away by the hype. Thanks for keeping it civil when explaining your disappointment.

(Gringo) #3

Dont me a favour mate and fuck off. Im sorry for swearing but I am severely enraged by this utter pointless and annoying post. First of, this is most certainly not the right place to come posting ‘ur’ opinions on Quake Wars. I sense that ur over inflated ego has led u to believe that by posting here the SD dev’s will some how become awe struck by ur almighty opinions and change the game to the way u want it. Well let me tell u u are wrong! I dont care if you dont like QW’s but dont be such a prick that u think here is the place to impart ur infinite wisdom on us and the games developers.

I didnt hear u mention ET in ur ramblings once therefore I take it u are not really familar with the game how it plays and how it is the basis for QW’s. U stick to ur EA crap if u want to. I know I and a lot of the other people that come here want to play games that are good not just pretty. This is the reason I and many others still play ET to this day.

Next time u want to mutter rubbish do it in the right place. If not, then blow it out ur ass!

[EDIT]It makes me so annoyed that words cannot articulate how annoyed I am when people criticize things that aint even out yet. I am mad!

(blinded) #4

Let’s make a game that can’t run on 50% of the people who want to play it’s PCs!

(Dazzamac) #5

OOh dear the game isn’t pretty enough, I don’t wanna play it now. You obviosly aren’t paying particular attention to gameplay are you. Perhaps if your computer wasn’t a piece of ass you might be able to see how nice the game actually is, just because you can’t see the game lookin nice on an open beta doesn’t mean the game doesn’t look style on the published piece. There are plenty of vids and screenshots about that can show you the full game quality that entirely contradict your ramblings. Besides, anyone who plays the game at competiton level will have every single one of the pretty things switched off. I don’t want my screen bouncing all over the place with sparks everywhere when I’m trying to shoot someone in the face. I’ve seen plenty of people running Wolf:ET on an extremely high end system and making it look like Doom on my snes just to get the slightest advantage.
In short

(SCi-Fi) #6

i totally agree but its a beta, thats what beta’s are. It needs adjusting as
the characters move far too fast when strafing, the physics arent quite
right for vehicles, sfx is pretty bad, weapons look un-interesting an dull.
thats what beta’s are for to let your views out on the game they thought
worthy enough and if they agree they change it…

There is allot of brilliant ideas here so just cos a few things arnt quite right
dont mean you have to bin it.

I play tribes 1 still on 1 server and the gfx are from 1998/9 and they are
still bitmaps models very basic, but the gameplay is awesome. You want
to play candy then wait for crysis, as ive seen the multi-player and it looks pretty rubbish.

(alkaline) #7

thanks SCi-Fi, blinded and kamikazee for your serious answers. also thanks for not insulting anybody or dragging this thread down to a flamefest. Proofs that this forum is, somehow the right place.

The gameplay and uniqueness of certain parts that only this game offers, do not outweighs the flaws and disappointments it has right now. Thats my personal opinion. Also I believe that I am not alone with this opinion.

I created this thread to express Splash Damage my feelings. I am sure Splash Damage does read this forum and gather information and reaction from all kind of postings all over the web to see how their product gets evaluated by the actual customer.

a propo beta, I am currently playing the beta of “warhawk” on the playstation 3. Splash Damage you seriously have to take a look how games and betas have to look like in 2007.

(zivs) #8

Since when we compare beta to (so to say) finished game?

I kinda give a f**k that it let you down, because you think BF2 is way 2cool4ET:QW… I still find ET:QW beta more bug-less than BF2142 with latest patch. And as you can guess, most of COMPETETIVE players in any ways will make ET:QW look like Q2 in graphics. So your complaints about visual aspects are kinda useless…

Oh, wait, maybe you’ve complained about WSW at their official forums, because WSW looks like crap with it freaky graphics?

We’re waiting not for yet another F.E.A.R. game where everyone moves and dies so hell’ish nice, and game in overall looks hell yeah nice. We’re waiting for an excellent MP game, not for an 30 years forward improvements in graphic & sound gaming.

Sooo… If you don’t like ET:QW, you may freely return to your buggy BF2 game.

Although it’s nice to see some negative opinion with no swearing how lame ar SD nubs (which they are afterall :slight_smile: )

And sorry for being so rude to You - just returned from latvian largest beer fest, still pretty much drunk and this topic made me kinda pissed off :slight_smile: No offences to you anyway’s :slight_smile:

(Gringo) #9

If u have grievances with the beta fair enough but to entitle the thread as u have done is idiocy at its worst!

Tbh mate, sayin as u still havent mentioned ET I take it you aint played it therefore ur out of ur element here when commenting on this game that is still in development. U stick to BF that is bugged up to its eye balls, has rubbish game play but looks good. EA love foolish people like u and ur money!

(zig-zag) #10

The beta is for gameplay testing, yet no mention of a single aspect of the gameplay. All about the eye-candy.

(Danyboy) #11

you’re looking at this from the wrong perspective… and i’ll explain.

you’re comparing the beta with BF:2 - fair enough.

  • Firstly BF:2 was a full game (bug-ridden, but complete)

  • Multiplayer games should not focus on particle effects, sound engines, and mind-blowing graphics. If my system gets bogged down with all that stuff I’m not going to play a well thought out, balanced, immersive game.

  • The game is in Beta stage

  • and hey, you weren’t the target audience for this game, if you don’t like it then you’re entitled to your opinion - but to moan about it on these forums will net you a ton of flame posts. You should probably stick to BF:2

(The5thHorsemen) #12

well it’s an open beta which is positive because they are looking to improve it.

but it’s been worked on for quite a while and doesn’t really stand up to the competitor which is bad.

BF2 and BF2142 are the competition and there pretty good.
along with games like America Army , and other squad based games.
when ET first came out it was good gameplay that was refreshing at the time and games like the BF series learned from ET and improved there game.
now IMO I think it’s time for ET series to maybe do the same.
what would be the best?
F.E.A.R. level of graphics weapons hit detection and netcode
HL2 level of Physics
BF 2/2142 series level of squad based interfacing and to some extent bonus equipment
Americas Army level of missions and stats

personally I was expecting a little more refined game granted it’s stamped Beta and not demo but still I thought it was farther along than this.
the vehicles and weapons have very little personality no real feel to them that make them distinct and the physics are cartoonish at best.
player speed is ridiculous and bunny hooping is back with a vengeance also nobody who has played squad based games are in the mood to do the old circle strafe move anymore .
I liked ET when it first came out but it’s play mechanics are sorely outdated
things like Iron sights squad hand signal animation player and vehicle pain skins along with squad voice chat is common place but missing in this game.
along with poor player animation and bad player physics combine to make a very lack luster game.
ET was great when it came out but to copy and paste it’s play mechanics into another game isn’t going to cut it.
I hope they have allot more in store for the actual commercial version of the game.

some of the excuses for the bad graphics are just are not cutting it with me.
make the game the best you can and don’t worry about people who can’t afford the hardware to play it.
if it’s good enough people will want to get the hardware.
when q3 first came out it pushed PC hardware specs through the roof and went on to become one of the best ever FPS multiplayer games made.

(Loffy) #13

Hi alkaline, welcome to the forum

In your heading, you initially wrote “QW:ET is a failure”. However, the game is: ET:QW.
Did you see the definition of a beta in wikipedia?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_(software_development)#Beta
I am just curious, when you compare your experiences from your beta participation in the development phases of the BF games, with your experiences from this ET:QW beta participation, what are your thoughts?

(corvey) #14

Alkaline is on point with his entire statement, so I won’t even bother quoting him.

True.

I agree.

I have prolonged buying BF2142 until yesterday. I just purchased as of 6-24-2007 for $26 at walmart (close enough to the bargain bin), and it’s performance, graphics and multi-player, are really good. The reason for the purchase is I now know ET-QW is a long long time away from being ready. I hope ET:QW improves itself a whole lot and proves itself worthy of buying, but until I see proof with a polished demo version, I will be buying this game from the bargain bin.

Especially since I’ve learned my lesson from buying Doom 3 and Quake 4 at full release price only to find out they really sucked.

ID’s DOOM3 game engine sucks. Quake 4 has actually become tweaked out enough in patches to become playable, so maybe ET:QW will someday too.

The original ET is great and still is. Bravo on that on that version!

They should have used the BF2142 engine instead of DOOM3. A lot less headaches I’m sure.

My sentiments exactly. I’m not being harsh, it’s just I thought this game would have been better polished by now. All the hype and this seems to me a let down. Well Another year and it should really be polished up for a release. Keep the MOTTO “When it’s done” guys, because you still got a ways to go.

I totally agree. Again, not being harsh about the subject, but it is what it is.

I agree with you.

Now this is the part I’m disagreeing with you. There is weird setting they implemented into this that appear like the graphics have a ripple effect when moving fast across textures. Other games don’t do what I’m seeing with this.

I have a pretty decent rig. Gigabyte mobo with P35 chipset, E6600 CPU, 2gig DDR2-1066 ram, RAID 0 sata 2 drives, and a 8800 GTS video card.

and the graphical ripple glitching, and overall performance play online from this game title is terrible. Compared to my other game titles, this one isn’t cutting the mustard.

EDIT: V-SYNC or FPS 333 Fixes my problem with the graphical issue. V-SYNC feels sluggish though and FPS 333 doesn’t seem as fluid. A monitor refresh setting needs to be implemented.

I do have ONE positive note though, the art work on the player/strogg characters are really nice, KEEP THAT. Bravo to the character skin art team!

(ayatollah) #15

Seriously I have one point to make and it is about the most important thing, GAMEPLAY. Some people have mentioned already that noone is commenting about gameplay. Some have said it is outdated but don’t explain how? I still think W:ET is the best game GAMEPLAY-wise out there at the moment. There is nothing that can touch it, all this about textures, animations, physics, etc., don’t come into the equation when deciding whether ET is better than BF, or whatever, as ET is all about gameplay.

High-speed, accurate shooting, great teamplay/tactics, organised chaos. All these things are what sets the ET series apart from its competitors as none have come close to what ET offer. As for graphics, whenever you pick up your release copy and put it in your super-1337 machine, I am sure you will not be let down, but if you are and it makes you not want to play the game, then more fool you.

Focus people, tell me what ET:QW needs gameplay-wise, then you will have the respect of people here. Graphics ho’s not allowed! :wink:

(Joe999) #16

which competitor? there is no competitor to ET gameplay :roll:

besides, the game is awesome the way it is in both: graphics & gameplay :slight_smile:

(RoXxOrS) #17

dear god my boy you havent a clue
and by the way CoH is the best sounding game
and as my forum mates have already said you are comparing an unfinished game to a finished game…BF 2 /2142 is a differtn kind of game to ET:QW … and it relies on aesthetics to make up for its severe shortcomings in gameplay
and as any online gamer will tell you if you are serious about doing well on a multi player game online…you turn every setting to LOW and I know from experience as a sucesful CSS and CoD player wed rather have better gameplay than great looking visuals …thats for SP games as it always lasts much longer

and I find it amusing still that a few months after ET:QW was announced EA suddenly had this great idea …of wait for it a futuristic game with advanced weoponry and a tank called goliath if my memory serves me…they rushed it out to release it before QW and as a result ended up with the expected buggy pile of crap

and this is sooooooo the rong forum to be posting this in

(Gringo) #18

here here

(General.Jung) #19

Hello Guys,

I can understand why alkaline is disenchanted even it comes out with a big delay, but it is serious and deserves fulsome praise from and to id and SD, that they said, that the game have not the quality that they wish for the release. I already posted my opinion and I won´t start a new discussion about it or get some verbalism. So I will only post the positiv things, because a mod can change the settings which War Simulation Players expected, only the graphics should be improved because that difficult for mod makers.
It is a Beta and it could be change something: I think the most, who had not already at least created a good map, mod or programs, knows what work stands behind a so huge project. And how a programer or what ever feels if peoples are just put out some brutal words even without tips and praise for the good things, which dominates in my opinion.
So I think we should help id and SD to improve that great title, test all you want, make oddities things save your logs, make screenshots or short videos and report.
So little bit more respect for the work !

(squadjot) #20

atm, i’m pretty disapointed as well…