My Biggest Disappointment


(Azev2000) #102

[QUOTE=St NickelStew;324783]I think I did get a quality product. I was so hyped about Brink I purchased three copies (and gave two away as gifts) for the pre-order bonuses. An XBL friend randomly game me the fourth (therefore, I have all pre-order bonuses).

I think I got a great game. Bethesda is a great publisher, arguably the best in the industry in my opinion. This game will be supported by Splash Damage, for whom this is literally “their baby”, and by Bethesda. Together they have already revealed that the first DLC will be free.

Wrinkles are being ironed out (360 patch was available this morning), and will continue to be ironed out as more patches come our way (for example, along with the DLC next month). I do kind-of wish that more people were hanging around to play the game, but those that do hang around are going to be some quality folks.[/QUOTE]

The first DLC is a joke and an insult that they would even have considered charging us. It took them over 3 years to produce this game with 8 maps and only 1 month to produce and entire DLC? Complete bull***T. That was content that was ready for release and removed as a cash grab.

If this is how they treat their “baby” then I am calling child services on their a**.


(p3trify) #103

I like Brink, its not the best game out there but its better than most shooters out there, and this is coming from someone who has so far bought every COD out there. No MP FPS has done a movement system like this, in other shooters you have to stop and hit a button to climb over obstacles and that’s on obstacles that you can actually climb over. And I’ll just go ahead COD has had worse issues than this game, such as the time when people had modded Xboxes and were playing online with infinite ammo.

This whole “Not like the trailers” argument is really sad. The only trailers that stray from the actual game are early development trailers. How many games have been released that are actually like early development trailers also know as ‘teaser trailers’? Practically none. Things change during the development process and if you can’t understand this then you really shouldn’t even talk. Look at the Fable games, they are the biggest disappointments ever. SD developers never said “Everything in the trailers will be in the game,” however Peter Molyneux actually said things would be in the Fable sequels that ended up not being added. And Lionhead never apologized for it or offered free DLC.

This game is worth more than $20, it is a lot better than TF2, the most casual FPS out there, and TF2 was originally the same price as this.


(St NickelStew) #104

[QUOTE=Azev2000;324809]That was content that was ready for release and removed as a cash grab.
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Um, how do you know this?

DLC after release is a common industry practice. Some games have released DLC even on the day of release. The video game industry is a business. The do it to pay the salaries of their employees and to make money. I am quite excited about the DLC. That it is free is a bonus. I know I will buy all the DLC available for this game.


(Azev2000) #105

[QUOTE=St NickelStew;324813]Um, how do you know this?

DLC after release is a common industry practice. Some games have released DLC even on the day of release. The video game industry is a business. The do it to pay the salaries of their employees and to make money. I am quite excited about the DLC. That it is free is a bonus. I know I will buy all the DLC available for this game.[/QUOTE]

Don’t worry as soon as further DLC’s release the community will be even more separated. If a community of more than a few hundred is even left. The game was released with an embarrassingly low amount of content and was one of the major reasons for the backlash. Now shortly after they plan on charging for content. You tell me if that is a good idea for a new ip trying to make a good name for itself.


(eMwegA) #106

[QUOTE=Up&Down;324443]Go and watch trailers from BFBC2 and tell me it looks the same. Yes they ALL do it.

Upgrade your PC if you want to play the latest games, or go buy a console if can’t afford to keep up.

So funny reading these posts, just funny how ALL the same things get bitched about from the same minority for every game that gets released.[/QUOTE]

That post is so dumb and entirely wrong, i dont know where to start. You are really telling me that its my computers fault that brink has enormous fps drops and overall fps feels low too on the lowest possible setting? Also lowered the resolution. Okay my pc is not highend but HD5870 + E8400 isnt that bad. seems like you dont have a clue about computers… just go on spend money on quad crossfire PCs. btw the graphics in brink arent that great. i run games like deadspace 2 with 60fps+ and it looks so much better… (just another example. the other one is BFBC2)

“Minority” is a joke too… Check the “Technical issues” - Forum…


(St NickelStew) #107

Really? I have been on both these and the Bethesda forums since before the games release, and my impression is that the “backlash” is primarily due to online lag. And maybe lack of matchmaking abilities, which makes it more difficult for people to play online with friends (on the consoles, at least).

I have been quite content with the content … I still don’t know my way around half of the maps. I found one of the Command Posts for the first time just last night, and quite by accident.


(Azev2000) #108

[QUOTE=p3trify;324810]I like Brink, its not the best game out there but its better than most shooters out there, and this is coming from someone who has so far bought every COD out there. No MP FPS has done a movement system like this, in other shooters you have to stop and hit a button to climb over obstacles and that’s on obstacles that you can actually climb over. And I’ll just go ahead COD has had worse issues than this game, such as the time when people had modded Xboxes and were playing online with infinite ammo.

This whole “Not like the trailers” argument is really sad. The only trailers that stray from the actual game are early development trailers. How many games have been released that are actually like early development trailers also know as ‘teaser trailers’? Practically none. Things change during the development process and if you can’t understand this then you really shouldn’t even talk. Look at the Fable games, they are the biggest disappointments ever. SD developers never said “Everything in the trailers will be in the game,” however Peter Molyneux actually said things would be in the Fable sequels that ended up not being added. And Lionhead never apologized for it or offered free DLC.

This game is worth more than $20, it is a lot better than TF2, the most casual FPS out there, and TF2 was originally the same price as this.[/QUOTE]

Actually NO TF2 was released with THE ORANGE BOX. Half Life 2-Episode2 / Portal / TF2

All for the same price that brink charged for 1 game. Brink is a $20 dollar game. Nothing more.


(StillBatusBrad) #109

I’m in the “If they patch it quickly, sort out the online-lobby concerns and balance the bots, it’ll be bigger than GOD” camp.

Good game that MAY be great. Here’s hoping.


(St NickelStew) #110

[QUOTE=Azev2000;324829]
All for the same price that brink charged for 1 game. Brink is a $20 dollar game. Nothing more.[/QUOTE]

But I effectively paid $180 for the game (3 copies), and I am content. To each his own.
:stroggtapir:


(StillBatusBrad) #111

Really? DAMN!

I kind of envy you, in a way - I know every map blindfolded, and for me Brink is already getting a bit stale. I’m going to hang on to it and pray for the improvements I want to see, though. It’s going to take guaranteed 8v8 all-human matches to give Brink longevity, though, as the campaign is waaaaay too short and I already have 4 chars at lvl 20.


(St NickelStew) #112

[QUOTE=StillBatusBrad;324838]Really? DAMN!

I kind of envy you, in a way - I know every map blindfolded, and for me Brink is already getting a bit stale. I’m going to hang on to it and pray for the improvements I want to see, though. It’s going to take guaranteed 8v8 all-human matches to give Brink longevity, though, as the campaign is waaaaay too short and I already have 4 chars at lvl 20.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you regarding longevity.

I clearly don’t know the maps as well as you do because I am still catching up in terms of gameplay time … I only have 1 level 20 character who is a Medic. Then I have characters at 11, 11, 12 and 15. My Medic primarily hangs around main objectives trying to keep those people alive, so I haven’t had much opportunity to “explore” yet.


(StillBatusBrad) #113

Assuming that the patch we’re expecting this week fixes the lag, If they fix the bot AI (balance it out) add lobbies and throw some neutral-objective maps out quickly enough, I think the Brink community will survive - from what I’m reading, they’ll need to be quick though.

I just hope SD are aware of the urgency - one would hope so?


(Jak Swift) #114

[QUOTE=Azev2000;324829]Actually NO TF2 was released with THE ORANGE BOX. Half Life 2-Episode2 / Portal / TF2

All for the same price that brink charged for 1 game. Brink is a $20 dollar game. Nothing more.[/QUOTE]

Haha 20 dollars is like 10 pounds, the day i can buy xbox games for a tenner hahaha.


(Azev2000) #115

You can. Xbox live download. For example Section 8 Prejudice is sold there for $15.


(Jess Alon) #116

I heard that game is better then the original they sold for full price.


(p3trify) #117

[QUOTE=Azev2000;324829]Actually NO TF2 was released with THE ORANGE BOX. Half Life 2-Episode2 / Portal / TF2

All for the same price that brink charged for 1 game. Brink is a $20 dollar game. Nothing more.[/QUOTE]

Oh yea, forgot it was part of orange box, my bad. Still, the point is Brink has more content than a lot of games released at full price. For being in development since 1998 I would say TF2 was highly lacking in content, as is all of the Orange Box. It was definitely not worth 50$, $30 at most. Half-Life 1 was a game worth $50, HL2 and the Orange Box had nothing content wise comparable to HL1, BS and OF aside from better graphics and a new engine. Might I add that the Unreal 3 engine is remarkably better than Source. Portal and Ep. 2 were really short and TF2 is just a crappy casual-ized version of TFC with improved graphics and a cartoon art style . I remember when games like Quake 3 were released with a price of $50 and had less content at launch and the only thing it had on a lot of modern games was the ability to make mods and maps. Those old games still tend to be better than most modern games even in their vanilla state. This new generation of gamers expect to be fed everything for little or no cost. I think the devs should release an SDK or at least a map-maker, then no one would have the right to cry.

From how you’ve spoken you have shown that you really lack any knowledge on true game development. The 8 (OH NOES!) maps this game has can last 20 minutes or more depending on whats going on and each map is very dynamic. All of the maps have different objectives as well, and make them stand out from the last. Even if these objectives boil down to the same mechanics it is still highly diverse compared to other shooters. COD:BO was released with 14 maps that were completely static. The most BO has is that it has multiple game modes that get really old really fast. Every map has the same object for each game mode, SnD: Set up/defuse bomb or kill players etc… And on games like COD it always ends up being DM because players tend to care more about their K/D than the objective. I put BO down after 3 months of playing it, and all the DLC ever is is a map pack that just changes the scenery and layout, never the gameplay. Every match in Brink can be different depending on who you are playing with and against and it has high potential for future expandability.

You have yet to point out any good reasons why this game is worth only $20, you haven’t compared it to anything and are relying highly on logical fallacies which make your arguments even that much weaker. Please form a decent argument and come back.

On another subject I also want to point out that I’m using an HD 5770 and AMD Phenom II 1090T and get around 30-50 FPS depending on what settings I use, the only drop I notice is when I use Ambient Occlusion which brings my FPS down to the 20s.


(Azev2000) #118

[QUOTE=p3trify;324905]Oh yea, forgot it was part of orange box, my bad. Still, the point is Brink has more content than a lot of games released at full price. For being in development since 1998 I would say TF2 was highly lacking in content, as is all of the Orange Box. It was definitely not worth 50$, $30 at most. Half-Life 1 was a game worth $50, HL2 and the Orange Box had nothing content wise comparable to HL1, BS and OF aside from better graphics and a new engine. Might I add that the Unreal 3 engine is remarkably better than Source. Portal and Ep. 2 were really short and TF2 is just a crappy casual-ized version of TFC with improved graphics and a cartoon art style . I remember when games like Quake 3 were released with a price of $50 and had less content at launch and the only thing it had on a lot of modern games was the ability to make mods and maps. Those old games still tend to be better than most modern games even in their vanilla state. This new generation of gamers expect to be fed everything for little or no cost. I think the devs should release an SDK or at least a map-maker, then no one would have the right to cry.

From how you’ve spoken you have shown that you really lack any knowledge on true game development. The 8 (OH NOES!) maps this game has can last 20 minutes or more depending on whats going on and each map is very dynamic. All of the maps have different objectives as well, and make them stand out from the last. Even if these objectives boil down to the same mechanics it is still highly diverse compared to other shooters. COD:BO was released with 14 maps that were completely static. The most BO has is that it has multiple game modes that get really old really fast. Every map has the same object for each game mode, SnD: Set up/defuse bomb or kill players etc… And on games like COD it always ends up being DM because players tend to care more about their K/D than the objective. I put BO down after 3 months of playing it, and all the DLC ever is is a map pack that just changes the scenery and layout, never the gameplay. Every match in Brink can be different depending on who you are playing with and against and it has high potential for future expandability.

You have yet to point out any good reasons why this game is worth only $20, you haven’t compared it to anything and are relying highly on logical fallacies which make your arguments even that much weaker. Please form a decent argument and come back.

On another subject I also want to point out that I’m using an HD 5770 and AMD Phenom II 1090T and get around 30-50 FPS depending on what settings I use, the only drop I notice is when I use Ambient Occlusion which brings my FPS down to the 20s.[/QUOTE]

Your dismissal of everything is a complete joke. The fact that you bashed all of the games in the orange box is proof enough of how blind of an SD fanboy you are.You do realize COD has a detailed campaign right? Along with more maps and more game types. I am in no way a fan of COD but your reason to dismiss there content was because you don’t enjoy it.

You reason for BRINK being better is due to it having high potential. Well we have heard that many times from the gaming industry and 99/100 times its complete bull.

My issue is not performance. I get over 100fps with AO off. My issue is with the game. Now I bet you felt all great typing out your last paragraph and probably were all proud of yourself for managing to use “logical fallacies” in a sentence. Then topped it off my really thinking you nailed me by saying “Please form a decent argument and come back”. I laugh at your attempt at being a “look I can sound smart and be tough at the same time mentality”.

All I have to say is keep drinking the SD koolaid and waiting for the miracle patch comet that will never arrive.


(Azev2000) #119

Oh yeah and just a nice stat for you.

Peak players today 4,560

That’s 700 less than yesterday and 20k less than release. Looks like a lot more people see it my way :slight_smile:

*These are PC population numbers


(Kalbuth) #120

Yeah, cool, people leaving, omg this game must be crap, the masses don’t follow …

/sarcasm

BTW, first DLC will be free. Hardly a cash cow …


(fearlessfox) #121

[QUOTE=Kalbuth;324935]Yeah, cool, people leaving, omg this game must be crap, the masses don’t follow …

/sarcasm

BTW, first DLC will be free. Hardly a cash cow …[/QUOTE]

For all we know the first DLC was content that they couldn’t get out in time.

Regardless, there’s no way they could charge for the first DLC after such a botched release.