Rant and question...

(puubert) #1

I just finished a round of Fuel Depot that seriously started to make me hate online gaming. Recently I’ve had more and more lopsided games, and tonight was the ultimate. I was Allied, and we got camped so bad we had CONSTANT arty and airstrikes all over the spawn, and eventually Axis were lobbing grenades and shooting panzers inside, and waiting outside the door with flamers. I ended up protesting by lying on the floor in the corner of the spawn. I figure they want the stats, so I’m not gonna let them have the 3XP my life is worth. The same started happening on the next campaign so I left.

This is becoming the norm, and it’s really starting to dishearten me. So, because I think ET is a fucking great game, and when played properly is the best fun, I would like to ask if people could post some servers where arseholes like the above aren’t to be found. I’m in Australia so if that means anything, at least you know.

Thanks.

PS. I just thought of something. Spawn camping is probably one of the biggest XP-whoring tactics in the game. And all these “noobs” that frustate the hell out of people here, perform the same tactic some many people here defend. I don’t get it. I think spawn camping is cheap, and implies that you are not confident enough to face the enemy out on the battlefield, you’ve gotta kill them popping out of the womb, so to speak.

(The_Jesus_Zeppelin) #2

yeah ive been getting camped more and more latly, but if you wait a while a few good player will most likly join your team and then itll turn around. but ive noticed alot of clas have taken up the habit of camping. has anyone else seen this?

but if i make it in time i can snipe em before they get the chance to cross the frozen creek. if one or two get by theres ussually a eng or a fd ops that will cover me.

you know the saddest part, is that some of those sc’s are really decent players, its just sad they have to resort to that.

(Stee) #3

I get frustrated by spawncamping too, but what do u expect the enemy to do? do u expect them to theink “Oh we’re being unfair, lets stop firing our guns and fall back and let them get near the objective without any effort”

Spawncamping just occurs ntaurally 80-90% of the time and most of the time you just have to deal with it. Lying on the floor in the spawn area is just as lame as the camping, maybe a player was waiting to get on the server who could’ve turned things around but u were happy to stay at the spawnpoint contributing NOTHING.

The only map I would moan about Spawncamping is railgun, but thats been done to death.

If only “noobs” spawncamp then what does that say about u and your team?

(dommafia) #4

unline what the others have replied with, i’ll give you an actual server that has a no spawn killing/camping rule… one that i always play and enjoy.

TheFunnyFarm.net
130.13.82.5:27960

Rules: No cussing, spawn camping/killing, No Offending player names, No childish arguments, etc… its a very mature server sort of speak. If you do go there i hope you like it and enjoy.

Map rotation: oasis -> battery -> goldrush -> fuel dump.

Those are all my favorite maps and 4 map rotation is long enough to develop your skills and short enough so that anyone that joins mid rotation is not overly handicapped.

(M.I.L.F.Hunter) #5

hate to be an asshole… but if more people would figure out how to use their dash key and take advantage of the few seconds of “spawn protection” (in outdoor spawns) or not all bottle neck at doors (indoor spawns) and all rush out in a tight pack, spawn killing would not be that much of an issue.

I’ve been pinned in my spawn many times and raped non stop by panzers and air strikes, but rather than stand there like a retard shooting the field ops who just tossed a smoking can in our spawn, I dash like hell and not only do I not get spawn killed, I don’t obstruct the exit and cause my team to be killed either.

I’m sorry but if you expect people to just “let you walk across ½ the map� because you view it as “fair�, you need to get a clue.

People play to win, and locking the offensive team down as far away from the objective as possible is a smart way to achieve a successful defense.

If you are getting locked down in your spawn for 20 minutes straight, your team is the one doing something wrong.

(amazinglarry) #6

Right on Milf… I couldn’t agree more. Here’s a few reasons why…

  1. The BEST way of making certain the other team will not win is if they’re not alive… which is why everyone is equipped with a weapon, to kill an opponent. So what better way to keep the enemy team dead than by stopping them at their source? Their spawn…

  2. If an ENTIRE TEAM with 3 seconds of invulnerability time can’t take out at the very LEAST one or two enemies who have no such invulnerability and have to trek across the entire map to get back to “spawncamping” then there’s something seriously wrong with your team, and you most likely. I’m aware not everyone who plays this game is a spectacular shot but use some tactics, escape, go panzer, do whatever it takes to break the hold so you can get something going. Most importantly… DON’T BE A PUSSY! All too often I notice the team that gets spawncamped the most is the team that is too afraid to leave the spawn! You’re just sitting ducks there, and all you’re doing is giving the other team more time to come back to spawn camp you. MOVE OUT! Run away! Charge! Do anything EXCEPT stand there and hide!!!

  3. I play a lot of league play etc and Spawn Camping is completely legit, and it’s a great tactic to use. I realize we’re not all competing here but I’ve come to accept the fact that I’ll be camped, and I’ll camp. I’ve never been held the entire time by any kind of spawncamping, even when teams were lopsided in the camping sides favor.

So the way I see it is it’s just something you have to accept in order to play the game and enjoy it to it’s fullest. I hate servers that kick/ban people for spawn camping… there’s no rules that come with the game that say "Ok well if set team has this area, one cannot go past this imaginary line, because it’s too close to their spawn.

Sorry for the rant… I just hate people who whine about Spawn Camping… get over it and move on, please!

(Englander) #7

If your getting spawn camped an whole round then clearly one team is better than the other in skill,this happens in ET & RTCW on pub servers ,U just after take the rough with the smooth,we all know a balance in teams makes for the best games but you cant always get that balance on PUBS if u dont like whats happening on a server then disconnect and find another.

(M.I.L.F.Hunter) #8

you also have to remember what goes around, comes around, so to speak.

sure the axis gets spawn raped on rail gun, but the allies take it up the can non stop on battery.

hell, the whole goal for the axis on battery is to pin them in their spawn, more or less.

don’t get me wrong, if I know the other team is full of newer players who have no clue what to do, I won’t spawn kill because it’s like beating up a kid in a wheel chair.

Not to mention I don’t want some guys very first game of ET to be full of nothing but frustration.

But if the other team has decent players then I will use any means I can to shut them down for no other reason than:

good players on the opposing team = a threat to our team
my job = stop the threat

(puubert) #9

If people think it’s fine, that’s cool. I think it’s a cheap tactic that deprives EVERYONE of a good game. Whenever my teams push the enemy back to the spawn, I run off and do something else. I don’t see the point of doing it. If you’ve got it so much over the opposition, why are you worried about them getting out? You can let them push forward, then push them back. All this “elimintating the threat”, “it’s the other teams fault” is bullshit. It only happens because people want it to happen. The only legitimate reason I can see for spawn camping is the XP from all the easy kills. Spawn killers = XP whores.

Thanks to the people who responded to the question. I’ll be checking those servers out.

As for everyone else who jumped to defend their precious spawn camping, I notice you didn’t bother to address my PS. Spawn camping is a form of XP-whoring. Why is this tactic allowed, and others forms of XP-whoring abhored? I still don’t get it.

(skinner) #10

i dont think there is anything wrong with spawncamping, it happens in wars (ok soldiers dont ‘spawn’ in real wars but you know what i mean)… imagine the headlines ‘Hitler kicked from WWII for spawn camping’

(mouse) #11

get real. Its a game, people play to have fun. Is it funny? no.

(puubert) #12

get real. Its a game, people play to have fun. Is it funny? no.[/quote]

Exactly. Spawn camping ruins the entire point of the game. It’s not fun for the side being camped, and it’s not fun for the other members of the camping teams who want to play a good match.

(sniser2) #13

But it can only happen when one team is way better than the other one. In that case you won’t have a good match either way. Read that sentence until you get it :banghead:

And how is it a good game if one team “takes it easy” so the other one has a chance? I expect my enemies to do ALL they can to stop me, and I want to do the same. Just like I wouldn’t want my sex partner to fake an orgasm, where’s the fun haha!

I have never seen, NOT A SINGLE TIME, a game where allies said “hey let’s ease up, hey engi slow down”. If there is a window of opportunity, it gets used. So why shouldn’t that work both ways?

Killing = XP whoring? Heh.

I don’t like spawncamping, but not because it’s unfair, just because it’s dumb: often enough someone sneaks thru and blows the objective. Also it’s just not logical, IMHO it’s better to let them loose time, THEN kill them. Being closer to your own spawn also increases the chance of getting revived by a freshly spawned medic should you get killed.

(puubert) #14

Firstly,

Killing = XP whoring? Heh.

Don’t put fucking words in my mouth. I said;

Spawn killers = XP whores.

When the teams are so uneven, people will call for an XP shuffle, the only people who vote no, are the people who want to keep on dominating. Either because they need the ego rush, or they want the stats. If you do something for the stats, you are an XP whore. That seems to be the definition.

The bottom line is that ET is a GAME, and games are supposed to be fun. Spawn killing makes the game LESS fun. That’s why I don’t do it, and that’s why I don’t like people doing it to me. If the teams are uneven, XP shuffle and get on with it. If you, or anyone else, takes the game so seriously, join a damn clan and play with other serious people. Leave the people who wanna have some fun to themselves.

(sniser) #15

Either because they need the ego rush

Hahah! It’s always the people who take getting owned personal who seem to assume the one owning them takes it personal too. Have you ever considered that

a.) keep moving
b.) look for enemies and kill them

can automatically lead to spawn kills if the other team is way underpowered? Huh?

(sniser) #16

Oops. Instead of a second reply I edited my post, here’s the first reply:

Awww, calm down! Where’s the difference? Spawn killing in the end is just killing? You don’t get more XP for killing someone near spawn, you just tend to kill more.

Either because they need the ego rush, or they want the stats. If you do something for the stats, you are an XP whore. That seems to be the definition.

Ahuh. So how do you know they vote no because of stats? How do you know they spawn camp because of stats? That’s like saying “you do X either because of Y or Z, and because people into Z are called Z’ers all X’ers are Z’ers”… it’s just not logical.

The bottom line is that ET is a GAME, and games are supposed to be fun.

Yeah. And there are games like rolling dice, and there are games like chess. The later type HAS to be taken “seriously” to some degree to be fun. Else there would be no point in winning, there would never be a reason to congratulate your opponent.

Bugger off with your assumptions about me or my style of play HEH. You’re the one who seems frustrated here. I’m having fun, and I think people playing with me have fun too.

(Sauron|EFG) #17

An XP whore is also someone who’s primary goal is to get XP, not to help the team. Don’t take this as defense of spawn camping, but it is possible that the camper doesn’t care about stats and is doing it purely to help his team win, and then he’s not an XP whore.

(M.I.L.F.Hunter) #18

An XP whore is also someone who’s primary goal is to get XP, not to help the team. Don’t take this as defense of spawn camping, but it is possible that the camper doesn’t care about stats and is doing it purely to help his team win, and then he’s not an XP whore.[/quote]

100% correct.

A team mate of mine has as is “job” the sole purpose of locking down *certain people in their spawn with a panzer (on indoor maps where they bottle neck out of small doors like the indoor American spawn point on fuel depot after they get the tank through).

If he was an “XP whore” he would shoot anything that walks out the door, but he will hide and ignore lesser players and only target that group of engineers/medics that is giving us a hard time.

He’s doing it solely for the benefit of the team, we know once these guys make it out and near our base chances are they are going to take the objective or at the very least, get very damn close every time.
By sending a guy who is clever and knows how to get the jump on people to pin them down, we eliminate our most serious threat.

I’m sorry but saying spawn killing = XP whoring is just plain asinine.

It sounds like something that a “lets see how many uniforms I can run around and get while my team goes for the tank” type of player would say… if you know what I mean.

(amazinglarry) #19

It’s of my personal opinion that it’s NOT easier to kill people in the spawn. If you think it is you’re out in some far distant world. Look at this…

  1. 3 second invulnerability time (that means a panzer can spawn, go point blank within those 3 seconds and blast the spawncamper to hell, and not hurt himself OR any teammates.

  2. Your team is more localized and it’s tougher to kill a whole group of people then just one person. If you’re entire team can’t take at LEAST one with you, then… well shotgun a beer or something…

Those are just a couple examples off the top of my head that I can think of. Spawncamping is NOT XP Whoring. It’s NOT garunteed XP by any means, it’s pretty dangerous if you’re the team camping because as sniser2 pointed out it’s easier for somebody to slip by, blow the objective and win the game.

I stand by my words of saying that it’s solely to stop the threat at it’s source. The object of both teams is to push foward. Never backward… so why stop pushing foward ever?

Regardless why should anyteam “Let up” on the other team? to make it more fun for whom? If the team getting spawncamped is THAT BAD that NOBODY can leave the spawn, what makes anybody think they’re going to beat the objective? It’s simply not going to happen anyways because the slaughter will continue, only in a different place, you won’t have 3 seconds of invulnerability and you have a lot more of a map to trek across…

Besides, any way you look at it, a kill is 3xp… and what’s it matter if it’s at the spawn or at the objective… essentially what you’re saying is that killing is XP whoring…

What about being the guy that builds the bridge? Repairs the tank? Blows the CP? Are they not XP whoring?

You’ll say no because “It’s what the team has to do in order to advance an win.” Yeah… well so is killing the other team. :drink:

(puubert) #20

Doesn’t mean I have to like it.