Ah yes that’s pretty unambiguous. Don’t like the reason for it either, why not run the same policy as they do for audio chat, turned off by default unless it’s from a friend?
Resistance vs Security
darthmob
(darthmob)
#42
[QUOTE=tokamak;216618]Ah yes that’s pretty unambiguous. Don’t like the reason for it either, why not run the same policy as they do for audio chat, turned off by default unless it’s from a friend?[/QUOTE]Because it would be a waste of effort. You have to keep in mind that they would need to be written and recorded which is not the case with VoIP.
H0RSE
(H0RSE)
#43
I’m all for Rahdo’s response/reasoning for no taunts. All the steps they are taking to “weed out” the assholes/non-team players, and generally make it a more enjoyable experience, I’m am all for. Especially the default off chat, no taunting or whatnot, and no stat tracking. I just want to be able to play a game with like-minded people, with as little to no frustration and headaches and BS as possible. Taunts add nothing to the game except unwanted sarcasm/smartassness (is that a word?) And chatting can really be limited by the use of autochat and context sensitive chat. If you want to talk with your friends while you play, use vent or TS, or perhaps build in a party system or private chat system into the game.
Voicechat is one of those things that people see as integral and essential, yet games did just fine without it for years. It’s like going to friends house and refusing to watch a movie because it’s on VHS and not DVD. The movie is just fine, it’s just not how you would prefer it.
brbrbr
(brbrbr)
#44
why not let it tweakable on per/server basis ?
why enforce SO MANY aspects of gameplay ?
taunts/no taunts, nvm.
ZM infulece ? “just because its my art/game”? sure, its solid argument.
but impact on gameplay - not. not always.
3Suns
(3Suns)
#45
Right now the vote is at 28 Security to 22 Resistance.
That surprises me. Sign of the times? Hmm…
MILFandCookies
(MILFandCookies)
#47
[QUOTE=H0RSE;216738]I’m all for Rahdo’s response/reasoning for no taunts. All the steps they are taking to “weed out” the assholes/non-team players, and generally make it a more enjoyable experience, I’m am all for. Especially the default off chat, no taunting or whatnot, and no stat tracking. I just want to be able to play a game with like-minded people, with as little to no frustration and headaches and BS as possible. Taunts add nothing to the game except unwanted sarcasm/smartassness (is that a word?) And chatting can really be limited by the use of autochat and context sensitive chat. If you want to talk with your friends while you play, use vent or TS, or perhaps build in a party system or private chat system into the game.
Voicechat is one of those things that people see as integral and essential, yet games did just fine without it for years. It’s like going to friends house and refusing to watch a movie because it’s on VHS and not DVD. The movie is just fine, it’s just not how you would prefer it.[/QUOTE]
Taunts add a bit of fun. Nothing to be taken seriously. Not to mention, a lot worse can be said in global text chat. 
H0RSE
(H0RSE)
#48
Taunts add a bit of fun. Nothing to be taken seriously. Not to mention, a lot worse can be said in global text chat.
I can see using taunts for fun like in TF2, I was talking about taunts that aimed directly at other players in more of a shit-talking way. Like you said, people get enough of that in global chat.
MILFandCookies
(MILFandCookies)
#49
Would you prefer a guy spamming the “owned” vsay every time he kills you, or someone who tells you your low self esteem is warranted in global chat? IMO easily accessible taunts sometimes prevent harsher things from being said
Welcome the shit talk, and you’ll realise its water off a ducks back.
AnthonyDa
(AnthonyDa)
#50
Guess what ? You can actually mute the guy taunting you in limbo. Also you can disable Vsays for everyone with a Cvar, but I guess it’s better to cut game features for the one who wish to use them 
INF3RN0
(INF3RN0)
#51
I know what you mean… this seems to spread into about every element in a game and we end up losing a lot of nice features because some people feel they are super serious problems. Sometimes you can fix something instead of simply getting rid of it, but oh wells.
brbrbr
(brbrbr)
#52
[QUOTE=MILFandCookies;216977]Would you prefer a guy spamming the “owned” vsay every time he kills you, or someone who tells you your low self esteem is warranted in global chat? IMO easily accessible taunts sometimes prevent harsher things from being said
Welcome the shit talk, and you’ll realise its water off a ducks back.[/QUOTE]
so, you thing you own perception/vision is point, enough, to make any one-sided decision ?
just turn off VoIP/taunts receive, it that case. completely, not just headset-generated VoIP.
don’t know “how?”
ask/google.
p.s.
for same reasons - nobody disrupt/disable/prohbit languages usage, which sounds, may hurt so aestetically “Elitistic”, person. but many tries. make shutup friench, russian, poland, deutsch players ingame VoIP.
you can check Mussoline book about perfectly correct description[told from 1st person view] about you action/point of view/act.
p.p.s.
don’t worry, im not hesitate to use text-chat for similar 2 discribed by you, purposes.
claiming that owned enemies are owned and players whose gameplay skills are nelegible[with appropriate(2 impact on team gameplay. sometimes - SO dramatically neagative, so team prefer kick this member) unapproprite words].
PSG_Mud
(PSG_Mud)
#55
He is saying that one individual with a biased opinion is not enough to change it for everyone. That it requires many individuals with that opinion.
He is also saying, there are many ways to stop someone from from violating your e-space.
Like, one really good one.
HEY STOP DIEING, THEN HE WONT BEABLE TO TEABAG YOU.
Manual taunting ftw.
brbrbr
(brbrbr)
#56
sure.
one Mussoline is enough to make society learn from mistakes.
thats was my thought before i read things, that i tried to comment.
don’t grow up as another furher, grow out this !!
respect is not grow on trees, and at least its two-side-working !!
humanity not work in “you be nice human or we PUNISH you, scum !!”-style[+random Evil roar in backgrounds].
Enforcing feats from presence in game,eradicating games FEATURES, itself[rather than playing with various “default” presets with various target audiencies(for exmple)]. will soon[but unnoticeable for creators, at least]make game completely empty. literally. because EVERY SINGLE ONE features of EVERY product[not only game and not only in IT], have more or less visible opposition in both industry and inside customers.
so what ?
crippling games in attempt to improve it ?
or put effort to help community/society tweak it upon their needs[with or without some feats(including some custom-made)]?
before deal with ZM, SD aswell as iD, was respectfully follow 1st road and thus - build valuing this[among other things, such as quality or gameplay]thing, community, around.
i hope its all not evaporate suddely, just because bunches of “little Mussolini” affect SD developers somehow.
seriously.
Voxie
(Voxie)
#57
[QUOTE=brbrbr;217015]
crippling games in attempt to improve it ?[/QUOTE]
Streamlining =/= crippling.
Chris2
(.Chris.)
#58
Erm, I was talking about vsays in general not taunts, v54 and the like are awesome additions and I feel their removal isn’t really justified just cause some arse bandits abuse them, where do you draw the line with this stuff? Remove text chat cause people spam there also?
brbrbr
(brbrbr)
#59
wrong.
try “streamline” any of you body parts without inflicting [serious]injury.
point is, EXERY SINGLE ONE feature of ANY games SHOULD extince, because such BS/nonsense ? i don’t think so.
because every feature have criticism against. this help to improve things, sometimes.
but hurting product to favor [minor ones]one person, hurting needs of another is not way to make working palliative decision/product.
so in terms of Commercial success, this strategy is fail/fail/
let alone PR impact.
p.s.
google about sculptor works or writers. for example.
80% of job is CUTTING OUT[with pain in heart].
darthmob
(darthmob)
#60
[QUOTE=.Chris.;217101]Erm, I was talking about vsays in general not taunts, v54 and the like are awesome additions and I feel their removal isn’t really justified just cause some arse bandits abuse them, where do you draw the line with this stuff? Remove text chat cause people spam there also?[/QUOTE]Oh, I thought taunt was just a different word for vsay; I didn’t know it had a negative meaning. In the end it doesn’t matter because all vsays are annoying when being spammed.
bind F5 “toggle cg_novoicechatsounds” ftw!