shrub has source code why not bani

(duke'ku) #41

No its not.
Free to those they trust to not go out and pass the code out to everyone and not free to those they don’t know or trust is just plain SMART.[/quote]

NDA.

(Majin) #42

Whos talking about cheats;/

(colic) #43

Ok.

And as you say. He changed it due to feedback as you say, obviously some settings will not be liked by some hence feedback hence the changes cant please everyone!!

He changed the defaults for a few of most glaringly unbalanced things.
Don’t get me wrong. I’ve spent a lot of enjoyable time on shrub servers, and I’m not trying to dis shrub for his mod. My personal feeling is that the original RTCW (or OSP, which has the same gameplay) is a nice clean, well balanced game, and that many of shrubs changes detract from that. That is strictly my personal opinion. He is free to put whatever he likes in his mod.

The whole mod X rulz! mod Y suckzors! thing is just stupid.

Plus I realy dont know why Activision/ID are not willing to release the source code! Was their an issue with the RTCW code being released that caused problems ???

It realy does not make much sense realy. Or is it a bit of an agreement with orange smoothie regarding osp :confused:

IMO. It has nothing to do with OSP. Why should Rhea care what other mods are made ?

Sadly, not releasing the ET source makes perfect sense to me. ET is a way to get an updated version of the q3 engine FOR FREE. If mods (esepcially total conversions) were permitted, it would likely eat into the sales of other q3 engine games. Any total conversion team would be crazy NOT to use a free engine. Mods extend the longevity of the commercial games, and if the source for ET was available, it has the potential to cut into that. Not just for ids own games, but for their licenees as well. Sock said as much in one of his early posts on the subject.

Shrub isn’t a problem in this respect, because it is still very much ET. The only thing it might cut into is RTCW, but by releasing ET for free, id and activision have already accepted that.

Since shrub is the only one to get the ET source, I hope he makes the default just ET+bug fixes+admin features, or at least offers a ‘traditional’ config.[/quote]

I may be totaly thick here :banana: buuuuuuuuuuut what special additional gameplay does OSP give to RTCW? All I see OSP as is more for clan matches as it has referee options and stats. No different to the “main” gameplay. Unless you count taking centerview out, which is one of the best aspects :slight_smile:

Then other cosmetic things like crosshairs name colours (yes Americans color is spelt colour here :wink: lol )

Then the auto recording of demos. But unless im totaly blind and stupid what else does it do? Not having a go, I realy might be stupid enough to be over looking something here :frowning:

(Majin) #44

No its not.
Free to those they trust to not go out and pass the code out to everyone and not free to those they don’t know or trust is just plain SMART.[/quote]

NDA.[/quote]

That still requires a level of trust. They don’t want to risk anything over the availability of mods for a free game that isn’t actively making them money.

(SCDS_reyalP) #45

Colic, OSP for RTCW doesn’t change gameplay, because RTCW gameplay didn’t need changing. Many feel that the same is not true of ET (this thread is not the place to debate that). OSP and CPMA for Q3, for example, do offer some gameplay changes, while staying close to the spirit of the original.
The idea behind my comment was that ET could be enhanced by a modification that appealed competition / hardcore RTCW players, rather than shrubs smorgasbord.

duke’ku
An NDA and/or restrictive license for the source would be an option, but that wouldn’t prevent the game source from getting into wide distribution. Rather, it would give activision the option of paying their lawyers to go after the people who violated it. That would obviously be more cost and effort than only giving it to select people. Still, if the total conversions argument is correct, it seems like this should work, because no total conversion team in their right mind would base their project on illegally obtained code.

(duke'ku) #46

That’s why you release it to trusted modders - bani and shrub both should be considered trusted modders. They’ve both worked on mods for about a year…and considering how they aren’t composed of a “team”, just one person, it seems a little logical to give it to both…

(Majin) #47

Activision has no reason to trust Bani. He may be a good modder, but no reason to trust him.
They must have a reason to trust shrub.

(bani) #48

why not? some of my code is in ET. if they dont trust me then they should remove it.

(Majin) #49

I didn’t know that.
Activsion is just being rude I guess:/

(duke'ku) #50

you can say that again

(Majikthise) #51

/me says it again.

(Korollary) #52

I hope etmain gets such bugfixes as prone soldier hitbox, etc. Similarly, I hope Rhea gets the sources too so that he can keep releasing OSP for RTCW and ET. And for competition, we need ETTv (was it fonfon ?)

And also maybe then I can get the answer to my question “how do I choose medic/thompson/dual colts using a console command, not the limbo menu?”.

(SCDS_reyalP) #53

Bug shrub to fix it. Oh, and then you have to play on shrub servers :eek:

(Englander) #54

OK say bani gets the code what exactly is he going to introduce to ET.

Is it just gonna be bani mod brought to ET? Maybe Activision dont like the mod.

(duke'ku) #55

kind of odd considering shrub steals many ideas from banimod. and odd how they use some of bani’s code.

(SCDS_reyalP) #56

I don’t see it that way at all. If you have something valuable, do you lend to to someone you barely know, or someone you already have a working relationship with ? Would you be rude for not lending it to someone you had met once at an office party ?

Just because shrub and bani look like equally deserving candidates from our point of view doesn’t mean that is true for whoever actually gets to decide.

Thier code, their choice. I don’t particularly agree with the choice, but without knowing their reasons, I wouldn’t presume that it was just because they were being rude.

(Majikthise) #57

Well, considering they are almost identical (with banimod having a little more content than shrubmod), that wouldn’t make any sense at all.

(Dawg) #58

This thread has really gone on too long. The fact of the matter is that SD has no say in who gets access to the source code. If you want the answer to ‘why did shrub get access’ you need to contact Activision.

I sent them an email on the subject but have received no response.

We are not going to stumble across the answer by asking eachother. None of us knows how shrub got the code.

Dawg

(Emon) #59

I didn’t play much RtCW MP, but this shrub mod and similar mods sound like it may suffer the problem of abusive server admins, just like the admin mods for JO. Admins would go on power crazes, slapping or freezing players or whatever they wanted. One programmer even left a back door into the code so he could take over any server running his mod… :disgust:

(bani) #60

abusive server admins? i guess you think giving them access to the power switch is too much control… :smiley:

its their hardware, their property, they can do what they like including taking a sledgehammer to it and vaporising the drives with thermite. if you dont like how a server is run, vote with your feet.