Refund offer by Locki

(TracyJackson) #41

Nice offer by him, but I’m sticking this out. This game still does have its potential and I aim to see the game goes onto full release. Hopefully the business with Nexon turns out to be a good one (I’ve played Nexon’s Combat Arms for close to 2 yrs and MapleStory for 4, so I know how Nexon does stuffs a bit).

(Bloodbite) #42

Oh for sure there were bugs, but at least that wasn’t a standard being set for everything at a catastrophic level. Nowadays with the more reliable environment of a mostly unified DirectX field of end users with far fewer chances of bizarre/obscure manufacturer’s-driver problems… and even down to the greater reliability of today’s OS’s (I hate myself for having typed that) and CPU/GPU architectures… catastrophic failures now are even more glaring as signs of laziness or possible incompetence because life is a lot easier. For developers, publishers, end users… compared to the Dos 6.2 days, or Windows 9x/2000 based system flaws, we are living in sci-fi comfort (big **** you Microsoft for the amount of my life wasted figuring out solutions to holes/bugs in your half-arsed products that were never beta tested properly).

I do remember that with WC3 everyone I knew that had problems with it trying their first time install were solved by a simple GPU driver update, not a DRM system that collapsed in on itself and blocked 100% of every poor pre-ordering sap from getting past a splash screen or the like.

I’m just saying, the level of tech we’re at today, the reputation a company like Blizzarrd has ontop of the fact that they take as long as they do to make… whatever it is they’re making (and with such bloated production staffing)… it just doesn’t balance out in favor of the “now.”

D3 versus TL2, regardless of actual preference to the end-user experience… TL2 wins out in everry category except cinematics, and I think that says everything that needs saying about what Blizzard once was with the founding members, and what they are now as one of Kotick’s be$t performing children. From budget to code stability to actual gameplay innovation and product stability… and moving a genuinely finished product on release.

It just bugs me seeing so many games companies hiding behind, and thriving because of superb art and franchise/brand momentum while actual skilled and forward thinking developers get crucified for applying practical logic to a scenario/problem/issue (whether it’s right or wrong in the long term) just because some self-entitled gamers didn’t have their inner child’s ego stroked and appeased.

(0xT1) #43

Is this for >240$ only?
I’m torn about this =[

(neg) #44

Thats prolly because im not going to suggest people spend an extreme amount of money for an alpha when we dont really know what the outcome of the games development will be upon its release…

but hey ‘many’ is subjective

(.FROST.) #45

[QUOTE=neg;466024]everyone i know whos paid the money to get into alpha has requested a refund…

the feeling about the Nexon business seems pretty strong to say the least lmao[/QUOTE]

I don’t know, I don’t think, that whoever requested a refund actually did that specifically because of the Nexon deal. They probably would’ve taken the next train outta this alpha anyways and that was just a nice and convenient way to do it.

I mean Nexon hasn’t already done anything, that would’ve affected us here in the alpha, right? So that whole “hurt-feelings-thing” is basically only unsubstantial bla-bla, that’s solely based on wild guessings.

Developers and publishers are going from zero to hero and back and you can’t tell what’s happening next*. Maybe, and just maybe, Nexon really cares about Extraction and works “his” butt off to get everything right. Maybe they’ve learned from their past. Especially because Extraction is probably going to be their western prestige titel. And they know, if they eff it up this time, everybody will notice that; not only gamers world wide, but developer companies as well.

And I’m pretty sure, that SD has left themselfs a nice little backdoor open, in the contracts, that’d allow them to give Extraction to a different publisher, if really everything is going down south. They probably wouldn’t tell us that, even though it may strengthen our confidence in the game’s future, AT FIRST; but after a little thinking about that, it may turn in the opposite direction and would’ve the potential to weaken our confidence even more; since such a move would only proof that SD themselfs aren’t a 110% sure about their new partner.

Yet I think leaving a backdoor open, to bail-out in a worst case scenario is common practice, but nothing you’d rub under the nose of your customers, since it’d upset them even more; fearful sheeps that we are.

*(James Cameron started his career with Roger Corman movies and Piranha 2. I may be wrong, but he kinda improved since then. People can actually get better in what they are doing; however, they are usually facing a phalanx of naysayers on their way up)

(Bloodbite) #46

Let’s not forget their other titles are for the Korean/Asian market, a place where shameless grindfest p2w titles are joyfully embraced… much to our disgust. At least they’re aware that for them to expand they can’t rely on Asian titles and marketing to work in the same in the west.

(.FROST.) #47

I loled about that^. But you are absolutely right. I pictured this “Justin Wong” kind of asian nerd guy who’s “joyfully” rubbing his hands and throws handsful of money against the screen(the only source of light in an otherwise pitchblack apartment):wink:

I know the following is highly political incorrect, but it’s simply the truth, sorry.

I knew many, many asians, from my time when I was working in a chinese food delivery service(for 5 frickin years); and basically all of them were into some form of gambling. Some more, some less, but it’s kinda part of their recent culture, maybe even ancient culture. Some of those guys had massively gambling problems -some already lost their entire next month’s pay on slot machines and card games and then they’d aske our boss for credit. At least they hadn’t to care about getting something to eat-.

I don’t know if they also enjoyed playing without money involved, but I can say for a fact, that they genuinely prefered to play for/with money. God thanks I’m way too pesimistic to even dream about winning a single Poker match. As a result I’d never ever touch a pair of dice, or a deck of cards, when it’s about playing with RL-money.

Even though P2W isn’t necessariIly gambling (actually it’s kind of the opposite of it, since you can directly influence your “luck”), but it involves money and playing, something that european videogamers* usually don’t appreciate very much. I’d even say they outright despise it. They love to pay upfront(preferably not too much) for a game and then leave it to ingame currencies like gold coins, or XP, or whatever.

BUT that is thoroughly about to change, and it all started with the first(hard-copy-)add ons, carried over to the DLCs and ended up in the vicious circle of P2W and microtransactioning. And in the not so distant future it will be the most normal thing for the average european gamer to spend serious amounts of RL-money to destroy his (not so-)virtual opponents.

And then playing a videogame and spending money will blend together and form a indistinguishable unity. That will change our whole culture. Then nobody will laugh anymore when you’re telling a friend in the sub, that you just spend 53 bucks for that awesome shining armor, in order to impress your virtual girlfriend, “Elvira-[1982]”. And that she really digs it. Then we will be where many of the asien gamers are today. I hope that’s not going to happen and I belive SD when they are saying they don’t want XT to be P2W, but they are just one dev. Giants like EA will surely take microtransactioning to whole different level.

When a company is able to introduce microtransactioning(P2W style) in a game like Dead Space 3, then nothing is safe.

*(we also have a lot of gamblers here ofc, but it’s not a real part of european culture, especially not in middle- and northern-europe)

(hykleri) #48

Is this still a possible option? I’ve sent an e-mail 5 days ago, and no reply yet.

(Stumperd) #49

same for me

(DarkangelUK) #50

I believe Locki was at PAX in the US all week, I’m sure he’ll get to it when he gets back.

(hykleri) #51

Thanks for the quick answer Darkangel

(.FROST.) #52

I know you don’t have to tell anybody why you’ve decided to rather leave the alpha, especially not me personally, but in case you just didn’t thought about it; I think many of us here would like to know, what exactly led you and others to this decision. Just curious.

Thanks
Frost

(trickykungfu) #53

  • People think ah cool beta is not far away and i can get my money back why not

  • People think the game is ****

  • People need money

  • People think supporting SD is cool but now they get their money from Nexon so they don’t need my money.

thats all i can think of

(.FROST.) #54

[QUOTE=trickykungfu;467302]- People think ah cool beta is not far away and i can get my money back why not

  • People think the game is ****

  • People need money

  • People think supporting SD is cool but now they get their money from Nexon so they don’t need my money.

thats all i can think of[/QUOTE]

#1 certainly a factor

#2 yeah, probably, but why exactly, cause that was the question

#3 basically a variation, or a reason for #1

#4 in the end result it will still be only the customers who’d pay SD’s bills, but yeah, maybe they actually got some money from Nexon upfront, but it’s also possible, that they had to pay Nexon upfront, or both parties didn’t received any money whatsoever and wait until the game’s release and until the first F2P items were sold.

(Erkin31) #55

.FROST. : There is no informations about the game for people which are not in the alpha. With no others informations than “FPS for pc players only”, “By developers of ET/ETQW” and the quotations on the main page, It’s easy to think that DB will be a new ET and a old school FPS.

But buy a game without informations is a risky purchase, so it’s principally the fault of the player (However, I found that the quotations on the page which sells the founders pack should be removed).

(.FROST.) #56

[QUOTE=Erkin31;467324].FROST. : There is no informations about the game for people which are not in the alpha. With no others informations than “FPS for pc players only”, “By developers of ET/ETQW” and the quotations on the main page, It’s easy to think that DB will be a new ET and a old school FPS.

But buy a game without informations is a risky purchase, so it’s principally the fault of the player (However, I found that the quotations on the page which sells the founders pack should be removed).[/QUOTE]

Yet I don’t understand where this answers my question.

[QUOTE=.FROST.;467298]I know you don’t have to tell anybody why you’ve decided to rather leave the alpha, especially not me personally, but in case you just didn’t thought about it; I think many of us here would like to know, what exactly led you and others to this decision. Just curious.

Thanks
Frost[/QUOTE]

I just wanted to know why people, who already bought and played the game, wanted to leave it entirely.
But you are right, there was only very little info/media about what the game is going to be like. I was actually surprised to find out, that regardless of that fact, so many people signed up and paid money upfront. But after PAX it kinda changed, since I know of at least 3, more or less thorough, vids about what Extraction is all about. That together with the older vids and the pics on the Nexon page should give you a pretty good picture of XT.

(attack) #57

is it no longer possible to sign in for alpha?

(trickykungfu) #58

sure it is https://secure.warchest.com/dirtybomb/

(Ruben0s) #59

[QUOTE=Jamieson;444837]

  1. Out of W:ET, ETQW and Brink, which game does DB most resemble?
    2. Do you feel purchasing the Legendary pack was worthwhile?
  2. If a member of SD staff respond to 3a and if a member of Alpha answer 3b.
    3A) Are you happy with the level and type of feedback given by your Alpha testers?
    3B) How well do the SD staff listen to your feedback about the game?
  3. What is the time frame for when DB will be going to Beta if that is known, basically is it worth purchasing the Legendary pack to get instant access or a waste if Beta is around the corner anyway?

.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stumperd;444885]1. Never played ETQW or Brink
2. Definitely
3. Very, very well
4. No idea, probably not around the corner[/QUOTE]

LOOOOL, some people just want their money back XD

Well I don’t really like the game (and will probably play if for a few hours only if it gets released, like all the other games nowadays :frowning: ) , so I can understand that people want a refund. But I don’t feel like asking for a refund. I knew about the risks that were involved when joining the closed alpha.

Only thing that sucks though is that splashdamage give us the feeling that we shape the game, but it’s clear that we barely do, I mean classless objectives were a test only, but right now they talk about it in every interview. It’s obvious that they would never return it back.

(attack) #60

im thinking currently how negative we must be about the game and SD :confused:
that SD take a step like this
maybe we should look first in a mirror
and ask us self if we maybe have not show enough respect for their work :confused: