n00bs ruining games

(Nite) #1

I’ve just been on a server and had yet another game ruined by n00bs not knowing what to do and shooting their own teamm8’s :disgust: .
1 thought could it be possible to give players a rating achieved by amount of time playing the game etc. and have servers the ability to refuse entry to players with a low rating set by the admin?

(Spark) #2

Right, I had the same thought… Not just to protect the veterans from the newbs, but also the other way around…
I think Evenbalance is working on something that lets you set up servers for GUIDs which are active for a certain time (to protect from cheaters who change their GUID often, especially in ET), maybe that could be used to set up “advanced server” which require you to play for at least three months already or something like that (of course that wouldn’t be completely newb-proof, but it would be a start).

(Dawg) #3

Let’s just sort the names by colors! :banana:

Dawg :stuck_out_tongue:

(_NeT_N_osfera2) #4

Let’s just sort the names by colors
good point :slight_smile:

i think n00bs are only a problem when you are on your own in a team of them.

the other day i played for 5 mins on fraggersheaven nolamers, oh dear they gonna have to sort that second part of name out.

in 5 mins, i was tk’ed 5 times, by 3 different people. they stood on my mines 7 times, and 4 of them i got complained against. so i left.

but my point is i usually find i can almost almost do the objectives myself without any experienced help, but if i have just one more decent player, we will do it easy

(blushing_bride) #5

i don’t have colours in my name and i know a few other good people that are the same, on the otherhand n00bs often have very colourful names such as Darksniperwolf, shadowdestroyer or deathdealerkiller. All lit up like a christmas tree. Maybe you should just ban covert ops and soldiers with smg’s that will remove almost every n00b (im joking of course). Personally n00bs that shoot their team are the exception but i think one or two new people in a game adds just a little bit more spice to mix and can make things more interesting

(Nite) #6

I agree its easy to do the objectives when u are up against a n00b team but I find it more entertaining when it is 2 evenly matched teams fighting against each other as opposed to a walk over cos the other team are all guarding a tree!

(ExP|Maximus191) #7

Teamkillers just ruin a game imo, noobs who want to learn how to play properly can be educated;)

(Pamper) #8

It’s OK to have some newbies playing, as long as they’re evenly distributed so that both teams have the same amount.

This can usually be achieved by playing for 10 minutes, then shuffling by XP… unless it’s a long campaign, or it’s been set to keep XP forver! Then, even bad players can have 5000 XP if they’ve been on for 10 hours.

To fix that, there should be an option to shuffle “by XP earned in this map”

(Brevik) #9

Are we talking newbies or n00bs? I’d always considered that there was a difference, newbies being people who are new to the game and learning it (the people who should be tolerated), and the n00bs being the self righteous pompous arrogant sons-of-bitches who haven’t been playing the game very long, but feel the need to berate other people at any slight indiscretion.

…and a lot of these people “colour their name”…

Some of them need to realise that just because you can colour your name, it doesn’t necessarily mean you’re any good…

The words Ninja, Wolf, Sniper, Jedi usually feature in their names somewhere.

(oh, for anyone who feels that they are in any way “ninjitsu empowered” I recommend they check out the following website, to meet some like minded people: http://www.realultimatepower.net)

Does it sound like they annoy me?

Newbies should be tolerated, the only way they’re going to learn is by playing with good people (I still consider myself a newbie, and I’ve learnt a hell of a lot from some of the people here), and quite frankly, I’d much rather play with a load of newbies, than a load of n00bs.

Finding a decent server with good admins and some fair minded, decent players is always the solution. Excluding players because they’ve only just picked up the game isn’t.

(decoy) #10

Hey, I colour my name! Makes it easier to spot it in the log when i’m spectating and get a mine or artillery kill :wink:

Anyway, as Brevik said, there are two kind of newbies. On the server I admin, there are usually someone around to take care of blatant teamkillers (complaining is turned off, because of newbies complaining too much – the world became a better place without complaining).

Inexperienced players just need to be educated. The problem is often that since ET is free, they never read the manual, and often they are inexperienced with FPS games. Hence they are not aware of the in-game chatting possibilities. Giving messages to these kind of people is very tedious. I found the pushing function in shrubmod very effective on such people. If they guard the wrong thing, take the time to push them a bit. It usually make them realize that they are doing something stupid (beats shooting them anyway).

(Brevik) #11

Ahem, yeah, sorry, perhaps I should point out that I’m not inferring that everyone who colours their name is a n00b… :moo:

(blushing_bride) #12

there’s a manual? oh! (walks away embarressed)

(Miles Teg) #13

Going off-topic slightly, but does “XP shuffle” actually shuffle just by XP? After sometimes shuffling and seeing the top 3 or 4 people in terms of XP end up in the same team, I decided that it probably shuffled on the basis of XP/time. But that was something of a guess, and I don’t know how it really works.

(Rippin Kitten) #14

From what I’ve seen, it tries to put the guy with the most xp on one team, and the second most on the other team, then back and forth. There’s a certain “threshold” when it will give one team two people before moving on. Keep in mind that after the shuffle, xp is reset back to where it was at the start of the map. This is why it can seem that one team has more xp than another after the shuffle, when really at the point of the shuffle (and before the reset) things were much closer.

When I admin our LAN games, I usually ask people to swap to the other team instead of forcing through a shuffle. Swapping a good player for a newish player can help keep the skill balanced. Good luck making this happen on a pub, though. =)

Also, shuffling by xp doesn’t necessarily shuffle by skill. A newish player on the defending team with some really skilled players can rack up a good amount of xp, whereas he won’t do that well without the same level of support.

RK

(Dawg) #15

On the subject of defining the terms newb, noob and n00b.

Any of these terms can refer to a a player that is simply new to the game and doesn’t know what they are doing. This is really the proper use of the word. Newb is naturally short for newbie. A TKer isn’t a newb, he’s a TKer.

I consider the terms noob and n00b (the latter merely a l337-speak version of the former) to be a combination of the term newb and ‘boob’, meaning idiot. So it would imply that the said new player is not just new, but also an idiot. Thus, the noob/n00b variant is an insult where the term newb is more of an identifier of skill level.

That being said, all of the terms seem to be used interchangably by people of middle skill level to serve as a general insult. The more experienced people tend to talk more in generalities (‘this server is suffering from too much n00bishness’, ‘my team is full of n00bs’, etc). The middle-level player realizes that he is superior to the newb and feels the need to flex his game playing muscles by insulting another player. So he finds some poor hapless newb and derides him in chat because he thinks this will make himself seem more impressive to others.

The mid-level player does not try to help the newbie, because he doesn’t know how to. He cannot put into words what the newb is doing wrong or what they can do to help their team. Or, he can identify the newbish behaviour (e.g. ‘he an smgsoldier, what a newb’) but doesn’t offer any constructive criticism (e.g. ‘hey dude, if you are gonna use the smg you should go as an engie so you get more nadees’, ‘…as a field op so you can hand out ammo’, ‘…as a medic so you have more health’).

So, I use the term newb for any newbie that is trying to play the game. I reserve the term noob/n00b for kidding around with other regulars on servers I frequent, as a general term for the lack of quality players on a team, or occasionally to refer to the 7 COs that are sniping while we cannot get close to the objective… :stuck_out_tongue:

Dawg

(ETplayer) #16
  • southpark style *

kick the newbie

dont kick the newbie

kick the newbie

kicks newbie threw a window

:drink:

(S}{IT_S}{OT) #17

I think most of you “VETS” are to hard on us “NOOBS” “NEWBS” call us what you like, but we are here to learn the game from you so called “VETS”. I have been playing this game for about 2 weeks now and even though I consider myself a “NEWB” “NOOB” , I have learnt most maps now and consider myself as gettin quite good at the game, without any help from you “VETS”. IMHO if you want to rid the game of the so called “NOOBS” “NEWBS” then maybe if you just took a little time out to explain what to do on maps, rather than flame a new player, then the problem just may go away, but if you carry on flaming, then the new players will just run around shooting anybody and think its some kind of deathmatch. I have never played wolfenstein nor ET before 2 weeks ago,and I must say this game is awesome, I just wish pple who know what the`re doing would be a little more understanding.

(damocles) #18

As one of those so called “vets” or whatever the hell you n00bs want to call us :smiley: I have to say I have absolutely no problem with newbit players. Usually newbies will ide easily and may not know good tactics, but they are infinitely preferable to XP whores, TK’ers and general lamers.

Yesterday I saw quite possibly the worst display of xp whoring ever. I was playing on Railgun as allies. On an 8 man team, 2 of use were trying to stop the tug while the other 6 never moved from the allied spawn. They just stood there all round handing out ammo and health to each other. An axis field ops must have thought it was xmas when he ventured in there and was able to airstrike the lot of them.

The irony is that the pillocks probably only got 1/4 of the XP they could have got if they had fought hard and made the round last longer than 5 minutes.

(Nite) #19

I have no problem in trying to teach less experienced players what the obj of each map is if they want to learn however the problem I have is when they dont want your help and carry on planting mines in stupid places guarding the wrong place etc. and have a go at you for trying to help :???:

and yeah ET is a well good game :notworthy:

(wouter) #20

Noob and vets. Don’t make me laugh. If there’s someone that played ET for over a year might start calling himself a ‘vet’.

Now for a nice example about noobs and vets or rather stupid, somewhat smarter and smart players:
Take a map like Seawall Battery, playing as Axis:
“Noob”: Due to his curious nature he tends to explore places. He likes going out of the backdoor. Where he will probably be awaited by half the opposite team.

“Vet”: Knows about knicking uniforms and how the backdoor can be used. Will avoid going out there at all costs. Will kick people off the/their server for going out there (honestly, happened to me).

“Smarter person”: Rushes to backdoor, goes out, builds command post and makes sure nobody gets past that small corridor over there and does it with considerable ease.

So just to end this incredibly moronic notion of noobs and vets you can just talk about smart actions and less smart actions. FFS, we’re all noobs at this point in time.