Port for Linux.


(IRATA) #121

Looks like there is no real technical barrier to port the game to a Linux client which is a positive info (@RR2DO2 correct me if I’m wrong) . From a linux user point of view I can only say there is no real alternative to ET atm. None of the other existing games offer as much fun as ET did in the past and still does.

Rewrite the success story and port it.


(Nail) #122

afaik, Bethesda has made no games for Linux, could be a manpower issue


(Floris) #123

Bethesda uses DirectX.

If BRINK is going to use Steam there is a technological reason why it would be harder to port the game over.

@ThunderWank I have probably used more versions of Windows (1.0, 3.1, 3.11, 95, 98, 2000, ME, XP, Vista) than you have so I talk out of my own experience. And no, my opinion about Windows isn’t just based on ME and Vista :wink:


(ThunderWank) #124

[QUOTE=Dormamu;204089]as in stupid? Then, if is stupid to have a gaming rig that runs on Linux, i can go further and say that is also stupid to make games for Linux? And if SD make’s games for Linux, are you saying that SD is “foolish”?

When we try to compare Windows to Linux to other SO, first we need to learn all about them … and wen we do that… at the end we realize that all, are only tools. Saying that your tool is shinier than mine or mine is better than yours… is foolish. As long as you are happier with your OS i don’t see the point in trying to start a Windows vs Linux war. It will help Brink? No. It will help you be more happy about your OS choice? Yes.[/QUOTE]

The second you used a logical fallacy I stopped reading.


(Maxz) #125

If there was a Linux version, I’d definitely buy Brink.
Brink is looking pretty sweet (especially that parcour system) and I’d surely enjoy playing it.
I don’t like solutions like Wine, Crossover or Cedega though. Stuff never runs as intended with those.
So for me it’s either native or not at all. I’d be really happy if you’d find the time to release a Linux binary.


(ThunderWank) #126

For some reason I keep getting the idea that all of these one post accounts are the same person :rolleyes:


(Maxz) #127

I’m definitely a “new person”…
As in “I never had an account on this board before”.


(ThunderWank) #128

[QUOTE=Maxz;204174]I’m definitely a “new person”…
As in “I never had an account on this board before”.[/QUOTE]

Yes, just like mother doesn’t have moustache and a voice deeper then mine…oh wait…


(Maxz) #129

Maybe those quotes are put a bit strangely, but I can assure you that I’ve never been here before and don’t have any other account…

Why don’t you do something constructive instead of flaming people in this thread?


(Linux-user) #130

[QUOTE=ThunderWank;204045]Don’t take offence to this all you Linux users but what exactly are the benefits of using Linux?
AAfter doing some minimal searching it seems that a Mac or PC iseems to beat Linux in every category.
And the idea of having a gaming rig that runs on Linux just seems foolish.[/QUOTE]

I use Linux (and also Mac OS X Snow Leopard on my MacBook), but I don’t use Windows and I don’t want to use Windows, because Windows is a frustrating operating system and I hate Microsoft.

My experience with Windows:
I install Windows XP on my system, but when the installation is finineshed, the following happens:
First there’s a balloon offering me to take a tour. No, I don’t want to take a tour. I click the close button and there’s the next balloon telling me the system might be at risk. Go away, this system isn’t at risk, because the network drivers aren’t even installed. At the other side of the screen I can see a balloon telling me I can start by clicking “Start”. Yeah, what do you think I am? An idiot? I’ve got eyes, so I can see there’s an ugly green button called “Start”. Windows XP also tells me it needs to be activated. Go away. That’s something to do when everything is up and running.

I go to the Device Manager and I see 11 unsupported pieces of hardware (Yes, those are ELEVEN pieces of unsupported hardware). Time to search for some drivers. I want the most recent drivers, so I’m going to download, instead of searching for those CD’s containing the drivers. The network card isn’t supported out-of-the-box, so I’m going to download the drivers from another machine.

The PC is using wireless network, so I’m going to download the drivers for the wireless network card. I download these drivers using my Linux machine and put the drivers on a USB stick. I put connect the USB stick to the Windows machine and there’s that irritating balloon again:

  • Found new hardware…
  • Busy installing new hardware…
  • New hardware is installed, but might not work properly untill reboot…
    That balloon is driving me nuts. Why does Windows have to tell me everything it’s doing? Just install the new hardware and shut up! Why should I reboot? It’s just a USB stick and it works without rebooting.

I install the driver for the wireless network card and I have to reboot. After the reboot I still can’t connect to my wireless network, because I use WPA2-encryption which isn’t supported out-of-the-box. Back to my Linux machine to download a patch from Microsofts website to get WPA2 support in Windows XP. I click on the download button and it tells me I need to pass the WGA test. Hello Microsoft, this is machine is running Linux. How do you think I’m going to pass this WGA test? Yes, from a Windows machine, but that Windows machine can’t pass the WGA test, because it can’t connect to my wireless network. That’s why I’m trying to download this update.

There’s no wired internet connection in this room, so there we go:

  • Shutting down the Windows PC;
  • Disconnecting al the cables;
  • Carry my PC downstairs;
  • Go back upstairs and pick up the monitor to carry it downstairs;
  • Go back upstairs to pick up the keyboard, mouse and cables;
  • Place everything next to the router, connect the cables and come to the conclusion all wall outlets are in use, so I need to find a multiple socket;
  • Time to move the TV cabinet so I can unplug the TV, the DVD player, the hard disk recorder and take the multiple socket to the PC so I can connect the PC to the AC power.

There we are, ready to pass the WGA test, so I can download the update and I can connect to my wireless network. I boot the PC, but there’s no network connection. True, I installed the drivers for the wireless network card and then moved my PC downstairs, but the drivers for the wired network card aren’t installed yet. Back to my Linux system to download the appropriate drivers, put them on the USB stick and back downstairs to install the drivers on the PC.

I install the drivers, go to Microsofts website, pass the WGA test, download and install the update and there we go again: Shut down the PC, disconnect all cables and move everything back upstairs.

Hours later we’ve finally got all of the hardware working. Finally all of the “Unknown Devices” in Device Manager are gone and it’s time to install all of the updates from Windows Update:

  • It starts with “Windows needs to insall an update for Windows Update to be able to install updates” (Logic at Microsoft? Never heard of.);
  • I install this update and we can go on installing updates;
  • There’s a Service Pack available, so I let Windows Update download and install this Service Pack, which is an extremely slow process;
  • The Service Pack is installed and Windows needs to be rebooted (again);
  • After the reboot I start Windows Update again and there are 35 updates;
  • There’s also a driver for my graphics card available, so I let Windows Update download and install these updates, including the driver for my graphics card;
  • Of course Windows needs a reboot;
  • After the reboot I can conclude Windows Update installed a wrong driver for my graphics card, because my screen resolution has changed to 640 x 480 @ 16 colors and there’s no way to set a higher resolution and more colors;
  • I rollback the graphics driver and Windows needs to reboot;
  • After the reboot everything looks normal again and I go on installing updates;
  • Windows Updates offers me to install an updated graphics driver again;
  • No, go away!!! So I select to never show me this update again and I install the other available updates;
  • A reboot is needed.

Finally everything is up and running. It took me a whole day, but now everything works. Now I want to open a .pdf file: Ow yeah, Windows can’t handle these files out-of-the-box, so we need to download Acrobat Reader to be able to view these files. Additional software is needed to be able to watch a DVD, you need to install anti-virus, anti-spyware, anti-adware. It makes your system even slower, but you need it. If you don’t install these anti-x applications, you better keep the installation disc at hand, because you’ll need it within a few days.

A few weeks later I buy a new graphics card. I install this graphics card in my system and I boot my system. Right, Windows needs to be re-activated, because I changed my hardware. It wasn’t the first time I installed Windows on this system, so during the years I’ve reached the activation limit, so I had to call Microsoft to be able to use the operating system I bought.

Calling Microsoft? No, instead of calling those bastards I thought: “Enough! Enough! ENOUGH!!! I’ve had ENOUGH of Microsoft! This disc of Windows XP is going to burn in the fire place and the hard disk is going from NTFS to EXT3. Nothing from Microsoft on this system! Nothing from Microsoft in this house!”

Everything from Microsoft is gone now. I even removed the “Designed for Windows XP / Windows Vista Capable” stickers from my systems and I scratched every Windows logo of my keyboards.

Now my experience with Linux:

  • Pop in the CD;
  • Answer about six questions (username, password and such);
  • Installation takes about 15 minutes and the system is rebooted;
  • Remove the CD and when I logon and the desktop appears it asks me to install the available updates and it asks if I want the hardware acceleration for my graphics card by installing nVidias drivers;
  • I want to do this and after ONE reboot and only TEN minutes later my system is completely up to date and all of the hardware works;

It took less than half an hour to install the operating system and completely update my system. I open a .pdf file, I open a .odt file and even a .doc file. Everything just works out of the box. Only thing left is to install one package which installs support for Flash, Java, .wmv and such formats. This package can’t be included by default, because of legal issues in some countries.

That’s it. Everything works and I can replace whatever hardware I like. I can replace my graphics card, my sound card or I can even move my hard disk to a completely other system. It won’t complain, it won’t need new drivers, it just works. When replacing a Windows hard disk to a new system you’re a very lucky man if you don’t encounter a BSOD when booting the system and IF it succeeds to boot, you can again start hunting for drivers and do a re-activation (which will result in calling Microsoft to beg for an additional activation).

My experience with Mac OS:

  • Pop in the DVD;
  • Choose Language;
  • Next;
  • Next;
  • Next;
  • Reboot;
  • Answer a few questions;
  • You’re on the desktop and you can install a few updates;
  • Reboot;
  • Install remaining updates;
  • Reboot;
  • Done.

The process of installing Mac OS takes about 40 minutes and installing the updates takes about 15 minutes. Within an hour you’re ready and everything works. Pop in a DVD and it starts to play, pop in a CD and you can listen to it, Flash works out-of-the-box, Java works out-of-the-box, .pdf files can be opened out-of-the-box.

Both operating systems (Linux and Mac OS) don’t need anti-virus, anti-spyware, anti-adware, I don’t need to enter any product keys, I don’t need to activate, they don’t want to reboot after every movement of the mouse, the process of downloading and installing updates is fast and safe, everything works out-of-the-box and they aren’t developed by Microsoft. That last part is very important to me, because I hate those guys and don’t want to support them in any way. You want to know why I hate them? No, really, you don’t want to know. This already isn 't a short relpy, but if I start to talk about the way Microsoft does its business this reply will be even ten times as long as it’s now, so I’ll just leave it this way. I don’t want to damage the scroll wheel of your mouse. I even think Internet Explorer can’t handle such great amount of text and I don’t want to damage your browser, so I’ll just leave it this way.


(ThunderWank) #131

You know you can pay the guys at staples 20 bucks to do all that for you…

My experience with Windows.

  1. Plug shit in.
  2. Make Account.
  3. ???
  4. Profit.

You Linux users make me feel racist…


(HamishWilson) #132

Thunderwank, if you are not trying to be rude maybe you should stop posting. Even if that is not your intention you are still upsetting people…

BTW: I stopped using Windows after Microsoft tried to cripple XP with updates to force you to use Vista. Plus I think having a CLI interface available (note, available, not mandatory) for use is sexy… :stuck_out_tongue:

Tip: Launch a game from CLI using a command such as “xinit quake3” will increase your Frames Per Second. And considering Linux games usually have higher FPS anyway…


(Salteh) #133

Don’t worry - we do check these things! :stroggtapir:

Now… regardless of what operating system you’re using, let’s all get along :slight_smile:


(murka) #134

[quote=Linux-user;204177]you need to install anti-virus, anti-spyware, anti-adware. It makes your system even slower, but you need it. If you don’t install these anti-x applications, you better keep the installation disc at hand, because you’ll need it within a few days.

A few weeks later I buy a new graphics card. I install this graphics card in my system and I boot my system. Right, Windows needs to be re-activated, because I changed my hardware. It wasn’t the first time I installed Windows on this system, so during the years I’ve reached the activation limit, so I had to call Microsoft to be able to use the operating system I bought.[/quote]

I never used any anti-x software, even deleted windows firewall etc and i don’t recall having any viruses or trojans or whatever.

I think i’m on my 6th activation with this PC and never had to call anyone at Microsoft. Out of these 6, 4 are hardware changes. Also, when i installed my PSU/RAM/GFX i didn’t need to re-activate(these parts arrived earlier). I remember activation only being a 3click process.

While i agree linux is somewhat better, i use Windows because everything is easier and i don’t need to fiddle about for hours getting x or y working. After a format i let windows search for drivers, it finds everything i need. My previous pc needed motherboard drivers installed for the network card to work, but after that it was a simple wait and restart.
Now IIRC off the top of my head the last linux i used didn’t support half/most wireless cards out-of-the-box.

Also, you don’t have to reboot every time it asks you to do it. I install everything and do only 1(ONE) reboot.


(DarkangelUK) #135

No offence linux-user, but a lot of that sounds made up. I bought my 1st PC with absolutely no clue of what to do and didn’t have half the issues you’re referring to. Again, maybe it’s best you keep things simple for your own good :slight_smile:


(darthmob) #136

[QUOTE=murka10;204201]I never used any anti-x software, even deleted windows firewall etc and i don’t recall having any viruses or trojans or whatever.[/QUOTE]How would you know if your system is infected if you don’t have any sort of software against it running? That’s really careless!

I once got a virus in the 5 minutes after installing the system and downloading antivir + firefox. I have no idea how the hell that happened but it did. And the first time I bought something on Steam while running Windows was a shock as well as Steam only supports IE to make your payment with Paypal.

There is an interesting paper on a botnet takeover to download here. It shows how a specific bot works which is fascinating and scary at the same time. Logins, bank accounts, emails - that bot collects everything and you would never know it happened.

PS: You can invest a lot of time in fixing stuff on both Windows and Linux. It always depends on what you are doing and what hardware you have got. As always Xkcd finds the best ways to describe that.


(murka) #137

Well, unless i get some slowdowns/issues with my pc or losing money from my bank account, i do not see a reason to fear. I think i ran some antivirus program once(got 30day trial free when bought a HDD) and it came up empty.

Unless someone proves this behavior is risky, i will continue.


(HamishWilson) #138

Well, I can only speak for myself, but I occasionally play around with Avast Anti-Virus on my Fedora Linux box, and it occasionally finds things - Win32 viruses that is. It found them in some archives I download and one was trying to hide in my WINE directory. Not that they could do any harm, but still, delete.

murka10, you do what you want, though I must warn you never to trust in just one program. We have to have about five or six different anti-viral and anti-spyware tools running on the few remaining Windows machines on our network. They all find things the other’s do not. Though I must warn you, they seem to have some built-in anti-competitive behavior (they often accuse the other tools as being spy-ware)… :stuck_out_tongue:


(elslunko) #139

Viruses, malware, what have you – my preferred OS is still a Linux based distro so I’m throwing my hat or vote if you will in for a Linux port. It’s difficult if not impossible to tell what the Linux market may actually look like if we didn’t get over our general lazyness to make our voices heard so here simply am I making it known that at least one more potential customer would appreciate a linux port.

Also : :stroggbanana:


(ThunderWank) #140

I’m asking questions about their OS not insulting their omnipresent being of choice, I’m sure they’ll manage. Reagardless Linux now owns the crown for most dedicated fanboys in ma books.