Refunding Phantom

(Backuplight) #61

Have a little self control. Nobody “baited” anybody into buying anything. If you paid cash, learn your lesson and test mercs before you pay cash for them. If you paid credits… save up more. Overreactions ahoy.

(Fap Fap Master) #62

Have a little self control. Nobody “baited” anybody into buying anything. If you paid cash, learn your lesson and test mercs before you pay cash for them. If you paid credits… save up more. Overreactions ahoy.[/quote]

Go min 10 servers, then come back.

(Mister__Wiggles) #63

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see they baited alot of people in to buying him. I like many other only started playing when the open beta was released so I had no idea what the mercs were like. I bought phantom because he was new and he looked cool, then I found out how broken he was and refused to use him, I’m not doing nothing wrong in wanting a refund, as a customer I’m entitled to voice my views and so is anyone else for that matter.

(Fap Fap Master) #64

I now feel stupid and naive for believing that SD didn’t intentionally do this for a cash grab. I stood up, said that it isn’t is that SD would never do such a thing, but look at this… it just all adds up.

(Dirmagnos) #65

As a customer you were notified that game is in beta state and all and any aspects of it are a subject to change, sometimes drastically.

(titaniumCrouton) #66

Except all online based games are subject to change at all points in time and although it is in “beta” as you put it, they are comfortable enough with the game in it’s current state to offer paid services. To which i argue if the game is good enough they’re willing to take my money then the game is in a stable enough to critque and thus point out problems like bait and switching.

Sorry, but you can’t use an OPEN BETA tag to hide shadey bussiness. Not how it works o_o.

(Anaconda) #67

I think at this point with how weak they made Phantom, they should just delete him from the game. He has zero advantages. Every class has their “thing”, he doesn’t anymore. The Katana is useless, it freezes you when you swing. The armor no longer protects you and invisibility doesn’t work because he has been made “more visible”, aka, you can EASILY see him now.

Just erase him from the game, right now he is the undisputed weakest/most useless merc.

(Ardez1) #68

If he truly shows as underperforming post nerfs then they will simply buff him or make changes to game mechanics in general later. He will be in the next free rotation, so we will know for sure what his current status is as far as UP vs OP vs Balanced after those two weeks.

Just give it time, adjust your playstyle to the changes and see what happens.

(Anaconda) #69

Yeah, I adjusted my playstyle by taking him out of the squad because he was just a running target that says “FREE KILLS”. There’s a million better ways to have rebalanced him than what they did, but SD pandered to all the people complaining and nuked him into the ground. Clearly, they just want everyone playing as Fragger and Aura it seems.

(titaniumCrouton) #70

[quote=“Ardez;52156”]If he truly shows as underperforming post nerfs then they will simply buff him or make changes to game mechanics in general later. He will be in the next free rotation, so we will know for sure what his current status is as far as UP vs OP vs Balanced after those two weeks.

Just give it time, adjust your playstyle to the changes and see what happens.[/quote]

Define his current play style then. i’m curious to your knowledgable perspective.

(_Sniff_) #71

This. Is. A. Beta. You bought an item in a game that by definition is going to change. Lots.

They have. Multiple times during Alpha. They also made a public statement about the ability to move your mouse while knifing would be removed and was not intentional to have.

(Ardez1) #72

[quote=“titaniumCrouton;52158”][quote=“Ardez;52156”]If he truly shows as underperforming post nerfs then they will simply buff him or make changes to game mechanics in general later. He will be in the next free rotation, so we will know for sure what his current status is as far as UP vs OP vs Balanced after those two weeks.

Just give it time, adjust your playstyle to the changes and see what happens.[/quote]

Define his current play style then. i’m curious to your knowledgable perspective.[/quote]

Gunplay. Use his cloak to flank and remove key members of the enemy team instead of running katana first at the closest enemy you find. This means changing your loadout. In particular get augments that support gunplay, such as Drilled or Double Time(if he gets them).

Yes, they nerfed melee options with Phantom(and every other merc for that matter), but he was always more useful with guns in the first place. Take advantage of his cloak for positioning. Use the shield to escape, not to close distance. He is still fairly hard to see if you aren’t full sprinting, so cross points of little to no cover with it rather than full sprinting everywhere.

(Eddie) #73

LOL, I’m glad they nerfed Phantom :"D

(BustaClompa) #74

I recall a bunch of Phantom users say He’s no over powered you just need to adapt. Well, now he’s not as strong and they need to adapt and change that play style. Can’t be willy nilly with the katana now. If you are a good player then you will have no problem.

(irishrOy) #75

xD Ooh my god, that’s cringeworthy²

buying obviously OP stuff and then wanting a refund after it’s been balanced xD

I’m sorry, but you Phantoms had it coming…

(Ghosthree3) #76

That’s an interesting way to spell useless.

(watsyurdeal) #77

I bought Phantom fully preparing for the worst, because I’m just the type of masochistic player who would keep playing even with the odds against him. After all, I played Arty for like…my first 50 hours.

(Cesmode) #78

lol@the QQ by all of the phantom babies.

They didn’t nerf phantom nearly as much as they should have.

In a game where it is encouraged to sit together as a team, hunker down and hold a spot such as a turret, a phantom can still easily stealth up to a team of two or three up in a window with a turret, and take them all out with one-shot melee before they know what hit them.

Keep QQ’ing more… Im enjoying it.

(Dirmagnos) #79

Beta state induces certain limitations on game, but also gives devs greater creative space. It also meant to let players know that game is still in transitional state and is subject to various changes, both small and big, or a rather regular basis.
And offering paid services is also part of the development. Its the same development phase as any other. As with balancing mercs, the need to balance prices, rates, security, options, etc for economical system.

To which i argue if the game is good enough they’re willing to take my money then the game is in a stable enough to critque and thus point out problems like bait and switching.

Sorry, but you can’t use an OPEN BETA tag to hide shadey bussiness. Not how it works o_o.

Sorry, but you can use OB to hide shadey bussiness. Its EXACTLY how it works.
And i dont mean some small companies. I mean major publishers like Ubisoft and EA, who are probably the biggest sinners in that area. Any notion of decency and moderation, that most small developers have, is a completely foreign thought to flagships of industry.
SD is actually approaching whole model exactly how F2P should be done. They have only few services, a bare minimum required for testing, in otherwise fully functioning game. Whole bundles thing is simply a side busseness, since they are fairly easy to make.
Ive seen how publishers release clearly op stuff to make maximum profit off it and then nefr it into oblivion… again and again and again. And suckers always fall for it, throwing money on things that will obviously be nefred.
You can and you should critiuque things that you think are out of balance and out of place. Since thats the point of beta. To fix and balance things out.
And if you expect everything to be perfect, they you have a completely wrong notion of what beta is all about.

(Jostabeere) #80

Nerfing melee - Okay
Nerfing HP - Okay
Nerfing shield - Okay
Nerfing cooldown - Okay
Making more visible - Bullshit

[quote=“Cesmode;52184”]lol@the QQ by all of the phantom babies.

They didn’t nerf phantom nearly as much as they should have.

In a game where it is encouraged to sit together as a team, hunker down and hold a spot such as a turret, a phantom can still easily stealth up to a team of two or three up in a window with a turret, and take them all out with one-shot melee before they know what hit them.

Keep QQ’ing more… Im enjoying it.
[/quote]

Also why do such comments come from people who obviously never played Phantom in their life? You could onehit stab only the weakest Mercs (Proxy/Aura/Sparks/Vassili). Nobody is crying about Vassili being a camp-ass and not helping the team because his job is to kill people so they don’t reach the objective. Now Phantom is doing the same but from CQC instead from the other side of the map, and people run berzerk.