People alredy wallhacked your game...

(Maynard) #1

Have you noticed that your game is alredy beeing hacked by cheaters? this whole deal of intergrating PunkBuster…uh…why isnt it working? Frankly I’d like to see it controll more than a few Cvars.what action is Spashdamge doing to combat cheaters?

(Pippi) #2

For everybody who is interested, here is the link to a similar thread on Planet Wolfenstein: http://www.forumplanet.com/planetwolfenstein/topic.asp?fid=1692&tid=1031960&p=1

Might I add to any newcomers to ET/Rtcw that cheats in Rtcw are very, very rare. Especially in comparison to other games. Cheats are not widespread because of punkbuster. If a cheat is spread among more than 15 people, punkbuster will know about it very, very soon.

(xG -Abit-) #3

Thats lame, why would you want to play the game looking like that anyways? It looks like crap…

(Vengeance) #4

A lot of ppl have always used wall hacks and still do in RTCW. IMO there are still 2 many options to tweak.

(RivrStyx) #5

I’d like to see less cvar tweaking available also except some menu brightness options and vertex lighting has to go and never be allowed but unfortunately this isn’t a cvar issue and nothing Splash Damage can do i wouldn’t think. PB needs to figure out something

(Bilbo) #6

How does playing the game like the above picture help someone to cheat?

I’m not looking for a way to benefit, just new to all this.

(xG -Abit-) #7

Mostly timing, informing your clan mates where the opposing force is. Like that lil pic of the guy coming out of the cave. If my eyes don’t deceive me, I think there’s an allied coming outta the cave.
Seeing behind the moutain there is a good opportunity to plan a flank.
There’s allot of justifiable reasons as to why someone would be hacking the maps.

(Pippi) #8

It doensn’t make you an instant God. It just gives you “a” advantage. If you suck, this won’t make you much better. In fact, it would be quite confusing.

I think this cheattalk is a bit overrated IMHO. Only if it would be widespread it would be a problem. Which it’s not.

(RivrStyx) #9

Spoken like a true cheater dude. You must use one if you don’t think this is a cheat and no cheat is overrated a wallhack is a major advantage (i don’t think i have to explain do I)…lol. And you have no idea how widespread it is or isn’t since anyone can download it and anyone with the know how can do it…so clam up dopey

(Pippi) #10

First: you need specific OpenGL knowledge. Not many ppl have that.
Second: you need to know where to dl it.
Third: You have no proof of widespread use. Guilty untill proven ring a bell? And that is exactly my whole point.
Fourth: If one would become widespread, PB will find out soon enough.

So it should get attention of EB and SD, but the witchhunt that is now going on in IRC and some forums is just too much credit and will only scare away new players.

For the rest: get some manners. You should read your own clanrules, maybe you might even learn something from it.
http://www.denoflions.net/

I’m done with you.

(SCDS_reyalP) #11

Bleh, whats the point of dragging the ‘tweaking’ debate into this… :???: Two very different things…

Wallhacks suck for sure. Cheaters suck. As far as ‘specifc opengl knowledge’ it only takes one person with the knowledge and motivation to package it up into something any moron can use. For where to download it, I’m sure any fool who can use google and irc can figure it out.

Punkbuster can’t catch every cheat. They have always admitted that they don’t expect to catch peoples private cheats, and to claim anything else would be a blatant lie. However, it’s sad that something can get as widespread as this and still not be detected.

A wallhack can be a large advantage (you can see exactly how the defense is set up, aim your gernade or pf exactly with coming under fire etc). It won’t make you godlike though. If your aim sucks and you don’t work with your team, you will still probably lose. Most of us who have been playing the official maps from the begining have a very good idea where people will be. No doubt I will be accused of wallhacking for tossing grenades where I expect someone to be, or starting to fire a fraction of a second before coming around a corner. The accusations and recriminations may be the thing that harms the community most in the long run.

(RivrStyx) #12

I’m starting no witch hunt …its going to stop me from playing but may stop others…and it only takes a few with the knowledge and to keep changing the wrapper and get by PB. Just search the web to find this one at least. More than 50% of rtcw players know where to look if they’ve played for any amount of time as with any game.
Its easily changed by those few with the knowledge as you put it… aimbots etc can be added the same as the wallhacks. Lets get rid of all the cheat protection until proven huh?.. this isn’t a court of law dude and doesn’t apply. Even with no widespread use it ruins league play and psycologically ruins the pub games. As soon as is squashed the witch hunt will die as you call it and who knows …maybe some clans or players will have been caught cheating…so what. If someone didn’t do anything why would they care.
Anyway obviously SD and ID care about cheats that have even a potential of ruining their games without the widespread mentality you have or Evenbalance wouldn’t be involved. This wallhack is out there, it works with PB and pureservers and isnot private. I’m sure evenbalance will come up with something. The cheats ruin the games, cause these witch hunts, and keep new players away…not squashing them before they are widespread and the damage is done. Does that make sense to you.
oh and btw…I know my clan rules and said nothing out of line at your laid back attitude at cheats … are you someone that didn’t know the rules and can no longer play there? and thx for the link i forgot how to get there.

Your not done with me…i bet you reply again…lmao

(Vengeance) #13

This wall thingy u dont need to download anything for it - its just tweaked settings within the cfg.

(DG) #14

I’d like to see less cvar tweaking available also except some menu brightness options and vertex lighting has to go and never be allowed but unfortunately this isn’t a cvar issue and nothing Splash Damage can do i wouldn’t think

Much of the tweaking cvars have been hard coded in ET, Splash Damage have already removed r_vertexlight cvar. There is some tweaking left but basically its left to a few pure FPS tweaks (shadows for example) or turning your screen white (try it, disadvantage more than anything).

Spoken like a true cheater dude.

LOL man, different POV from you and therefore he’s a “true cheater dude”? He doesnt say its not a cheat nor does he say it’s no advantage - only that wh is overrated which it is. At least half the posts i see on wallhacks are complete panic, equally clueless and lacking in common sense. Wallhack lets you see through some walls, or see objects behind some walls, and nothing more. An advantage? Sure, much “prediction” skill is instead shown onscreen. Cheat? Definately. Guaranteed ownage? No. The reason “that” guy is owning the server? No, though there’s a very small chance its helping.

Look in that pic, notice a few things missing? Ever tried one out offline? Kind of hampers the l33t ch33t0r ideas when you get stuck in tree’s you cant see, walls you can neither see, walk or shoot through…

Just because anyone CAN download and use wallhack, doesnt mean they do.

The only reason I bother posting is summed up well on PlanetRTCW: It’s not the fact that the hack is out, I am sure that only a handful of idiots and pussies will use it, but it is the fact that everyone will begin to start accusing each other of it. I came from a game called QuakeWorld TeamFortress, the best game(mod) ever created, and it too was brought down in Dec. 1999 when id released the source code to quake1, and everyone and thier moms made cheating clients. After about a month, the cheating died down, but it was too late for the game. Over half the community decided it was time to move on to other games (namely cs and everquest at the time). I do not want to see that happen to RTCW. So please, before you accuse, have some proof or evidence, and as far as wallhacks go, its almost impossible to tell when someone is wallhacking, or using wolf’s built in wallhack, aka lean.

Research makes youre opinions appear informed.

(Maynard) #15

nope.

Its a hacked file (openGl dll) that u simply drop in your folder…thast all, u actually have to tweak back to default or youll blind yourself with the snow. For those that dont undertand the screenshot…you seeing thru sevral trees, boulders and even a small hill…like Xray. you can see enmy movements a mile away…and get a jump on the enmy from one spot.

My question was more toward the makers of this game and the affiliation they pride themselves on with Evebalance (PB). yet…they cant stop serious hacks, even after a year they started comming out.

(RivrStyx) #16

Not only that …but so much for surprise… of course its serious. Don’t need godlike aim… thats a BS comeback to this opengl problem most have. Also its binded to a key… hit key to turn on and scan the area… tuen off and move in. Doubt someone plays that way all the time because that WOULD be stupid… just turn it on to get movements and hidden enemies…relay info or move in yourself…whatever. Of course its serious for leagues and pubs…stop downplaying it (its by no means overrated because you say so)… and only some are panicking. Alot more have faith in EB. Once squashed …no accusing others huh?

Just because you can DL it doesn’t mean anyone doesn’t or does. Can go either way…and makes that statement redundant

Please research abit more yourself… Seems you didn’t know about the opengl hack and the bindings for on and off. Knowledge is a wonderful thing

I want to add its not completely impossible to tell if someones wall hacking…lol. Don’t care to explain…

(DG) #17

Er, im aware of this. I have the wh, 2min google gets you it and instuctions? There has been wallhack for rtcw since 1.0 and very probably the test. WH tend to be opengl hook/wrapper so work on ANY opengl game - Quake Quake2 quake3 rtcw ET doom3…

Try it and see how much an advantage it gives you on a public server. A clanwar with everyone on comms is a different story but unless the rest are OK about the use of wh there’s only so much you can tell them.

FYI, PB probably wont be able to block this, there’s a quote on some website i unfortunately forget which, spelling out they will never detect all hacks and probably cant do much about this one. The hack itself is very probably older than a month or however old people seem to presume it is. pb_sv_autoss 1 (until a more severe direct PB hack gets around this aswell like they did in CS).

I want to add its not completely impossible to tell if someones wall hacking…lol. Don’t care to explain…

PB screenshot retreival is the only way, anything else and your kidding yourself.

(RivrStyx) #18

Older versions were blocked… If not so be it. It would give the individual an advantage on a pub… :slight_smile:

(petameta) #19

Yeah right punkbuster really sucks. On one hand it gives you a lot of trouble, like stupid forced cvars (for example on one RtcW Server I wasn’t allowed to play with invert mouse) or kicks because of technical trouble with the pb master server.

On the other hand it doesn’t ban cheats reliable. I have seen a friend playing cs who used several cheats on a pb enabled server.

Too bad idsoft had to put it in their games.

(highboy) #20

Well, i found it in less than 1 min., and that alone should tell you how widespread it is

Fourth: If one would become widespread, PB will find out soon enough.

Looking at the filedate this hack has been working for a couple of weeks now…

Goto http://wolf.dehn.net and take a look at the screen shots i made this morning.

The hack has been sent to Evenbalance.com…