And this is the entire rub. To date, SD has simply ignored this issue. They simply continue to pretend that their oversight is not an issue yet it continues to be brought up by players ever since the difference between the COGA and Greeneye was first uncovered.
Would it really be that difficult to have included a ‘Jelly’ Scope with the first DLC as a means of balancing the abilities of the Greeneye? Instead, we are still debating this issue when it should have been fixed with Agents of Change.
Tbh it’s not really a massive issue. I know, I know; we just had this conversation but honestly the equip speed and peripheral vision issues are minor compared to some of the other additions this game warrants like new content and gameplay issues.
Perhaps in a future patch it’ll be a sidenote; “Greeneye Equip Speed penalty increased” or “Greeneye is now identical to the COGA in every way”. Who knows?
Regards,
Nexo
fyi. i think they equalized the equip speed issue…need to check, but remember not seeing a difference anymore. (i remember lots of things that didnt happen though)
not arguing with your point, just correcting my own mistake (previous post) since it directly addresses one (but not both) of your issues with greeneye and sea eagle.
there is no equip speed difference between greeneye/coga (or other scopes) on the pistols. there is a very small difference for the Ritchie/Belgo, a small difference for the SMGs, and just a bit more for ARs (although my equip speed penalty is already maxed with the shield)…and none of these appear to be as much as some of the clips or grips.
i used to use sea eagle as a handheld sniper (with greeneye) before the patch. it was always a little tricky and likely to end with you getting gunned down by someone not bothering with ADS, but this is a lot less viable now (post-patch). this seems fair.
Making pre-order content available in any way after a game is released negates the “pre-order” part of the content, invalidates the whole concept of pre-ordering, and it’s a real kick in the balls to those of us that went to the effort to pre-order the game in the first place.
-JJ
[QUOTE=Jimmy James;365340]Making pre-order content available in any way after a game is released negates the “pre-order” part of the content, invalidates the whole concept of pre-ordering, and it’s a real kick in the balls to those of us that went to the effort to pre-order the game in the first place.
-JJ[/QUOTE]
But when the pre-order content in question affects gameplay involving PvP competition, that argument goes out the window.
The greeneye isn’t as advantageous as people around here would have you think (including me: i was all fired about it when i first started using it…now i only equip it on some of my guns).
While it has more peripheral vision compared to the COGA (in that it has any), the actual scope coverage of the screen is a little smaller, and the frame of the scope itself is rather thick…it actually creates a few blindspots because of this. Additionally, the spread of the weapons is such that a scope that gives you the sense you are more accurate (i.e. b/c it zooms) actually causes problems when you try to shoot at opponents that are otherwise outside of range.
I’m not arguing whether they should release the pre-order content here (although as long as the model remains $59 games that go on sale within days or weeks, i do think devs will continue to be motivated to get people to lock into purchases in advance- and if they remove that bonus, people will just wait, etc etc (i think that’s a dumb model, but that’s what it is for now)
…just that if your concern is competitive balance, imho you have nothing to worry about.
Eh, I’m not really concerned about balance in Brink anymore. After taking a break from the game and trying it out again after the DLC (and more importantly balance tweaks) hit the 360, I’ve lost interest in the game. I like the objective based gameplay, but the guns feel terrible as a whole. It’s a brick wall that I simply cannot hurdle over.
Regardless of whether the pre-order content affects gameplay. If I bought it early and it gives me an advantage over people who didn’t get the pre-order that’s perfectly acceptable in my opinion. My wife and I got the pre-order Fallout packs and though it’s only new skins and not a “GreenEye” I don’t mind, and I have no desire to try to acquire the other pre-order packs.
I guess, what it really comes down to is that I’m just a purist at heart. Or possibly I’m obsessive-compulsive in the extreme. Take your pick.
-JJ
[QUOTE=Jimmy James;365426]Regardless of whether the pre-order content affects gameplay. If I bought it early and it gives me an advantage over people who didn’t get the pre-order that’s perfectly acceptable in my opinion. My wife and I got the pre-order Fallout packs and though it’s only new skins and not a “GreenEye” I don’t mind, and I have no desire to try to acquire the other pre-order packs.
I guess, what it really comes down to is that I’m just a purist at heart. Or possibly I’m obsessive-compulsive in the extreme. Take your pick.
-JJ[/QUOTE]
Well, there’s a problem with that ideology. If a pre-order item you have has a significant effect on the balance of a PvP game, what then? Would you still cling to the notion that other players who didn’t pre-order from the same retailer you did simply shouldn’t have access to it, regardless of how it could damage the game’s chance at success and sense of community? The only reason SD is able to ignore the Greeneye issue is because it doesn’t provide a major advantage. If we were talking about a pre-order exclusive weapon that wasn’t just a model swap and actually added diversity to the weapon selection? SD would be in some pretty deep **** if you ask me.
I say they should sell them seperately. Why?
Because Caesar is to Ritche, as Hockler is to Belgo. They’re the EXACT same Weapons, just re-skinned and called something else. But, they behave in every similar way possible.
THE ONLY PO item that WAS different from the rest was the Greeneye Scope. Because it allowed you to actually see around you like Adjusted Iron Sights/Red Dot would. (COGA doesn’t).
So, if anything release JUST the Greeneye Scope? If not then just release them all and sell them for like 400 MSP each? (Hell even 800 if NEED be…)
I’d gladly give my Supressor/Caesar Revolver for a Greeneye Scope, EASILY. I want that thing so bad… i’m looking @ you Rokstedi… =)
I didn’t even think that they were pre-order bonuses. I bought my game for 40€ and it was titled “Nordic Edition” or something and it included codes for the bonuses. So I already voted ‘Yes’.
In my opinion they do not change too much. So gameplay wise it doesn’t change a thing whether they made it free or not. You can’t really figure who has the bonuses and who has not, because even the extra SMG has close to identical stats with the bulpdaun one.
Just a minor FYI:
Some people say that people didn’t pay for the pre-order bonuses (other than ebay etc ofc): This is incorrect. Certain dubious cash-grubbing bandits (GAME.co.uk) had a pre-order and a “Special edition” pre-order (which cost more). The standard preorder was just the game. The special edition was the game + 2 preorder codes (Spec ops and Doom iirc) and they still sell a special edition with the codes for more than a standard edition (I guess they have leftover codes).
So some people did, in fact, pay extra for the bonuses.
Personally I’m torn over releasing them and not. I have the spec ops and like the fact I was rewarded with something special for pre-ordering. I think the green-eye should be released since it’s not just a reskin, but I’m not sure about everything else.
Maybe they should just have raffles and competitions giving away some codes so that people still have a chance of getting the bonuses without releasing them so that everyone has them (thus devaluing them)?
Nah. I’d rather time be spent on more Maps. Let the pre-order guys have their exclusivity. There are plenty of other stuff to choose that came with the game. Don’t hate me. 
cos i did pay extra for my special edition. a whole £3!
Puts greeneye on Ritchie and rokstedi and laughs evily!
and its a PRE ORDER bonus, i payed extra and supported the game earlier for it. Without that i lose all value in it. the greeneye does not change much, just a slightly higher zoom D-Flex.
If you release even one of the items marked “pre order” you are breaking a code of conduce to your customers
Why not make them free? Because they were a PRE ORDER bonus. If you didn’t pre order, you shouldn’t get them.
I think it should be stated again that the issue here is not making every single pre-order item free for everyone. The issue is that one of the pre-order items that is not simply aesthetic is unavailable to anyone else but those with that specific pre-order code. This is completely and totallay unfair as my non-aesthetic pre-order items are available in-game to everyone with the game. Why is the Greeneye the only exception to this rule?
Better yet, just release a Redeye Scope and make it a reskinned version of the Greeneye just like the Hockler is a reskin of the Belgo or the Caesar is a reskin of the Ritchie, etc. Even the pre-order bonus Silencers, Soda Can and Ark Tactical, are just reskinned versions of the in-game Silencers. Again, why is the Greeneye the only exception to this?
I believe I answered all those questions in the post you quoted. I’m not going to repeat myself.
SD must be quaking in their boots. (See what I did there.)
-JJ
EDIT:
This.
I have the greeneye scope and I gotta say, it’s a situational piece for me at best. I basically only use it for my bulpadaun, sea eagle, rok, and sniper rifles. I find on the rest of the smg/ar have so much recoil when aiming that far that it’s actually more useful to use iron sights or a red dot for me. I think the pre-order content should be exactly that; content available to those who pre-ordered the game, or bought it near release day. That is of course unless they have players pay $25 for it, since I bought the game for $60 on release day, and my only reward for paying that much and going through the terrible issues on release day is my pre-order clothing, heckler, and greeneye scope.