That train of thought pretty much goes against everything SD said they were going for - hence the whole “merging” of SP and MP.
The first human to ride a horse was “lazy”. He could also travel further and move all his possessions around more easily.
If use of Steamworks means more resources available to improve the shooty shooty bang bang part of the game, good.
exactly. work smarter, not harder.
And you dont think training a horse and feed him in order to ride him is smarter (ie : harder) than going by foot… Oh man if you guys cant grasp this basic I dont see the point to go further.
Peace
And you dont think training a horse and feed him in order to ride him is smarter (ie : harder) than going by foot… Oh man if you guys cant grasp this basic I dont see the point to go further.
Yes, you clearly know what you’re talking about…walking is definitely the easier, more efficient way. Forgive us for questioning your knowledge, Lord Apples.
it’s the same concept with a bike. Is someone “lazy” because they ride a bike instead of walking…doing things the “easy way?” I don’t think so…
If we’re going to torture the analogy somewhat then Steamworks is a horse someone else fed and trained for you.
Because the domestication of horses is very relevant to the topic at hand. Senethro’s metaphor, if perhaps a bit crude, did make its point across. I think the fact that you can’t seem to grasp Splash Damage’s reason to go with Steam is more alarming, not even mentioning your inability to grasp why splitting the userbase through another version would be catastrophic both commercially and consumer-wise, good sir Apples.
Peace!
If (and here if is the keyword…) we accept his metaphor… then coding the features is the way I would consider the smarter, as species evolution wise the more diversity = the more stability, and again, if steam dies tomorrow, everyone is screwed, oh wai, not those programmer who didnt bet on steam, good bet!
Read again please, I never stated that splitting the community is the way to go, I stated that the choices SD made werent the better in my opinion, the alarming part to me is where you read beetween the lines and cant at least enounce my points clearly…
So while I get the reasons behind SD’s choice (copy/paste is idd faster and less ressource eater than coding the stuff) it doesnt disallow me to state that I dont think its the best way to go does it? And regarding the splitting community I guess I stated (maybe not enough times apparently…) that what’s done is done and I couldnt do anything to change the choice of distribution.
Now we can go on and on for pages here, but I guess each time I 'll say something many of you guys will read the first two lines and regurgitate the same answers as usual, if we cant have a civil discussion it’s not really my problem here.
Peace
Ok, you’re arguing a hypothetical situation where Brink is at the beginning of development, not an actual proposal about what should be happening now. That makes sense.
Not my bad if the information about Brink being steam only showed up like 2 weeks ago… Maybe sooner tho, I admit I dont dig ALL the interviews around the web.
Well you were talking about the harder being the smarter and now you are doing the duality beetween harder and easier… If you change the definition of “harder” each posts I admit I cant keep up. Physicaly wise it is harder to walk I guess, time consuming wise training the horse is the harder, and as coding isnt much physical I think the right definition of harder is smarter here.
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lol. all I know is the first person to ride a horse most assuredly had the crap kicked out of him several times before he ever got to ride anywhere.
but back on topic, Steam it is, Bethesda probably has more to do with it than Splash Damage, and I doubt they really care whether I like Steam or not, something like their lack of Linux or Mac clients for previous games
My mistake if I read more into your post than was readily available, Apples; after several pages with different users’ opinions about this topic my recollection of who said what has been somewhat juggled. Good to see that you, unlike some other people here, aren’t conservative enough to think that ditching Steam and/or releasing a Steamless version is the way to go. Regarding your last paragraph, I’m sure everyone here feels like they’re quoted out of context and due to ignorance generally don’t get their points across.
I feel this thread has derailed from its original intent. Does anyone here still plead for SD to release a non-Steam version of the game?
And to everyone: Enough with the horse metaphor, please! 
I believe I have to join the anti-steam crowd.
WTF IS THIS ****? I WANT MY SHATTERED HORIZON!!!
Edit: That’s weird, tokamak. I’m online and playing right now. Try and delete your clientregistry.blob, that always works. 
Edit #2: Tried logging out and then logging in, still no problem for me. There’s no scheduled downtime either.
[quote=tokamak;224601]I believe I have to join the anti-steam crowd.
WTF IS THIS ****? I WANT MY SHATTERED HORIZON!!!
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real or fake, it is still lawlz.
[quote=Voxie;224596]
And to everyone: Enough with the horse metaphor, please! :D[/quote]
If HORSE of these forums has a kid with a US democrat, the kid will join the US military academy.
Now imagine the emotions of a person who comes home after a long holiday, opens steam and finds himself banned. Having never cheated or given an account to anyone, it could get very mindblowing. What’s worse, he has no idea when something weird was detected so he doesn’t even know how to prove he isn’t cheating, not to mention that zero-tolerance policy. A risk i’d rather not take.
I’m trying to imagine, but it’s never happened to me… it’s never happened to any one I know. It’s always “this guy” or “someone on a forum”… never heard anyone with 1st hand recollection who is a reliable source.
I apologise for also adding to it: I was actually thinking the same thing as Voxie (Post 130), about a page ago.
This thread was a plea for SD to make a non-Steam port of the game. Whether or not we agree should be in the To Steam or Not To Steam thread, but as typical forum users our views must all be heard lol. Sorry all those asking for non-Steam. We should probably get more on topic.
I don’t really care if this game is distributed through steam or not, or if you need steam to play it. I find it unfair to those who can’t use steam, or have problems with steam in the past.
As much as we all hate cheaters, the current method that is supposedly used for this game means no mercy to those who have a banned steam account. It may be a good thing to us, but I feel that is a little too harsh, so there definitely should be alternate methods to distribute and authenticate the game.
