My complaints about none bots in Quake Wars!

(Nissen2k) #1

I just read that the this will be a online game ONLY. What are you guys thinking? Both Unreal, Battlefield, Quake, Counter-Strike +++ have bots.

Maybe you havent noticed but Battlefield has their own large single player community. Check out this site: http://hosted.planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/battlefieldsingleplayer/

And their forum: Our members have made a total of 32487 posts
We have 1403 registered members

Counter-Strike Condition Zero and Source also has it:

Its terrible that you guys choose to not include bots. Online games fade away after some time because people move on to other games, and then the game is worthless. Also, there are also people out there with poor connections. And some people actully prefeer off-line.

(Joe999) #2

hello Nissen2k, welcome and to you as well a nice sunday afternoon :slight_smile:

(Floris) #3

I AM SURE that there will be 3rd party bots avaible pretty soon after the release of ET:QW, look at Omni-bot for Quake 4!!!

(Grey Wolf=GCHQ=) #4

Yes bot mods are usually made for this kind of thing, though my community rarely touches single player.

(Gringo) #5

Those people who prefer off-line gamin should not buy ET:QW then. Thats a fairly simple solution to that problem.

Also ur point about online games fading away quicker. The life span of ET disproves that theory.

Who cares if all those other games has bots. SD are setting out to do something different from all those previous games. New ideas=longer life span. Re-hashing the same old idea’s merely leaves gamers dissappointed and looking for the next game, hoping that it will do somethin new and different!

ET:QW will be innovation not imitation :tapir:

(kamikazee) #6

Amen, and may the tapir bless ya.

(Nissen2k) #7

So its possible for people to make own bots after the game is released?

(Salteh) #8

There are multiple people working on Quake 4 bots atm, and there’s the “omni bot” for W:ET, so it’s not impossible. :slight_smile:

(kamikazee) #9

Yes.
There are several ways of doing this:

  • making a pass-trough dll for the server like U-bot does
  • making a mod bot-supported like Omnibot where the bot code “hooks on to” the normal mod code.

It’s certainly possible and remember that ET didn’t have any bots neither when it was released. (There was only some left-over game code which was actually cripled by the engine)

(baff) #10

I bought a set of Battlefield 2 discs for my LAN.

It has no co-op vs bot mode.
Expensive mistake.

I now play Star wars Galatic Battlegrounds 2.
It is the same game engine but has bot’s available.

When friends come over joining a server of internet hitmen who all know the maps and have played forever isn’t the level or style of gaming I am looking for.

When I am alone in the house that is the kind of game I wish to play, but mainly I buy games to play with friends. (Real ones with beer not the teamspeak people who live in my computer).

For me this is a value for money decision, I cannot afford to buy six copies of every game I am not going to play much. Co-op bots (yay hundreds of kills for the noobs!) is very high on the list of features I am looking for. Perhaps even at the top.

Being offered the hope of a mod in the future or maybe they will add it in a patch doesn’t cut it with me.
I won’t pay for imaginary features or amateur unsupported programming.
(I absolutely love mods, and modders but as a network manager I don’t have time to install and test on multiple machines with a room full of drunk impatient people all wondering where the game is.
It must be a standard option from launch that an idiot could find before I will bank on it.

What it comes down to, for me, is value for money.
A game like this will cost me a lot of money to play.
Apart from the £30 a copy, there is also the expected cost of upgrading.
I spent £400 on BF2.

The more gamestyles and features a game supports the better value for money it is.
Whether I am going to buy 6 copies or just 1, this game will be expensive.

If it has a co-op mode with bots, I will play it again and again at intervals over a period of 1 or 2 years until something better comes along.
If it is PvP only I will play it for 1 maybe 2 weekends in total.
I cannot afford to buy games for just 1 or 2 weekends play very often, if at all.

remember that ET didn’t have any bots neither when it was released

remember that ET was free.

(RosOne) #11

Did you buy a dozen copies of BF2 or are you calling a system upgrade “I spent <money> on <game>”?

Well, I can’t afford a 69" HDTV set. So guess what, I don’t have one.

RTCW wasn’t.

(Nissen2k) #12

Its OK to not include bots in Quake Wars if the game were free, but it isnt!

(Dazzamac) #13

I’m insulted, regularily meet and get drunk with many of the ‘teamspeak people who live in my computer’

I cannot afford to buy six copies of every game I am not going to play much.

Here’s an idea, buy one copy and tell your freeloading friends to get their own

What it comes down to, for me, is value for money.
A game like this will cost me a lot of money to play.
Apart from the £30 a copy, there is also the expected cost of upgrading.
I spent £400 on BF2.

The upgrades are across the board, you don’t have to upgrade every time you buy a game. You complain about it but look at the people who have a playstation, then a playstation 2 and an XBOX, now and XBOX 360. Your happy to upgrade them, why not the pc?
If your pc will run doom 3 or quake 4, you’ll be able to run QW

If it has a co-op mode with bots, I will play it again and again at intervals over a period of 1 or 2 years until something better comes along.
If it is PvP only I will play it for 1 maybe 2 weekends in total.
I cannot afford to buy games for just 1 or 2 weekends play very often, if at all.

You are a fickle person. Plenty of people have been playing ET from its release and still attracts huge numbers. For a game that has no standard bots or multiple game modes, why is it still the 7th biggest community in gaming. Don’t give me that free shit either. I have plenty of other online fps that offer me all of the game modes and single player options that I paid good money for yet I rarely play them because I believe ET is far superior.

(RosOne) #14

According to the National Organization of BugField 2 Players? Geez, you want bots, you won’t get bots, don’t buy it. Period.

(baff) #15

@Rossone i spent £400 on a combination of games and upgrades.
If i hadn’t have found that £400 I would not have been able to play.

p.s. RTCW had bots and wasn’t a game I would be intrested in buying.

@Dazz

The upgrades are across the board, you don’t have to upgrade every time you buy a game. You complain about it but look at the people who have a playstation, then a playstation 2 and an XBOX, now and XBOX 360. Your happy to upgrade them, why not the pc?
If your pc will run doom 3 or quake 4, you’ll be able to run QW

I’d upgrade everything in the whole world if I had the money Dazz.
I love upgrading my PCs.
It is however expensive and I don’t get to do it whenever I wish.
I tend to plan it around new release games that I am expecting to support for sometime to come.

You are a fickle person. Plenty of people have been playing ET from its release and still attracts huge numbers. For a game that has no standard bots or multiple game modes, why is it still the 7th biggest community in gaming.n’t give me that free shit eitherhave plenty of other online fps that offer me all of the game modes and single player options that I paid good money for yet I rarely play them because I believe ET is far superior.

Because it’s free.

I maybe a fickle person, but I am a fickle person with access to money intrested in buying new shooter games.
These are the kinds of features I am looking to pay for.
ET may have the 7th biggest online gaming community, but it doesn’t have the 7th biggest online paying gaming community.
If fact it was deemed unsellable

It is a competative market.
I am very intrested in this title, but as mentioned above the expenditure even for just the copies of the game is not something I can afford to take lightly, there are many other games out there that I will also enjoy.
I only wish to pay for the ones that I will still be playing in years to come.

(RosOne) #16

I find it always funny how people say they have upgraded their rig for <put game here>. Once you finish the game you take that new <put hardware part here> out?

RTCW didn’t have bots. Modders were working on bots and released a couple versions, but still RTCW had no bots.

(baff) #17

the bots were in SP.
And RTCW is still not a game I have ever been intrested in buying.

I more than 1 PC.
Once I finish playing the game I turn the computer off.

regardless of wheter i am able to use those upgrades for other purposes at a later stage, my point here is that I must find the initial outlay of money to add them in the first place in order to play new titles.

Since I will require upgrades to play, I must budget for them.

(Joe999) #18

don’t you confuse something here? :huh: or are you really saying that you play the same game with the same bots over and over again and it gives you more fun than if you would have real competition? :eek:

rofl :bump:

:blah: :nag:

(RosOne) #19

Oh, so you’re calling enemy NPC’s from the single player mode bots. I see. Well, ET:QW might have an intro, so maybe you’ll get bots afterall :wink:

(baff) #20

Yes I much prefer to play with bots.
We also do have real competion. There are actual humans with those bots, and they are sitting next to you.
Those bots are “your army of bots”.
Your leadership always defines every battle. Other players in the room lead the other bots. The frequency that you kill an actual person you know is much higher than in a game full of higher skilled humans.

It’s honest, simple, no-brainer fun. These kinds of games make a welcome interlude when we hit frustration point on the other more complex games we play. It’s fun to unwind with this kind of thing. I’m not in it for the challenge or to be world ranker no.1

Noobs and lower skilled players in the room can compete in the same games, as all players are supermen compared to bots. The level of challenge for them is still engrossing and they don’t just endlessly get raped into boredom by ultraleetpvp24/7 teamspeak nerds.

To compete in a team online I find I must join a “squad” of teampeakers who can match my skill both to compete with and against. Spawn raping noobs is boring, as is being spawn raped by ultrabastards.
With bots this isn’t part of the equation. I can play the same game at my own level with actual (non virtual) friends. Otherwise someone in the room will always be bored and not enjoying themselves/wanting to do something else and we will end up playing a different game.