Overwatch and the future of Dirty Bomb

(Merci1ess) #81

[quote=“Ghosthree3;62079”][quote=“Merciless;62073”]In blizzard games, when you throw money into them, you will get satisfaction.

In DB, I bought cases. I got shit cards and traded them up for more shit cards.[/quote]
I dunno, I think I’ve spent $300 on cases in Hearthstone and still lack many crucial cards.[/quote]

True. You’re right about that. But… It is a card game. If you buy a pack of cards at the store, you never know what you might get… and in every pack you have what? 5-6 cards? I never really played Hearthstone so I can’t tell you for sure.

DB is similar. Although it’s just an overall weird system. I’m paying 5 dollars for 1 card.

(affableTricycle) #82

[quote=“cherryOctagon;62081”]I’m kinda interested in checking out Overwatch though I probably wouldn’t quit DB.

While both are shooters, OW is very cartoon-ish which I’m sure will drive some people away from it…plus I worry it will be a cash grab like all the recent branch out game Blizzard has put out.[/quote]

From what I’ve seen, it looks very casual, and even players who suck balls at everything can play Mercy or Lúcio and still be useful. What I don’t see is what they’re going to monetise. They’ll almost certainly make it free, what with how casual it’ll probably be and that it’s a Blizzard game, but aside from buying characters I don’t see how they’re gonna make money.

I’m certain it’ll be a casual cash grab. I just don’t know how.

(Amerika) #83

Vanilla was horribly imbalanced in both raiding and PvP. BC wasn’t a whole lot better and the game was still reliant on people playing specialized roles with little reward other than you were a buff-bot…but you had to have those people to progress (Sunwell was fun…especially pre-nerf Muru). As a PvP player who liked a lot of variety in class choice and as a raider who liked progression and interesting fights, LK was actually pretty great. But that’s when Blizzard started knee-jerking while trying to appeal to new players after they already had 10 million people who had played for years (and then forgot about keeping them happy).

Don’t even get me started on D3.

(Yes) #84

If Overwatch comes out before a reliable anticheat, DB will probably die.

(Ghosthree3) #85

[quote=“Amerika;62108”]Vanilla was horribly imbalanced in both raiding and PvP. BC wasn’t a whole lot better and the game was still reliant on people playing specialized roles with little reward other than you were a buff-bot…but you had to have those people to progress (Sunwell was fun…especially pre-nerf Muru). As a PvP player who liked a lot of variety in class choice and as a raider who liked progression and interesting fights, LK was actually pretty great. But that’s when Blizzard started knee-jerking while trying to appeal to new players after they already had 10 million people who had played for years (and then forgot about keeping them happy).

Don’t even get me started on D3.[/quote]
Vanilla and BC by today’s standards aren’t so hot. But for the time they were pretty damn incredible. The same can not be said about D3.

(immenseWalnut) #86

I just hope the game has some sort of matchmaking to separate the good players from the bad.

I don’t mind a game being casual, as long as it has a high skill ceiling, but having to play with and against button mashers gets tedious after a while. The skill floor seems pretty low, but you could say the same for TF2 and look at how bad some of the players are in that.

I’m 37 years old and semi-hardcore, I really don’t like playing with 8 year old kids.

(LifeupOmega) #87

Come on we both know that’s a lie just look at Warlords.

(_retired_) #88

Overwatch has way too many fantasyelements.
Many people who like games like COD etc. are looking for these semi-realistic shooters or more conservative shooters with comic edge.
Example many people including me cannot stand TF2 types of stuff. Some kind of Shooter-tetris. Then again some games like CS feel after a while really really boring.

Dirty bomb offers the best of both worlds.

I don’t know about the kids of the today but I’m not seeing “pokemonic Overwatch” having any edge over Dirty Bomb.

(AirborneAsian) #89

Overwatch is not my type of game. By the looks of it, it feels repeated. I’ve never been a fan of Blizzard. It’s games are just too casual, not that i’m a hardcore gamer, but casualty bores me over time. Too much fantasy being mixed up in the game. And it’s slow paced. Way too slow for my liking.

(moonlitAbility) #90

what is with all these posts the last few days questioning dirty bomb and its future? If the game is fun, and good, people will play it. Ive never been this hooked on a shooter. I didnt like tf2s super cartooney visuals, and I was over counterstrike 12 years ago. Just like things like dota and lol, if the games are good, there is plenty of room for multiple ‘similar’ games.

And if something comes out thats so much better than DB that we all go play it, well, then we all win. My advice is unless or until that happens, enjoy the moment and the game and stop worrying.

make a movie and call it ‘how I learned to stop worrying and love dirty bomb’

(Grum_Laban) #91

Just wanted to jump in with my take on this Overwatch killing off Dirty Bomb topic.
To me, Dirty Bomb hits its own spot in the market. I’ve not had any multiplayer game I’ve put this much time into (~225 hours) for many years and it’s because of the gun play, movement system and this weird x-factor many call “feel”. DB just feels really nice to play, with good speed and often intense fights for the objectives. Matches with a purpose and not just fragging away in deathmatch is what I’m drawn in by.

Overwatch and Dirty Bomb are two very different games from what I have seen of Overwatch. I’m going to try Overwatch for sure when it comes out, but I highly doubt I will stop playing Dirty Bomb because of it. For some people the time spent in DB will become shorter, but I think most fans will stick around. It may sound strange to some, but it is possible to play and have fun with both games :stuck_out_tongue:
A game I see having more trouble than Dirty Bomb when Overwatch is released is Battleborn (Gearbox, 2K). I would hate to be in their shoes, having to market Battleborn, when Overwatch is around. The two games look very similar and with Blizzard’s built-in fanbase I don’t see things going so well for Battleborn.

Well, off to play some more DB. Trying to suck less with Red Eye …

(Gi.Am) #92

Nice profile pic.
Green army? Or am I mistaken.

Wow, this got heaps of attention. I’ll be reading this for ages. Great discussion guys, keep it up.[/quote]

Na it’s the logo of my old crew called [WUSSY]. Not a clan but wanted a clantag anyways became a squad when we did join a clan.

Have nothing much to say towards DB vs Overwatch. Tho nice positive and realistic vibe I get from the tread. Oh and if Overwatch really does full blown MOBA itemshop they lost me already.

(tulipRowboat) #93

Like Ive said before, I’ll be playing both. Once Overwatch loses that ‘‘OMG NEW GAME’’ feeling, I’m sure I’ll play both equally.

(watsyurdeal) #94

(moonlitAbility) #95

if i recall correctly, cs:go was released on steam for quite some time (2 years?) before it got the update i assume with cosmestics and stuff and then the numbers spiked. whoever mentioned d3, same thing. just give it time and keep enjoying

(watsyurdeal) #96

That is actually true…

CS GO’s chart…

http://steamcharts.com/app/730#All

Look at it’s population, it grew overtime drastically as the devs introduced stuff that the players wanted to see.

So, if Splash just listens to what we’d like to see, anti cheat, more loadout card options, better comp matchmaking, and stop adding things we don’t want, aimpunch, turn speed changes, etc, we’ll be ok.

(Amerika) #97

[quote=“Ghosthree3;62114”][quote=“Amerika;62108”]Vanilla was horribly imbalanced in both raiding and PvP. BC wasn’t a whole lot better and the game was still reliant on people playing specialized roles with little reward other than you were a buff-bot…but you had to have those people to progress (Sunwell was fun…especially pre-nerf Muru). As a PvP player who liked a lot of variety in class choice and as a raider who liked progression and interesting fights, LK was actually pretty great. But that’s when Blizzard started knee-jerking while trying to appeal to new players after they already had 10 million people who had played for years (and then forgot about keeping them happy).

Don’t even get me started on D3.[/quote]
Vanilla and BC by today’s standards aren’t so hot. But for the time they were pretty damn incredible. The same can not be said about D3.[/quote]

Vanilla was horribly broken and pretty much everyone knew it. The class system was jacked, most specs didn’t work for anything and people were pigeonholed into a role most of the time. Hell, one faction or the other had huge advantages on some fights based on racials. TBC wasn’t much better in that regard. You might have had a lot of fun during that time, I sure did, but they were horribly broken. Let’s also not forget the massive server hardware issues Blizzard had back then too.

I definitely had fun with the game but I haven’t forgotten all the issues it had and am not going to wear the rose-tinted glasses to make it seem better than it was.

(KouDy) #98

You can already see slow decline in DB population ( http://steamcharts.com/app/333930#1m ).
You don’t need Overwatch for that. OW will draw some players from DB no doubt. It’s quite normal that Blizzard games attract masses. Maybe it will be too different, maybe it will be so good that DB will die (i have doubts that this would happen really). It probably will cause dent in DB population. I think that’s safe bet.

(RyePanda) #99

Regardless, it is concerning that the population is declining. OW won’t help. Dirty Bomb has gotten a lot of publicity from big youtubers (Angry Joe, Levelcap, Matimi0, JackFrags, Frankieonpc) but the population is now going down. The population needs to grow somehow or eventually it will fade away.

(immenseWalnut) #100

Games don’t kill other games. If Dirty Bomb dies, it will be killed by Nexon and Splash Damage (ignoring major issues such as hacking, making silly design decisions such as the melee changes, focusing 90% of their time on the cash shop instead of making the game better etc).

If this game was truly a masterpiece, people would still play it no matter the competition. Someone else mentioned earlier that they think DB could die before Overwatch is released, and that is certainly plausible. Not everyone will be invited into the closed beta testing later this year, and by the time it is fully released (just before Christmas knowing Blizzard) Dirty Bomb could well have died.

Certainly the last of the mercs should be released by then, meaning content updates will likely consist of bug fixes and balance changes which isn’t exactly going to keep people hanging around.

It has only been 2 months since open beta began, and I predicted Dirty Bomb would likely be dead after 6 months (by dead I mean further development will be dropped as the playerbase will be too small to support ongoing development), and given the past 2 months I stand by that.

Even though the game is fun, it is lacking in depth, the skill floor is too high for casuals (making many of them a burden on their team because they can barely aim) and the skill ceiling is too low for competitive players. It isn’t much fun to watch either, so eSport potential is very limited. There also aren’t enough maps, but given the above, I doubt it would make any difference if there were dozens.