SMG-9

(Sorotia) #41

[quote=“JJMAJR;213748”]I use the Blishlock on a regular basis, and I don’t pretend it’s good or played all the time.

I however would say that the Blishlock was better than the Hochfir before the buff.

Don’t pub scrubs like you complain about Proxy rushes and pizza toss bombs?

Or Stoker molotovs, how about that?

The Proxy mine is pretty much a Stoker molotov, and they’re both countered the same way. At least Stoker denies an area. Proxy just has damage.[/quote]

I don’t know what to say…

I’m sorry you’re so pathetic you need a weapon to be OP to be able to kill someone?

(JJMAJR) #42

[spoiler]I cannot say anything about the grenade launcher because either I’d be called out for being biased towards Nader or for being blind about how good she is.

Truth be told, I’m not stupid, and can pull off really good stuff with her kit. But compared to her, Fletcher’s insanely versatile in an offensive push.

I can direct-hit people with the GL and consistently at that.[/spoiler]

[quote=“Sorotia;214373”]I don’t know what to say…

I’m sorry you’re so pathetic you need a weapon to be OP to be able to kill someone?[/quote]

Well, I use the Blishlock on a regular basis so I guess I don’t.

If you are going to just spout insults at people like that without doing anything productive then fine by me.

(GatoCommodore) #43

The mines are easily avoided if you have half a brain, a spotter, and good ping. All three should be present in the competitive scene so Proxy’s not some dominating POS that needs nerfing.

And Nader? She’s an assault and can’t kill @$!# with the Hoch in her hands before.

[quote=“Sorotia;213702”]Oh wow…yeah you’re right…how could I not see it?

Because one gun in one scenario couldn’t win…means the gun needed a big buff! Man do I feel foolish…talk about egg on my face! :confused:

Who gives a damn if she couldn’t win in one scenario? That justifies the gun being OP?[/quote]
Who has the Hochfir by the way?
Phoenix, Nader, and Proxy.
Who has the Blishlock?
Bushwhacker, Aura, Sawbonez, Fletcher, and Phantom.
What examples could I give that shows Blishlock > Hochfir without appearing biased?

I used Nader as an example here for a reason. Phantom, Bushwhacker, and Sawbonez would have a similar result as Fletcher.

Get your head out of your ass.[/quote]

Yeah and? Who actually uses the Blishlock often? Aura and Fletcher…because it’s the only alternative to shotgun.

I almost never see Bush, Saw, or Phantom with it…Bush usually has the Kek, Saw the Crotch, and Phantom the Kek or Crotch. People don’t like the Blish so don’t go and pretend like all 5 of those mercs are always running around with it.

You know you can do more with a mine then just lay it down and hope someone trips over it…you can actually aim your grenade gun at people instead of just firing wildly in a panic.

But I guess that is to much to ask from pub scrubs like you who need their gun to be OP to get kills…[/quote]

what are you talking about, i always use my ReV Phantom Blishlok

(Sorotia) #44

[quote=“JJMAJR;214378”][spoiler]I cannot say anything about the grenade launcher because either I’d be called out for being biased towards Nader or for being blind about how good she is.

Truth be told, I’m not stupid, and can pull off really good stuff with her kit. But compared to her, Fletcher’s insanely versatile in an offensive push.

I can direct-hit people with the GL and consistently at that.[/spoiler]

[quote=“Sorotia;214373”]I don’t know what to say…

I’m sorry you’re so pathetic you need a weapon to be OP to be able to kill someone?[/quote]

Well, I use the Blishlock on a regular basis so I guess I don’t.

If you are going to just spout insults at people like that without doing anything productive then fine by me.[/quote]

Oh and I guess I’m supposed to just take the word of someone who is complaining about me insulting them when they just tried to insult me the post before? You’re funny…I’ll give you that!

(JJMAJR) #45

[quote=“Sorotia;214420”][quote=“JJMAJR;214378”][spoiler]I cannot say anything about the grenade launcher because either I’d be called out for being biased towards Nader or for being blind about how good she is.

Truth be told, I’m not stupid, and can pull off really good stuff with her kit. But compared to her, Fletcher’s insanely versatile in an offensive push.

I can direct-hit people with the GL and consistently at that.[/spoiler]

[quote=“Sorotia;214373”]I don’t know what to say…

I’m sorry you’re so pathetic you need a weapon to be OP to be able to kill someone?[/quote]

Well, I use the Blishlock on a regular basis so I guess I don’t.

If you are going to just spout insults at people like that without doing anything productive then fine by me.[/quote]

Oh and I guess I’m supposed to just take the word of someone who is complaining about me insulting them when they just tried to insult me the post before? You’re funny…I’ll give you that![/quote]

You were the first one to throw out the “pub scrub” argument and kept derailing the fucking thread. You are using the “pub scrub” argument to justify your statement of “Hochfir is OP and didn’t need any buffs”.

You’re at fault here.

(Sorotia) #46

[quote=“JJMAJR;214463”][quote=“Sorotia;214420”][quote=“JJMAJR;214378”][spoiler]I cannot say anything about the grenade launcher because either I’d be called out for being biased towards Nader or for being blind about how good she is.

Truth be told, I’m not stupid, and can pull off really good stuff with her kit. But compared to her, Fletcher’s insanely versatile in an offensive push.

I can direct-hit people with the GL and consistently at that.[/spoiler]

[quote=“Sorotia;214373”]I don’t know what to say…

I’m sorry you’re so pathetic you need a weapon to be OP to be able to kill someone?[/quote]

Well, I use the Blishlock on a regular basis so I guess I don’t.

If you are going to just spout insults at people like that without doing anything productive then fine by me.[/quote]

Oh and I guess I’m supposed to just take the word of someone who is complaining about me insulting them when they just tried to insult me the post before? You’re funny…I’ll give you that![/quote]

You were the first one to throw out the “pub scrub” argument and kept derailing the @$!# thread. You are using the “pub scrub” argument to justify your statement of “Hochfir is OP and didn’t need any buffs”.

You’re at fault here.[/quote]

Hey…I said pub scrubs in general…I never called you a pub scrub, unlike you to me.

Unless you are? So which is it? Either I didn’t call you a pub scrub or you lied about using the Blish all the time and are a pub scrub proxy hoch player?

(JJMAJR) #47

How can I get out of this without looking like an ass?

Oh wait, I can’t. This is a loaded question, just like your entire argument. It pretty much boiled down to “anyone who wants no nerfs to the Hochfir is a pub scrub”, and since you kept repeating that statement I decided to turn the scrub logic against you.

I know how to use the Blishlock, and the only significant times I use the Hochfir is on Phoenix, so I do have a general feel and idea of how good it is. I played Hochfir Nader before and compared it to the Crotzni, and I would say that I prefer the Crotzni.

And I use Nader more than Fragger, because I am really good at landing those direct contacts and maximizing my explosive power.

Your comments literally flooded this thread with useless garbage. What am I to do?

(GatoCommodore) #48

[quote=“JJMAJR;214491”]How can I get out of this without looking like an ass?

Oh wait, I can’t. This is a loaded question, just like your entire argument. It pretty much boiled down to “anyone who wants no nerfs to the Hochfir is a pub scrub”, and since you kept repeating that statement I decided to turn the scrub logic against you.

I know how to use the Blishlock, and the only significant times I use the Hochfir is on Phoenix, so I do have a general feel and idea of how good it is. I played Hochfir Nader before and compared it to the Crotzni, and I would say that I prefer the Crotzni.

And I use Nader more than Fragger, because I am really good at landing those direct contacts and maximizing my explosive power.

Your comments literally flooded this thread with useless garbage. What am I to do?[/quote]

its the main strategy of the SJW really.
for example: Anybody who dont like X is Y.

see here? other people, who had other reason to not liking hochfir gets shut down by saying its pub scrubby label.

its a kind of trend in modern political speech and now it seeps to the gaming forums huh.

(Terminal_6) #49

Is this thread still about the SMG-9 or should I go somewhere else

(JJMAJR) #50

I more than welcome someone who would put something constructive into the thread again.

Please speak, and quickly!

(Terminal_6) #51

Ohboyherewego

I never used the SMG-9 much because there’s nothing special about it that calls out to me, or anyone really. Recently I opened a silver Sawbonez SM72, which I hear is a decent card, so i tried it out.

I don’t think that on it’s own, it’s a bad gun. I think it doesn’t have any visibly stand-out features, and other guns can do its job better. Additionally, the high-mobility nature of DB means you can rely on your legs as much as your gun to negate disadvantages, so a jack-of-all-trades is generally less appealing.
The SMG-9 is most comparable to the Crotzni, if the wiki is to be trusted. Same damage but lower RoF and slower reload. The control at range might be better, but if you’re the type of person who wants an SMG for taking shots from the furthest distance possible… hmm. Let’s build on that.
How does a consistent-damage output SMG sound? Like the opposite of the KEK, essentially. Cut the reload speed, buff the damage and tune down the RoF similar to how @Eox mentioned, and maximize uptime. Decent range/accuracy to be menacing from a distance, too. A gun for the exasperated Sawbonez trying to help his lackluster team actually push the f*ck up. Just a thought.

The current gun’s basically the Aquaman of the SMGs. No one cares how well it does it’s unique thing (which is not very unique), it’s getting overshadowed by everyone else.

TL;DR Buffing/nerfing other SMG’s won’t make the SMG-9 a whole lot better, it needs to be somewhat reworked to have a distinguishable identity. Give it a better sound, too. It sounds like someone rapidly smashing a suction cup against a window.

Also while we’re at it has anyone tried measuring it’s damage falloff? I assume it’s better than the Crotzni but that information is hard to come by.

(Indefinite) #52

SMG-9 is fine.

If anything, to make it more appealing, it should have more reserve ammo (1-2 mags) than the other weapons. I don’t have the weapon stats memorized anymore, but if that’s not already the case, that’d make it worth taking over the others, to me.

(GatoCommodore) #53

[quote=“EtherFox;214594”]SMG-9 is fine.

If anything, to make it more appealing, it should have more reserve ammo (1-2 mags) than the other weapons. I don’t have the weapon stats memorized anymore, but if that’s not already the case, that’d make it worth taking over the others, to me.[/quote]

yea i think soo too. so SMG-9 would be used by more active mercs that dont really have the need to go back and refill ammo. That actually very useful.

(watsyurdeal) #54

I say we reduce the rpm to 600, and increase damage to 13. Dps is still sround the same, and what happens is it requires one less headshot to down phoneix. Not much of a differene for some, but it may be enough to get some people using it.

(WaffleMonster) #55

Why fix something that isn’t broken? The problem with changing the dmg model of a weapon is it can mess up the feel of the weapon. There are plenty of weapons and mercs in this game that need more attention than the smg 9.

(watsyurdeal) #56

You realize the rpm is already 620, reducing it a little further would not hurt, if anything it’d make it’s already amazingly controllable spread even better, and put out slightly more damage than the Crotzni, so it’s a matter of having slower, heavier hitting spray, or faster, and a little less damaging.

We need to make each gun more distinct from each other, the Timik and M4 for example need changes as well.

(JJMAJR) #57

130 DPS.

Don’t you think that’s a bit much?

(watsyurdeal) #58

130 DPS.

Don’t you think that’s a bit much?[/quote]

The Crotzni has 132…you were saying?

Really we need to reduce rpm even more, to 590. That way the dps stays in line with everything else.

Heck if you want to be technical

Blishok: 126
SMG 9: 130
Crotzni: 132
KEK 10: 132
Hochfir: 126

(Terminal_6) #59

Anyone up for changing the name of the gun? If you’ve been playing for several hundred hours like most of us in this thread have, it’s probably the smallest deal. But from the noob point of view, would you rather have a gun that sounds like the ninth in a list or a gun with an actual name?
I don’t actually dislike the SMG-9, but I want to be less generic in look/sound/feel at the very least.

(watsyurdeal) #60

I think 9 mm, not 9 in the list