panzer

[_lewares]

Over time, I have noticed that the panzerfaust’s users are always being called
“panzer n00bs.” I have a question: why is this so? I mean, some people actually know how to use one but still get called that. I saw this really good player totally destroy everyone on the other team and when using a panzer, he is STILL being called a noob. Is this real, or out of the anger when being hit with one?

[_POTATO]

I accept panzers as part of the game, and sometimes play as one myself, but you cant help but get pissed when you are killed by one. Especially if he suicided or if he killed you with 30 secs left on your spawn clock. Always manages to get me mad. But if you look at the bright side, it always makes you feel good when you manage to kill the panzer before he gets a shot off.

[DG1]

The slow ROF of the smg’s means its very hard to kill a PF in the time it takes them to let off a shot. No matter how good a player is, and how crap the guy with the PF is, aslong as he doesnt take too long to press the fire button & point in somewhere near the right direction, he will get the kill. A 1 kill panzer (except at really long range) really does require no skill at all, not even patience, who wants to be killed like that?

I liked playing panz in RTCW, it took a lot of concentration in keeping aware with what was going on in the map, patience to get the big multikill (while still gibbing them) and generally having to be very efficient with what you did with it. PF was a key peice and you just did not want your PF guy at the wrong side of the map or still recharging when the other team starts to rush. Sure, you could still do the one man kill, but that counted as a miss.

I dont like playing with it in ET, the smaller splash, faster recharge (with EXP) and having more time before headshot death has lost the whole tactical element of the panzer, it’s just a noob cannon. Every kill feels cheap.

[SwordOfDamocles]

I gotta agree with you DG in that it was better in RTCW. More skill required etc.

However after playing in good few clan games now, I still think it can be used very skillfully in ET and not just be an annoying one hit wonder. Having said that, I generally only see that in high(er) level clan games.

In publics I seldomly see ppl who use it ‘well’.

[Toker]

I’d assume you hear the noob comment since the panzer is really a skillless weapon. It’s got too much of an arcade feel (not that I want some silly “realism” stigma to that.) Far too many people (public servers) use it like they are playing Quake3, and think they are hot-shit because they can kill one guy with a shot.

Probably a coding issue, but I’d really like to see it simply give pinpoint damage instead of having a blast radius… The panzer was, after all, to be used as an anti-armor weapon (panzerfaust = “armored fist”) and has a shape charge in the cone, not very good for killing troops, but great for busting tank treads. That way, if the panzer does hit a person… Oh yes… he’s dead and gibbed!

Maybe it will keep the solder with the panzer concentrating on holding tank/truck movements instead of always looking for the highest fragger award (which usually comes with the no friends award if they are the quintessential “panzer noob.”) There are better weapons for high kills in choke points than the panzer after all… mg-42 in open areas and flamers for hallways…

Sgt. York syndrome is too rampant for such a team-based game…

[Cyber-Knight]

I agree with you DG.

In RtCW, the panzer had such a great tactical feel. A good panzer player generally could make or break teams. It was the trump card. 1 shot and only 1 shot, 30 seconds to wait between shots. Oh and if you have a good panzer spawn killer, oh mama…

but now, we have the, “fiire 2 rockets within 5 seconds when you have level 1 soldier and CP”.

Most players in RtCW, when a lone panzer suddenly got ambushed by an smg’er, their first reaction is usually not to whip out the panzer and do a suicide kill. Many RtCW’ers would risk it out and attempt to do some pistol whip ass kicking and save the panzer for a more valuable situation. But in ET, almost 90% of the players will think Panzer first, Pistol 2nd, win, lose, or draw, they can have anothe rocket ready to go within 10 seconds.

also with RtCW’s faster smg firing rates, switching to your panzer and doing a suicide kill usually wasn’t an option cuz you would most likely be dead before you even heard the sweet warming up of the panzer, espeically if you’re playing on Narf or Locked Box.

[M.I.L.F.Hunter]

It always makes me chuckle when the people (on public servers) who call soldiers “panzer noobs” usually end up being level 4 field ops (who do nothing but stand up on a stair well and call in arty for 30 minutes) or level 4 medics (who, between adrenalin, the increased health bonus, the ability to self-regenerate and the ability to self heal can basically get run over by a buick and survive).

Of course panzers can be annoying at high levels of xp, but last time I checked a few other classes could be just as if not more annoying at level 4.

And if we are talking public server game play here, have any of you ever tried (while being stuck on a team with morons) playing as a level 0 Allied panzer soldier on a map like goldrush?
Hell, just getting down to the bank (to clear the mg42’s and medics camped in it) can be a nightmare when you encounter level 4 medics at every turn on your way down there to clear the bank for the cap.
Example:
Your team is providing you with no cover support so basically you have to push or sneak your way past a 1/2 dozen level 4 medics with only a crappy pistol as your weapon (firing the panzer on the way down would cause you to be in a position where you are at the bank doors with a clear shot but an empty or near empty charge bar).

I would love to see the masses of whiny newbie medics (again I’m talking about pub encounters, I’m not class bashing) make that long trek with only a pistol and 100 health that never regenerates.

Sure there are plenty of noobs that just run around blasting people with panzers to get a high kill ratio, but let’s be honest, there are just as many noob medics who would never survive without all the health/healing, just as many noob field ops who would never get a single kill if not for arty, just as many noob engy’s who would never get a single kill of not for their spastic (usually self-killing as well) rifle nade shots…

you get the idea.

:poke:

[Cyber-Knight]

you make it sound like those rambo medics who can’t be stopped actually need the health advantage to beat you. players like that could probably kick most ppl’s asses with a Sten if they wanted to.

not just any medic can just choose that class and suddenly become some rambo l33t medic. really, the health difference isn’t that noticeable unless you’re battling someone who is almost equivalent in skill to you. factors like who gets the first shot are more important than this minor health difference.

and if you can’t get your level 1 in 10 mins (which is 7 panzer kills) you should be banned from using that weapon for pure suckage.

[Kendle]

I think the term “Panzer noob” is often cited out of frustration at being killed by one once too often. However there really are many true Panzer noobs out there because it is an easy weapon to get “a” kill with. The tricky part is getting multiple kills and staying alive while recharging to do it again and again.

You can tell a true “Panzer noob” by the fact he runs around with Panzer selected (he doesn’t realise he can run faster with Pistol selected) and mostly gets only 1 kill per shot.

If you happen to see a Panzer player who can take care of himself with a Pistol, makes good use of Grenades, and averages 3 kills per shot, then you can be reasonably sure he’s not a “Panzer noob”.

[pgh]

I’d assume you hear the noob comment since the panzer is really a skillless weapon.

And who would you be to tell us its a skillless weapon? Basically, dont play on skillless servers. Even if the RoF of the SMG’s are slow if you aint able to kill a panzer before his shot is fired off then I think its you sir who is skillless. Around 5 shots to the head maximum is all it takes to kill a player, when a panzer is fired, especially up close, a player usually has no choice but to be slow’d down and line up which requires them to cut movement down to the minimum… more or less a sitting duck between the crunch time of hearing the warmup to the actuall fire. If you cant aim and shoot even a sitting duck then this aint a game for you. Try playing on a server full of pr0clannies and div 1 teams and try and get a panzer off in time. The only hope is distancing yourself with cover…

[bubba_g]

I agree pgh, it isn’t a skilless weapon - in the right hands. I think it has got it’s bad name from the number of players who try to use it but don’t know how. I’ve gotta say I get more annoyed with the players on my own team using it badly, as in:

1. You are in a 1v1 situation, holding your own, and suddenly a teamate panzers both of you as he has seen an enemy to shoot at - ‘sorry’
2. A group of you try to rush an objective, come across 1 enemy, and the panzer guy fires and takes out everyone -‘sorry’

All the people who can use it properly (on both teams) get my respect, as they are doing their bit for their team.

[pgh]

http://evil.peekays.org/users/pgy/

I’ve a demo dump there of clan games. Mostly engy/panzer off and panzer def stuff :]

[ETplayer]

i hate the panzer just becuz pgh kills me with them :suspicious:

[Psycho_Al]

People who shout and whine about “panzer n00bs” and “rambo medics” on pub servers are usually just whining children (mentally or literally). They’ll also tend to whine that getting kills with the rifle grenade is using a “n00b weapon”. Vote Kick them, to be honest. Or insult them in clever and entertaining ways.

(These kind of people, along with newbie bashers and people that fire off insults left, right and centre just ruin online gaming in my opinion. I think it’s about time they were harrassed off public servers themselves, to be honest. )

[Kendle]

In RTCW you’d sometimes see people who’d gone to the trouble of making a bind that said something in global chat along the lines of:-

“nice Panzer shot, noob, next time try a real weapon”

I remember a player who had a bind of his own:-

“nice bind arsehole, next time try a real argument”

always cracked me up.

[Fusen]

ooo thanks kendle might just steal that as someone was using the bing

“nice shot noob… next time try to use a real weapon” and he used it when I killed him with a nade and a smg so dunno what he was going on about

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[BlackDeath]

This is panzer thread #1,451,876

Continue on…

[pgh]

Thats pointless post #1,451,876… erm, 7. :]

Continue on…

They’ll also tend to whine that getting kills with the rifle grenade is using a “n00b weapon”.

Im telling you. Any weapon you can shoot randomly, bounce of numerous things and STILL hit the nme withot scratching yourself… even with the nme standing on your head… is a n00b weapon. :] Well, tbh, no. Used to say that but it can actually be a fkin very usefull weapon and one of my faves on off for Oasis and Radar (Eh Al/DazzA :>)…

[Toker]

[quote=Toker]I’d assume you hear the noob comment since the panzer is really a skillless weapon.

And who would you be to tell us its a skillless weapon? Basically, dont play on skillless servers. Even if the RoF of the SMG’s are slow if you aint able to kill a panzer before his shot is fired off then I think its you sir who is skillless…[/quote]

Touchy aren’t we? I also loved the “No, you’re skillless!” Sounds like two 5 year olds starting an argument…

Would you be happier if I changed my post to read that “[…]since the panzer is basicly a skillless weapon.” :???:

Who pissed in your Cheerios this morning?

Time for my rantings…

First of all, lets define my “skilllessness” here… I only play on public servers, around 10-15 per side. I was in the infantry in the Marines, so that’s a group I’m used to working with in my head (three 4-man teams is ideal.) That’s one squad as a diversion/support, one as a blocker and one on the assult. It’s rare to find a public game where enough people are “on the same page” though, so most of the time it’s nothing more than a clusterfuck that turns into a diversion/support with about 3-4 people aware enough to push the line foreward and hop to the objective… Sure, I’d like to have a good clan that all understood teamwork and worked together, but I still understand… [i]This is a GAME![/i] I actually have a real life and I can’t devote hours upon hours of practice with a team, all for a [b]game[/b]…

So, we are talking about public servers… If someone is using the term “panzer noob” in a clan match… well, that’s just stupid…

Now granted… There are some good panzer people out there, just like there are good snipers, medics, engs, etc… But for the most part, they are all in clans. Running into one of them on a pub, when they are getting the proper support to make them truly effictive, is pretty damn rare…

Therefore, I must not be talking about those individuals that get 2-3 kills per shot, keep tks at zero and realize that there are objectives to accomplish…

Here’s a situation for you: I hit a corner out of the spawn (any map) and run smack into an enemy… There are 4 of us in a fight now… 1 bad guy, me and a man next to me with smgs, and a panzer about 5 paces back. 3 smgs open up in close-quarter combat…

On a pub server, I’d guess 3 out of 5 times, you’ll hear that panzer spin up… All I can do is sigh at that point… That’s your panzer noob. More concerned with getting one kill when obviously the odds were already in our favor, and now he devistated most of one squad, just to clear the hall…

And don’t tell me that doesn’t happen… We’ve all seen it, haven’t we? Maybe a bit extreme situation, but just killing even ONE teammate to kill an enemy shows (in my opinion) one hell of a piss-poor idea of teamwork.

Since this is a team game, we should note that that does something to team morale… Yes, you read that right, team morale counts… I now can’t count on the panzer - in fact - I want to steer clear of him for the most part, because I know he has no quarrel with killing me, mission be damned…

Allied - Fuel Dump - 5 men split off down the tunnel to the side bunker, resistance is heavy in the hall. When I see that the panzer popper is going in that direction, I’ll turn back and head toward sniper hill. I see other people turning back too, along with some that stay back and let him in first… He’s on a suicide mission anyway (ever see that guy warm up the panzer before even turning the corner, even without reciving fire? It’s always fun when your own panzer clears a hall of you after you just flanked and cleared it yourself…) I always pray for the poor soul that runs in there with him… For those of us holding back or diverting, what if the hall was clear… that’s valueable time we wasted when we could be securing the hall/ getting to the base…

pgh… I never said I can’t kill a panzer before he gets off his shot… I can, especially in close-quarters! See, I also know that there is a headshot hit box, and that’s where I’m aiming… I’d say 7 out of 10 times if we both start firing first, I win…

Fact is… I’ve never publicly complained about panzers, unless the idiot is on my team, holding us back. Every time I get to, as I like to say, “Hug a panzer,” I cheer. I think it’s great when the guy that killed me also took himself out… At least I know he can’t get 2-3 of my friends on a shot, he’s out of comission now…

All of that shows absolutly NO SKILL on behalf of the individual wielding the weapon. He has no idea of teamwork. Could you imagine this person on your airsoft or paintball team? You’re out in front and he just sprays 'n prays…

So I stand behind my original, edited statment…

For the majority of individuals using the panzer on public servers, it is basiclly a skillless weapon. It does more to hurt the team at times than to help. As I said… there are better weapons to acomplish the objective…

:banghead:

[/end rant]

[Lanz]

I think the point with rifle grenades and panzers that piss me off personally on a lot of servers is that you many times can’t react to the attack against you. No chance to react, no chance to avoid it or fire back and I think that’s the reason so many hate it… Same reasoning goes for the panzer in many many situations, you just cant avoid it and when I play on pubs I want the up and close battles between two teams, not a uber guy killing me and 3 others. The differance between the two said weapons and air or artillery strikes is that you get warned and “usually” have time to react to it. No problem, it’s uber but limited. Sure if I see a panzer approaching me he’s toast, but a smart panzer don’t play like that, he knows where to defend and is prepared for the next reinforcement, and the better he is, the less chance I get to react to it. It’s just boring, nothing noobish about it really, just not fun… and what did they do in ET, they promoted the best panzer guys with an smg and lower recharge times, wow, that is fun! (sarkasm if you didnt get it) That’s the main reason imo that they are called noobsticks etc. The game would for me be much better without panzers and rifle grenades, but that’s me.