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Cankor · 2010-01-08 04:30:57 UTC

Stroggafier · 2010-01-08 04:39:08 UTC

Man, you work fast, my friend.

Apples · 2010-01-08 16:33:59 UTC

gud gud, match vs I dunno who vs OCB tonight 8 pm EST… will prolly be drunk as fcuk as its friday but well, we’ll have fun!

Cankor · 2010-01-09 03:22:32 UTC

You should just start saying when you’re playing sober as everyone expects you will be drunk otherwise.

Apples · 2010-01-09 11:03:50 UTC

I’m sober each monday from 10 AM to 1PM

GRiMP · 2010-01-12 20:12:04 UTC

yo, can someone clarify the Vehicles rule for this cup? Had a scrim last night, made me go double-check the rules set…

If there is a Titan in play, then the APC cant be used, correct?
And if the HOG is up, no desi or clopse?

GRiMP · 2010-01-12 21:38:57 UTC

friggin hell…you go and change the page on me, lol!!

Im guessing those rules you had up there, werent the correct ones?

Apples · 2010-01-12 21:39:44 UTC

… 6V6 is all vehic on isnt it? Well, it allways been anyway, why create new weird rules which arent enforced with a cvar anyway.

Peace

Apples · 2010-01-13 00:09:25 UTC

BTW : sry for double post, but can you clarify this Cankor.

Do we play 4 “rounds” on the same map each match? or do we play AB in one map and BA on another? still cant get it, cuz if its 4 rounds on the same map for match one + 4 rounds in the same map again for the match2 it becomes pretty depressing…

On the first week, we played each time sewer then ark (both teams agreed on that ofc), but did we have to play 2 games on sewer?? Not accustomed to NA style and would like to be sure

what we’ve done :
week 1:
Match1 game 1 - AB on Sewer / game 2 - BA on Ark
Match2 game 1 - AB on Sewer / game 2 - BA on Ark

Peace

Cankor · 2010-01-13 04:59:05 UTC

[QUOTE=GRiMP;206966]yo, can someone clarify the Vehicles rule for this cup? Had a scrim last night, made me go double-check the rules set…

If there is a Titan in play, then the APC cant be used, correct?
And if the HOG is up, no desi or clopse?[/QUOTE]

Only one heavy in play at a time, Trojan doesn’t count as a heavy, it’s legal to have a Titan and Trojan up at Once, or Cyclops and a Hog, or a Desi and a Hog, but not a Desi and Clops. Those are typical 6v6 vehicle rules and they should be enforced by the config.

I see the confusion is from this: “Only one of the following vehicles in play at any one time: Cyclops; Titan; Hog; Trojan; Desecrator.” This just means you can’t have 2 hogs up, 2 Titans up, etc.

No heavies on 3rd objective.

The only thing which may be a little different is vehicles are allowed inside.

If the config lets you do it you can do it.

[QUOTE=GRiMP;206975]friggin hell…you go and change the page on me, lol!!

Im guessing those rules you had up there, werent the correct ones?[/QUOTE]

Nope, didn’t change anything, but I just now went and added the clarification i posted above to help clarify.

[QUOTE=Apples;206976]… 6V6 is all vehic on isnt it? Well, it allways been anyway, why create new weird rules which arent enforced with a cvar anyway.

Peace[/QUOTE]
There are some restrictions, essentially no fliers, one heavy at a time, one of each type at a time.

[QUOTE=Apples;206992]BTW : sry for double post, but can you clarify this Cankor.

Do we play 4 “rounds” on the same map each match? or do we play AB in one map and BA on another? still cant get it, cuz if its 4 rounds on the same map for match one + 4 rounds in the same map again for the match2 it becomes pretty depressing…

On the first week, we played each time sewer then ark (both teams agreed on that ofc), but did we have to play 2 games on sewer?? Not accustomed to NA style and would like to be sure

what we’ve done :
week 1:
Match1 game 1 - AB on Sewer / game 2 - BA on Ark
Match2 game 1 - AB on Sewer / game 2 - BA on Ark

Peace[/QUOTE]

you did it right, but you didn’t have to switch maps if the losing team didn’t want to…

each match is composed of 2 rounds composed of 2 halves each ABBA, round 1 = AB, round 2 = BA.
The loser of the first round gets to pick between either the map of the week or the map for the following week. For instance this weeks Map is Ark, and next week is Salvage, so whoever loses Ark on the first round can chose to play Ark again for the second, or instead choose Salvage.

Only 2 rounds are played (total 4 halves), there’s no tie-breaker rounds. If there’s a double full hold whoever did the most objectives win, if both teams did the same amount whoever completed the last one quicker wins. If it’s a double full hold at the first objective it’s a tie and each team gets 1 point. there shouldn’t be very many ties.

more here: http://etqwnapubleague.tourney.cc/pages/rules/

Cankor · 2010-01-13 05:47:35 UTC

I’m not sure if anyone else has had this problem, but we’ve had trouble where the matches didn’t start in stopwatch mode. Not sure what that is about, I sort of thought that setting:

set si_rules sdGameRulesCompetition

would have maps start in stopwatch mode automatically, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

Anyone who can give me a hand with this please help.

Thanks

Stroggafier · 2010-01-14 18:14:36 UTC

I’ve taken the liberty to calculate standings - see attachment. Hope no one minds. I’ll be gald to keep this updated

canvasback · 2010-01-14 21:06:34 UTC

Opening a can of worms…

Last night we were planning to have a match. Did some strats, goofed around and the other team starts joining. Only two of them join the server. To make a long story short, they opted to take a forfeit loss rather than play because they had been rolled every other match. They were demoralized, depressed and had lost the fun of playing. They were under the assumption that this cup was supposed to be a learning experience and a way to get a taste of friendly competition instead of old teams re-forming and rolling them. Now, I don’t want to go down the road of debating their perception nor do I want to analyze the current cup - it is what it is and, even though CB has been pretty much rolled, we’re having a good time and it feels like ‘old home week’ playing with guys I haven’t talked to in 18-20 months.

Looking to the future, I’d really like to see a format where players simply sign up and the admins (or pre-selected captains) shuffle the players and make teams with the goal of mixing vets and inexperienced players.

Let the current tourney play out as it stands but then look at something else that would better accomplish the goal of involving ‘pub’ clans in competition.

Apples · 2010-01-14 22:55:17 UTC

Mixed teams sux, tryied it b4, and it simply wont work… but making a “A” and “B” bracket is the way to go, and it could have been done if more pub team had join, like they were supposed to do.

Stroggafier · 2010-01-14 23:36:00 UTC

Here we go again…blame the “Pubbers” and now the “Pub Clans”…sheesh :rolleyes:

Why did it not work the last time, @Apples? Did the more experienced comp players “Rage Quit” on account of being surrounded by players who were still learning comp?

A draft seams like a reasonable answer to me.

Apples · 2010-01-14 23:53:40 UTC

Can you please shut the hell when you dont now a rats ass about what is going on? Some pub clan signed up for the cup but never comfirmed, thats what i was talking about, if the 2-3 pub clan had confirmed then we could have make another bracket more friendly for them, I dont blame the pub clan that is playing for ragequitting, I even show them much respect for actually showing up on matches like I failed to do in the past… I blame the guyz who registered but never confirmed and didnt play.

A draft is as exciting as a propub game, you dont have time to set up proper strat and playing with player from other teams create much conflict, actually the better shots win, and period. Nothing good about it…

If you knew me better you would now that I never blamed pubber for anything, as I consider myself mostly like one, hell, I ever runned the 1st clan server (in rank) for a good time back in the days…

Anyway, I dont blame the pubbers, I blame the fact that it was supposed to be 2 bracket, and here there is one only cuz of no show and non-confirmation, resulting in one pub team gettin steamrolled and dont enjoying their experience.

As usual get your facts straight before opening…

Stroggafier · 2010-01-15 01:13:50 UTC

This is placing blame on pub teams, @Apples.

Like the old saying goes, “if life gives you lemons, make lemonade” …and don’t just gripe and blame, as you did. I heard someone suggest lemonade, and I heard you gripe and complain and say it doesn’t work.

What facts are you talking about?

Apples · 2010-01-15 01:24:52 UTC

facts :

Apple doesnt like the pubbers
A draft is the answer

Reply:

I’m a pubber (its my first competition!), and i gladly encourage any team that wanna compete to go on! I dont blame the pubbers in generals (well, I do a bit cuz most of them are monkeyz… just a personal opinion, I’m the monkey for many of them too, its mankind…). But the fact that one team get steamrolled is not our (i.e. other team’s) fault, but the fault of other “equally skilled” teams that didnt join when they had a chance to do so. Cant understand as they seemed motivated and with enuff ppl on to compete, and they would have a bracket of theirs to play friendly.
A draft was tryed before and many times (in EU anyway), it just feels like propub (I guess you never played propub, thats where your facts arent accurate). Propub = non organised team at all where everyone try to do some tactics while the other teammates dont care and go for most killz, its just not the same feeling at all. Thats why a draft should be excluded anyway, i can propub once a day in EU, why would I bother to try to play on draft as its the same thing?.

Oh and about your lemonade stuff, as usual I will bold this it wont happen cuz it has been tryed out many time and that simply wont work, we tryed to lemonade stuffs with pubber vs “experienced” (if there are any…lolz, private joke) bracket to not mix up anything and once again it failed miserabily.

ps: english is not my first language, sry then if my phrases sux, i hope you get my points.

Stroggafier · 2010-01-15 01:38:30 UTC

Yes, I heard you @Apples,

Put in a positive spin, your points were:

The tournament could have been better if more pub teams joined, as they indicated they would.
To get around draft problems, as drafts in the past have produced only “propub” results, we should try something else, such as brackets.

Having said that, I do know that propub is not an ideal competition style. But, please consider @canvasback’s caution that this tourney was advertised as a learning experience in tournament form for pub teams and pros alike - not a pro competition. In other words, a forum to shape the play of less experienced pub teams to possibly reduce the “propub” effect.

Apples · 2010-01-15 01:53:32 UTC

Ppl did that, they ever get a mentorship stuff on, OFC its pretty sad cuz its not at all a “learning” experience for the only pub clan in (however they used some pretty good tactics attacking side on ark vs us, just needed more coordination), but yeah I’ll still blame the other pub clan who signed in and didnt bother to confirm and play cuz it would have been a pretty good experience for them.

My main point was that everything has been tryed out in the past, but if ppl dont actually get in, nothing can work out… If you give a hand and no one grab it, is it your fault?

Peace