[quote=“Xavien;192390”][quote=“blonk;192317”]
I was appealing to the mass majority, as you can see that most people didn’t even know any of the devs said anything about this until ONE person posted about it. They did not make it clear enough most likely because they know they will get a lot of hate from it.[/quote]
It does not justify you spreading false informations because not everyone knew about them. Sorry, but this is a dickmove.
[quote=“Jostabeere;192395”][quote=“Xavien;192390”][quote=“blonk;192317”]
I was appealing to the mass majority, as you can see that most people didn’t even know any of the devs said anything about this until ONE person posted about it. They did not make it clear enough most likely because they know they will get a lot of hate from it.[/quote]
It does not justify you spreading false informations because not everyone knew about them. Sorry, but this is a dickmove. [/quote]
Well I didn’t know about it until someone mentioned it after a handful of people asking. There was almost no way I could’ve known unless I dug through millions of threads that’s titles did not even indicate: “jumpsniping”.
[quote=“blonk;192317”]And if you look to your left you can see this relic of a thread from 2015-
Oh no wait, this is a brand new discussion, a pagan ritual to summon all the people we’ve lost over the months who used to keep going on about this (lord have mercy on us). Maybe if we start dropping some casual references to Overwatch we can bring them back! Let’s join hands now, chant with me…butt pose…butt pose…
[quote=“Xavien;31177”]Yes this is a rant even though this is an old topic but I’ve been thinking about it and just doing that pisses me off.
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There’s been so much said on this, you’ve created a number of polls on this matter as well, but having read through all of this thread there’s very little that’s actually new to this debate. I’m very sceptical that this is going to sway anyone.
[quote=“Xavien;31177”]
Seriously, SD still has no words on this.[/quote]
This isn’t true
I don’t buy this either. The only opinion polls I’m aware of are the ones on this forum (which are going to be biased if we’re honest, this is where people go to @$!# after all), they do capture that people here are not in favour of the jumpsniping changes but not overwhelmingly so. The actual populus of players we may never know but they certainly don’t seem to be bawling in the same manner some forum goers have been.
Having had at least a few months to think about this, when I consider how well I see the high end snipers in this game perform I don’t think they need this in their arsenal. The really scary ones are entirely capable of dominating the scoreboard without having to do this so god knows what they’d be able to do if they got jumpsniping back. If it’s a crutch that the mediocre to okay Vasillys can use to prop themselves up with then it can stay gone. They are hardly crippled without it, having access to some of the most powerful single shot weapons in the game. Don’t get me wrong I’d love them to remove all kinds of movement related spread for a proper high adrenaline FPS experience, but most would probably view that as a bit extreme.
There was never any official statistics on who agreed with it and who didn’t.
However out of all the threads I have seen talking about jump sniping, it was an OVERWHELMING majority who either disagreed or proposed and different change. Go ahead and grave dig to find out for yourself. There were so many forums of people complaining how the devs were ignoring players and how it wasn’t the best decision.
We are all aware of how dangerous Vassili can be in the hands of someone skilled which is why insta gib was removed. However removing jump sniping is something short of a joke, it’s not easy to pull off, especially headshots.
Also want me to name you people who can one shot jump you?
Fragger with his nades
Nader with her nades
Fletcher with his bombs
Skyhammer with his airstrike marker
Sparks with her revivr
I went back and looked through them as part of making that reply, I was also reasonably involved with the discussions at the time. The popular ones were started by the OP of this thread, and as I said to you, they indicate a majority but certainly do not overwhelmingly sway me. And as I mentioned, they are no doubt biased considering this forum’s main merc choice is Whinehammer. Probably the one with the clearest questions and most votes that I remember:
57% / 27% / 15%
That’s approaching 60% of responders indicating they disagree with the change. Roughly half of that agree with the change, and half again don’t care. You can cast your own interpretation of these responses, I don’t think they are really clear enough or unbiased enough to say much (just read some of the replies from people on the matter in any thread - blatant hostility to the devs, sore butts you could drive a truck down etc. ), but they do not say to me that there is an overwhelming feeling from people. The majority is clear, but I don’t think it can be taken without also considering bias.
You aren’t really using the same definiton of shot if by shot you mean also mean frag grenade
[quote=“Xavien;192396”]
Well I didn’t know about it until someone mentioned it after a handful of people asking. There was almost no way I could’ve known unless I dug through millions of threads that’s titles did not even indicate: “jumpsniping”.[/quote]
You created half of the jumpsniping threads mate
the ones that was asking about “bring back jump sniping” is the same person every jump sniping thread…
also, if you never hear about people not liking jump sniping in forum, maybe you should know that there is this feedback system before you quit the game.
maybe there are so many people that dont go to forum but say what they want to say in the feedback essay.
your voice in the forum doesnt represent the whole population of DB players.
I cant remember if you were able to do 3 jumps, but I do know the augment springy which I see on many of the arse holes who jump snipe used to let you do 3 jumps and chain them with no penalty, which was extremly annoying and was changed to let you jump 10% farther.
Imo they should bring back jump sniping and nerf shotgun jumping.
[quote=“blonk;192448”][quote=“Black;192429”]
There was never any official statistics on who agreed with it and who didn’t.
However out of all the threads I have seen talking about jump sniping, it was an OVERWHELMING majority who either disagreed or proposed and different change. Go ahead and grave dig to find out for yourself. There were so many forums of people complaining how the devs were ignoring players and how it wasn’t the best decision.
We are all aware of how dangerous Vassili can be in the hands of someone skilled which is why insta gib was removed. However removing jump sniping is something short of a joke, it’s not easy to pull off, especially headshots.
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I went back and looked through them as part of making that reply, I was also reasonably involved with the discussions at the time. The popular ones were started by the OP of this thread, and as I said to you, they indicate a majority but certainly do not overwhelmingly sway me. And as I mentioned, they are no doubt biased considering this forum’s main merc choice is Whinehammer. Probably the one with the clearest questions and most votes that I remember:
57% / 27% / 15%
That’s approaching 60% of responders indicating they disagree with the change. Roughly half of that agree with the change, and half again don’t care. You can cast your own interpretation of these responses, I don’t think they are really clear enough or unbiased enough to say much (just read some of the replies from people on the matter in any thread - blatant hostility to the devs, sore butts you could drive a truck down etc. ), but they do not say to me that there is an overwhelming feeling from people. The majority is clear, but I don’t think it can be taken without also considering bias.
You aren’t really using the same definiton of shot if by shot you mean also mean frag grenade
That’s only one of the threads that show you have a majority of players are in fact angry at this change.
I believe it was an overwhelming majority but if you disagree that’s fine. Just look at the players who disagree. Some were threatening to quit the game, accusing the devs of poor choices, and explaining massive frustration over this nerf. Other than the phantom nerf I think it’s a change most people are frustrated over.
On top of this there was little to no talk about jump sniping. No one asked for that nerf. To make matters worse, the devs never gave a legitimate reason as to why it was removed other than it was annoying.
Just look at the below thread and do me a favor. Read all the posts:
http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/24067/devs-ignoring-the-community-on-some-issues-specifically-jump-sniping-nerfs/p1
https://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/25330/jumpshooting-again/p1
Lol, even the forum mod Amerika seems to disagree with it.
[quote=“Black;192545”]Just look at the below thread and do me a favor. Read all the posts:
http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/24067/devs-ignoring-the-community-on-some-issues-specifically-jump-sniping-nerfs/p1
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psst
http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/comment/151234#Comment_151234
I posted loads in that thread. You’d know that if you actually read it.
@Black You know 24 agrees on a thread or a poll with some peopled does not represent the community at all until all players voted.
@Black I think it’s also important to remember that half the people in those old threads were already on some kind of vendetta against SD and were threatening to leave because they wanted to beat it to D-Va or something, low and behold most have them have already pissed off. For the better, IMO.
[quote=“blonk;192615”][quote=“Black;192545”]Just look at the below thread and do me a favor. Read all the posts:
http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/24067/devs-ignoring-the-community-on-some-issues-specifically-jump-sniping-nerfs/p1
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psst
http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/comment/151234#Comment_151234
I posted loads in that thread. You’d know that if you actually read it.[/quote]
Yea I know you did. The point was I’ve never seen so much frustration over such a small change.
I’m aware of that, I know there hasn’t been any official vote or poll on who agrees with it or not. But I make an educated guess from what I’ve seen most people don’t agree with it.
Because you don’t have to aim vertically when you do it? Is this even real life at this point? Is there no difference from trolling and being completely serious anymore? That’s like saying strafing removes the need to aim horizontally.
It’s almost like… jumping while scoped in, causes you to unscope, so you’d have to press space, then right click to land the shot. Wow that would take actual skill instead of mindless spamming like before, or rng like it is now.
I dont think anyone accomplished much by spamming jump snipes mindlessly before, when was that ever an issue?
I dont think anyone accomplished much by spamming jump snipes mindlessly before, when was that ever an issue?[/quote]
It sure would add a lot more skill to jump sniping, if people feel like it takes more effort to do, then they won’t be so annoyed when a sniper manages to pull it off.
Before, I could literally spam jump and keep popping up to squeeze out shots without any effort, bodyshot or otherwise. At least this way, it’s a subtle change but adding one more key to the process adds more effort, and therefore increases the skill floor to do it.
Imagine that, something that increases the skill floor increases the reward…makes sense to me.
I dont think anyone accomplished much by spamming jump snipes mindlessly before, when was that ever an issue?[/quote]
It sure would add a lot more skill to jump sniping, if people feel like it takes more effort to do, then they won’t be so annoyed when a sniper manages to pull it off.
Before, I could literally spam jump and keep popping up to squeeze out shots without any effort, bodyshot or otherwise. At least this way, it’s a subtle change but adding one more key to the process adds more effort, and therefore increases the skill floor to do it.
Imagine that, something that increases the skill floor increases the reward…makes sense to me.[/quote]
That’s not such a bad idea because people find jump-sniping OP and almost “skill-less”, I just want it back.
I still wondering if something that requires actual skill, why the hell would the game company remove it for being too “OP” as the reason. Like you are telling me a pro got banned forever because he’s skillful and is a threat to other players?
If one of the goals of the game is to make pro less different from noobs, I’m sorry, it is the worst decision game company could ever have.
If you are telling me that jump-snipe is out of the control, please read my first and second paragraphs again (although they are not as long as what should a paragraph be)
Also, don’t tell me about what it actually is in real life, because that’s just not necessary and BS. Talking about realistic in a game like Dirty Bomb? You should play like walking in the game most of the time, when you play proxy and Aura with shotguns, you should not have high fire rate and moving backward little bit when you fire, oh, don’t keep firing since you could get yourself into hospital due to your arm can’t handle that recoil, also when Skyhammer throw an Airstrick, the building should be ruined and the bridge should be fall, etc.