People cheat…
Suck it up, shut the fuck up AND move on!
Or go apply to punkbuster.
If you’re going to do neither then submit all known cheats and hacks to punkbuster/evenbalance. We know people cheat, it’s a sad fact of life but so is the fact that some day kittens and puppies die.
Enough already. What’s the freakin debate all about?
Well, I think part of the problem is that there are cheats that punkbuster doesn’t detect. It would be fine if we could just identify and fix them, but alot of times these fixes don’t come quickly. The “debate” is about whether or not it’s easy to detect certain kinds of cheating (some it is, some it is not) to take appropriate actions, or how to reduce the effects of these cheats until an update comes out (which is not always quickly).
By and large, I think punkbuster is an overwhelmingly GOOD thing for Enemy Territory. It will not catch every cheat out there, but it catches many, and the PB guys work tirelessly to deal with the new cheats that come out all the time.
I would say that almost all clan competition is cheat free, although we usually catch the bad apples, who are summarily banned. I suspect that there are even a few more cheaters in leagues that do not get caught, but I think it is a small minority. Most clans have “honor” and “ethics” in regards to competition.
AND props to them for supporting a FREE game. (or is someone footing the bill?)
–F
You’ll be happy to know I have a full beard now… but anyways fuck you. 
Yea man I mean all props to Punkbuster for supporting a free game. Like I said things are fine for me the way they are… cheaters don’t got shit on me. I mean sure it sucks for some people out there but there AREN’T cheaters in every server… and whenever (if ever) we have any in my server they’re banned immediately without question. Although we’re always positive (we’re not stupid when we spectate people… if somebody’s shooting through a wall tracking somebody and they finally come out of the wall, they’re using a wallhack, I don’t care what anybody says)
I’m happy to say we’ve made our server public again! For a good time, call 69.25.24.54:27960 The newly revived Hole! Welcome back to Donut’s Hole!
Sadly that means nothing Punkbuster bans take 2 seconds to get around. IP bans are the same, for most users.
In RTCW, someone who cheated a lot would have found themself with less and less servers to play on each time their newest cheat got detected. Pretty soon, they would have to buy a new cd. In ET, they just get a new GUID, a new IP and they are back.
Yeah, well that’s the tradeoff for having a wonderful free game. And it doesn’t affect many people that play in leagues.
“I’m happy to say we’ve made our server public again! For a good time, call 69.25.24.54:27960 The newly revived Hole! Welcome back to Donut’s Hole!”
This weekend you will be sore .
Sadly that means nothing Punkbuster bans take 2 seconds to get around. IP bans are the same, for most users.
In RTCW, someone who cheated a lot would have found themself with less and less servers to play on each time their newest cheat got detected. Pretty soon, they would have to buy a new cd. In ET, they just get a new GUID, a new IP and they are back.[/quote]
Yes, they can get a new GUID for ET in seconds, but if they’re kicked by PunkBuster for using a hack, they’re gonna get kicked again next time they use it, new GUID or not. They’ve not only got to get a new GUID (easy) but they’ve also got to get a new hack (maybe not so easy).
Obviously, if they’ve been GUID banned by a server Admin (based on spec’ing, demos, PB ss etc.) that’s a different story, but don’t lose sight of the fact that once PB can detect a hack it’s pretty much worthless from that point on. Which is why when people like MadMatt find one they should send it to PB.
I don’t know about there being more new cheats for ET in the last month than for RTCW in 2 years, but there sure as hell have been more threads about cheats in the last month than for RTCW in 2 years. ET is going to crumble under the weight of cheating if the community at large comes to believe there are cheaters everywhere. Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the accepted truth.
You summed it all up in this thread at last people. Time to move on.
I’ve made the point of cheating isn’t alays so obvious to spot. Now hopefully I can get back to playing how I used to, that is playing the
game as SD intended. Hell I haven’t even modded my configs
or anything like that. ( well, apart from the odd keybind )
I think even a so-called legit mod of your configs to,say, lower the
detail in the game is a form of cheating in a way. How would some
of you people that do this fair at a public LAN I wonder???.
First off we’re all fortunate that there are some people in the world that aren’t that smart to do that… secondly we do frequent IP checks of listed players already banned mainly within the first week of somebody recently who was banned because if they are ever going to get a new GUID they’d be doing it reletively quickly.
And besides, not everyone who’s banned is going to change their guid. Some people (like myself) are just too damn lazy.
My IP is dynamic, that is, it is changed by my isp every couple of days
or so. Just like to point that out. So if i wanted, I could play on
any server, even if banned, because how would you trace me?.
( or anyone else? )
It ain’t that simple to perm ban someone…
Oh well then… I’ll guess you’ll be able to fuck with us
But again that doesn’t mean that 100% of the people we ban will find their way back. While it’s possible it doesn’t mean that they WILL. It’s still worth it to ban some people.
People like me who are lazy and their IP’s don’t change.
But as long as I’m causing people like you an inconvenience by making you find a new guid, I’m satisfied.
I don’t think i’d be up to ‘F***ing’ with you! lol.
I wish my ip was static, it makes it a lot easier to set up private
games. It’s one reason why I can’t set up my own server for ET. 
Er people like me???
This is and probably always will be a worrisome topic.
No anti-exploit system is perfect, and all of them need feedback to make them work at all. If you suspect a hack, tell PunkBuster. Simple as that. “The Community” doesn’t take care of itself; we take care of each other.
And tell the admin! If the server admin’s any good, they’ll do something about it. If they’re not, what are you doing on their crappy server?
The more savvy players will always be able to find well-administered servers with a good mix of competetive but sane fellow-shootists. It’s the n00bier players I feel bad for (and last time we checked, we were ALL n00bs to start off with). Watch out for 'em and help 'em out.
There will never be a perfect world of pleasant, polite, friendly people. All we can do is make things less bad, one person at a time. I, personally, have chosen to do so by training bananas to dance.
:moo:
lol, i need looking after and i’ve played from the start of ET
near enough!
Personally i train cows to blow gum :moo:
i train sheep to do things but you don’t have any pictures of that so use your imaginations
