shrub has source code why not bani

(Majikthise) #21

How about this:

Does anyone know how we can bug activision about this? Maybe an email address, or certain forum, something, anything. I’d certainly bug them to no end for this childish display.

(DG) #22

A most basic quick check clicking on filters in ASE, though I still have my ususal filters on (isdn pinging under 100; not empty) and of course its only a snapshot. Hardly an exercise in statistical analysis, and certainly an excessively harsh sample since only the most popular servers will be active at this time of day, but:

MAIN: 3 servers, 10/74 players total
OSP: 26 servers 163/414 players total
SHRUB: 12 servers, 227/329 players total
BANI: 2 servers, 20/29 players total

Given the only mod there that needs prior download is OSP, and OSP is number one or two most popular mod (in the evening when clans play the player numbers usually swap to put OSP on top), not to mention the most professional. No offense to the other mods there at all, just OSP is an exceptionally well made mod, maybe due to the reduced scope and especially not having the restrictions that come with being server-side only. So obviously if youre going to intergrate any of the mods --which are by FAR now carrying RTCW-- OSP is the choice.

If youre then only going to provide the source to one modder, shrub is then the obvious choice. I do think it sucks that ET development will in effect be left purely up to one modder, but otoh I consider it very welcome news overall because thats one more modder than expected - seeing as previously they said the source will not be released at all. Yes it does suck, especially for bani who has made a lot of contribution to rtcw (even notice the most recent OSP changelog, lots of “thx bani!” listed) but there’s only so much I feel ok to crap on activision for it seeing as this is still a LOT better than previously thought, and should result in much more options and development for ET gameplay.

I hope shrub continues to add features in the same way as before - pretty much anything people want but all turned off as default.

(ND80) #23

I’m pretty sure that this will be the case. Already testing version 23 of his beta, so he is actively taking input and adding news features daily, if not twice daily :slight_smile:

(Ubiquitous) #24

Are goomba kills back yet? Oh, and hitsound… That was my single favorite feature of Shrub mod. +Salute was always nice too. Now, if only Shrub would listen to me and include Germ warfare mods for Field Op airstrikes… Maybe it could disorient the people caught in it for a few seconds, and do a modest amount of damage, like 5HP per second. It would cost 3/4ths of the Field Ops bar.

(Ark42) #25

[quote=“ND80”]

I’m pretty sure that this will be the case. Already testing version 23 of his beta, so he is actively taking input and adding news features daily, if not twice daily :-)[/quote]

Twice daily? stop being so slow! I have to stick a new testX-preY version in between every map it seems :slight_smile:

(SCDS_reyalP) #26

Shrub has a long history of leaving poorly thought out features on by default. Headshots that only do 5 damage, any class picking up any weapon, loosing ammo for saying ‘i need ammo’ too soon, poison etc. To his credit he did change the defaults of a few based on feedback.

(Ark42) #27

[quote=“SCDS_reyalP”]

Shrub has a long history of leaving poorly thought out features on by default. Headshots that only do 5 damage, any class picking up any weapon, loosing ammo for saying ‘i need ammo’ too soon, poison etc. To his credit he did change the defaults of a few based on feedback.[/quote]

For the ET shrubmod, we are focusing mainly on fixing bugs over new features right now. Things like the prone hitbox, engineer dynomite plant/defuse exploits, etc. Also I am getting him to completely supercede WAB in all ways regarding automatic kicking of people who do team damage, as well as the ability to censor names and/or chat if you want to…

(colic) #28

[quote=“SCDS_reyalP”]

Shrub has a long history of leaving poorly thought out features on by default. Headshots that only do 5 damage, any class picking up any weapon, loosing ammo for saying ‘i need ammo’ too soon, poison etc. To his credit he did change the defaults of a few based on feedback.[/quote]

I would hardly say it was poor. But obviously you dont know the full history of shrub mod!

And as you say. He changed it due to feedback as you say, obviously some settings will not be liked by some hence feedback hence the changes cant please everyone!!

Plus I realy dont know why Activision/ID are not willing to release the source code! Was their an issue with the RTCW code being released that caused problems ???

It realy does not make much sense realy. Or is it a bit of an agreement with orange smoothie regarding osp :confused:

Who knows either way it sucks that Bani dont get it. Whats the worst that will happen? Give players a wider range of games to play… very bad that :bash:

(DG) #29

[quote=“SCDS_reyalP”]

Shrub has a long history of leaving poorly thought out features on by default. Headshots that only do 5 damage, any class picking up any weapon, loosing ammo for saying ‘i need ammo’ too soon, poison etc. To his credit he did change the defaults of a few based on feedback.[/quote]
erm, oh yeah, iirc there was a few overly warm threads about them too :o

well er i hope he turns everything new off by default this time :cool:

(duke'ku) #30

Is this the “omg shrub r00lz” topic? No.

Maybe you never noticed, but banimod usually has bugfixes added first… as well as more innovative ideas suck as grenade kicking (shrub doesnt even have that yet)…

(SCDS_reyalP) #31

Ok.

And as you say. He changed it due to feedback as you say, obviously some settings will not be liked by some hence feedback hence the changes cant please everyone!!

He changed the defaults for a few of most glaringly unbalanced things.
Don’t get me wrong. I’ve spent a lot of enjoyable time on shrub servers, and I’m not trying to dis shrub for his mod. My personal feeling is that the original RTCW (or OSP, which has the same gameplay) is a nice clean, well balanced game, and that many of shrubs changes detract from that. That is strictly my personal opinion. He is free to put whatever he likes in his mod.

The whole mod X rulz! mod Y suckzors! thing is just stupid.

Plus I realy dont know why Activision/ID are not willing to release the source code! Was their an issue with the RTCW code being released that caused problems ???

It realy does not make much sense realy. Or is it a bit of an agreement with orange smoothie regarding osp :confused:

IMO. It has nothing to do with OSP. Why should Rhea care what other mods are made ?

Sadly, not releasing the ET source makes perfect sense to me. ET is a way to get an updated version of the q3 engine FOR FREE. If mods (esepcially total conversions) were permitted, it would likely eat into the sales of other q3 engine games. Any total conversion team would be crazy NOT to use a free engine. Mods extend the longevity of the commercial games, and if the source for ET was available, it has the potential to cut into that. Not just for ids own games, but for their licenees as well. Sock said as much in one of his early posts on the subject.

Shrub isn’t a problem in this respect, because it is still very much ET. The only thing it might cut into is RTCW, but by releasing ET for free, id and activision have already accepted that.

Since shrub is the only one to get the ET source, I hope he makes the default just ET+bug fixes+admin features, or at least offers a ‘traditional’ config.

(duke'ku) #32

But again, why should shrub get the code and not bani?

(Majikthise) #33

Sadly, not releasing the ET source makes perfect sense to me. ET is a way to get an updated version of the q3 engine FOR FREE.

But it’s perfectly ok for shrub to have it? Nice logic you have there.

Since shrub is the only one to get the ET source, I hope he makes the default just ET+bug fixes+admin features, or at least offers a ‘traditional’ config.

That’s already been debunked. Changing classes from dead bodies similar to BF1942? Yea, pretty traditional.

It’s favoritism on Activision’s part, plain and simple. If you can’t see that, you are blind. It’s pathetic, and immature behavior. And I like how SD hasen’t even commented on this topic. They seem to be pretty ok with it all.

Also, lets leave the, “this mod rulz! itz better than urs!” out of this. This is a discussion on the source being released to -one- person, despite their claims at, “we don’t plan to release the source code”.

(Dingo19) #34

Why do they owe anyone an explanation about what they do with their source code. It’s theirs to do with as they see fit. It’s none of our business.

(duke'ku) #35

Why do they owe anyone an explanation about what they do with their source code. It’s theirs to do with as they see fit. It’s none of our business.[/quote]

Then why don’t they hold to their word and not release the source code at all? Oh, wait, nevermind. :stuck_out_tongue:

(SCDS_reyalP) #36

shrug I didn’t say that was fair OTOH, I would rather they gave it to one person than none at all. If shrub is the only one they trust, so be it. It is their choice.

I don’t see why people think they owe us anything, in terms of source or explaination. Their product, their code, their choice. If you don’t like it, demand a refund.

I’d be happy if bani was given access, I’d be even happier if Rhea was making a ‘competition’ mod version ALA OSP.

Majikthise:
If you had quoted a couple more lines, you would have my interpertation of that.[/i]

(Riftgarde) #37

Free to some but not to others is just plain wrong.

(duke'ku) #38

shrug I didn’t say that was fair OTOH, I would rather they gave it to one person than none at all. If shrub is the only one they trust, so be it. It is their choice.

I don’t see why people think they owe us anything, in terms of source or explaination. Their product, their code, their choice. If you don’t like it, demand a refund.

I’d be happy if bani was given access, I’d be even happier if Rhea was making a ‘competition’ mod version ALA OSP.

Majikthise:
If you had quoted a couple more lines, you would have my interpertation of that.[/i][/quote]

No reason to add OSP…:x

(Majin) #39

No its not.
Free to those they trust to not go out and pass the code out to everyone and not free to those they don’t know or trust is just plain SMART.

(Riftgarde) #40

The people that would be smart enough to use the source for wrong, are most likely smart enough to reverse engineer the executable and make cheats anyway.