Yeah I don’t get it either. I find it really sad when it’s not just the levels either, but the game is like 6 vs 4, no people are joining, and no one wants to balance it
Make the balance work
MethodOwn
(MethodOwn)
#122
Algorithms can’t fix bad map design. With the developers apparently building the game around Stopwatch and Execution, balance in Objective doesn’t seem like a priority, or even a possibility when team sizes can range from 5v5 to 8v8.
Atagi
(Atagi)
#123
Just had a similar match. I was in the loser team which got steamrolled and then failed to even do the first objective. We had 2 afk players and the vote to kick them always failed. The vote to shuffle also always failed so we got spawnkilled again.
Can you finally fix this problem? People afk ingame and you can’t even kick them because the vote always fails. The vote to shuffle also always fails because people prefer to spawnkill the other team instead of a fair fight. The vote system is so broken!
LifeupOmega
(LifeupOmega)
#125
Auto balance just makes people quit from experience, after years of playing games with an auto balance system - any time people would get switched they’d just spectate or quit. Having all your work undone is one of the most frustrating feelings in a game.
Honestly, pub balance will never be a thing.
Apofenas
(Apofenas)
#126
[quote=“LifeupOmega;135986”]Auto balance just makes people quit from experience, after years of playing games with an auto balance system - any time people would get switched they’d just spectate or quit. Having all your work undone is one of the most frustrating feelings in a game.
Honestly, pub balance will never be a thing.[/quote]
That’s why i suggest system to ask players if they want to even things up in a first place or compensate team switch with credits. I dislike auto balance system for example in TF2 where system switches to other team the first player who died. It should be based on people’s will to play balanced game and there is a lot of such people in this community.
Maddpadd
(Maddpadd)
#127
I really don’t get how SD determines who gets shuffled but it always feels like me.
The thing is I rarely spawn trap/rape & when games go like that I normally sit back & cover the objective & flanks & just chill, I have even turned a blind eye on occasions to a proxy or two getting through & let them arm 
IMO if nobody on my team wants to play the OBJ & is spawn trapping then the players that have broke out deserve the arm.
But if a shuffle gets passed its always me that gets moved, why not move some of the players killing at/in/around spawn?
On a side note!
I actually view spawn trapping especially higher more experienced levels vrs low level players very unsporting & cancerous to the growth of the game, wots funny is I actually saw low levels trying to push into my spawn the other day it was quite epic fail on their part as they just got murdered & left on long spawns with nobody guarding their objectives.
Just irks me that players want to turn the meta into spawn locks instead of playing the actual objective & somthing is wrong when low bobs are trying to play like that.
Dont get me wrong sometime its the only way to win due to the maps, trainyard & chapels last objective require pushing the other team back to the point you are killing them as they leave spawn.
or
An attacking team on chapel mainly consisting of vassili is asking for it.
Sometimes I just feel like DB players can be pretty unsporting/toxic meh! maybe I’m just feeling a little burned out from playing so much during the holidays…rant/
Snack_Toxin1
(Snack Toxin)
#128
Should it be removed? No.
Should there be limits on how many times it can be used or when it can be used? Yes.
For example, one shuffle got called in a match that had 1:30 left to go. The shuffle passed and I got swapped over to the losing team, cheating me out of a victory.
In cases like this, shuffle should be disabled once the timer gets to a certain threshold.
SereneFlight1
(SereneFlight)
#129
Player levels = better skillz, teamwork and team composition.
Sure. Obviously. How couldn’t I see it before.
Sithas
(Sithas)
#130
People want easy wins, hell my last match was 8vs6, shuffle vote didnt work (like always) so i asked if someone want to join the losing team. All i got was a preach how i got to suck it up, and that we are losing because we were bad players and totally not because we just lacked the manpower… And the rest of players just stayed quiet and continued spawncamping for the whole match. Seriously i dont see how people can have fun with no real resistance or chance of losing.
True balance in pubs will indeed never happen. But a auto balance system in pubs, would atleast make the matches more fun.
jollyRacer
(jollyRacer)
#131
I consider myself an above average player in this game and thing is, we can’t just expect the game to be totally balanced just based on levels. Just look at counter-strike 1.6 in the past, there are no levels in that game and people had nothing like " oh they have more higher levels than us" type of feedback.
This is an FPS game and I do know that level count for experience but still, as per what backuplight said,
" The game does keep track of wins and losses, not that most (I imagine) care. I feel like at this point we’d be better off with max level 10 servers instead of the max level 5, and then just… every other server. After that, if you’re on a losing team and you’re getting rekt, you no longer have the inexperience excuse."
Once you’re past level 10, dude. If you’re getting spawncamped, try to get out of the situation. I never complain if im getting spawncamped and I make my shots count when my team is backed up to the corner.
I mean, come on guys. Everytime you’re losing, are you going to plead for someone to swap over? I seldom get spawncamped and when I do, i would only encourage my team to pick more suitable mercs and try to turn it around.
Practise and get better. Please do not harp onto the excuse that the opponent team has the better teammates, that’s why you lost.
Ctrix
(Ctrix)
#132
People ragequitting isn’t really the fault of the winning team’s players though. Why should they lose out on winning because some other guys can’t take a loss?
Most of the time, shuffle votes are called if defenders lose an objective, regardless if the team is imbalanced or not. People get disinclined to ever vote yes, similar to how people will vote no on a kick vote if the target is the lowest ranking guy, even if he’s been afk for 2 minutes. Because so many times people just vote to kick noobs.
Many people I’ve interacted with in-game on such occations have said that “they were losing the last couple matches” or other phrases when questioned about they voted no on an obviously imbalanced match (spawntrapped; 4v6; etc).
It comes down to the fact that people don’t like losing, doesn’t matter what the scores say. They want to hear the announcer say “You did it boys, good job”. They want to feel the good feeling that comes from having done something successful. And I share that sentiment, though I also dislike boring games. So I can’t fault them for that.
The thing is just, it’s pug servers and rage quitting can’t be prevented, you’ll just have to wait for new people to join to balance it out. Which they do.
Stopwatch is a different case since it’s such a long match and team vs team is such a central aspect compared to objective. Honestly I feel that you shouldn’t even play Stopwatch outside of Ranked. And I don’t. I wish ranked worked so I could play Stopwatch, but until they fix it I simply won’t because it doesn’t work with pugs.
Ctrix
(Ctrix)
#133
[quote=“Ctrix;136083”]People ragequitting isn’t really the fault of the winning team’s players though. Why should they lose out on winning because some other guys can’t take a loss?
Most of the time, shuffle votes are called if defenders lose an objective, regardless if the team is imbalanced or not. People get disinclined to ever vote yes, similar to how people will vote no on a kick vote if the target is the lowest ranking guy, even if he’s been afk for 2 minutes. Because so many times people just vote to kick noobs.
Many people I’ve interacted with in-game on such occations have said that “they were losing the last couple matches” or other phrases when questioned about they voted no on an obviously imbalanced match (spawntrapped; 4v6; etc).
It comes down to the fact that people don’t like losing, doesn’t matter what the scores say. They want to hear the announcer say “You did it boys, good job”. They want to feel the good feeling that comes from having done something successful. And I share that sentiment, though I also dislike boring games. So I can’t fault them for that.
The thing is just, it’s pug servers and rage quitting can’t be prevented, you’ll just have to wait for new people to join to balance it out. Which they do.
Stopwatch is a different case since it’s such a long match and team vs team is such a central aspect compared to objective. Honestly I feel that you shouldn’t even play Stopwatch outside of Ranked. And I don’t. I wish ranked worked so I could play Stopwatch, but until they fix it I simply won’t because it doesn’t work with pugs.[/quote]
Most of the time a losing team is losing because everyone goes solo mode. You need to stick together and fight as 6 if you want to beat entrenched defenders. If you can’t duel them you need to outnumber. But people run off in different directions trying to split up defenders who already got all routes covered optimally.
BananaSlug
(BananaSlug)
#134
if there is unbalanced mach and i have opportunity to change team i am almost always doing that, but it really hurts when game is unbalanced and guy form stomping team is saying “gg” 
Black2
(Black)
#135
[quote=“tominatorx;123708”]The reason why it sometimes doesn’t work is because you need at least one vote from the other team that says “yes”. Also this is when everyone in your own team has voted for “yes” otherwise you will need more votes from the enemy team.
We’ve discussed this topic before on the forum. The conlcusion was pretty simple. There are still a lot of people who just prefer to stomp people and spawnkilling them instead of having a balanced fight. It’s sad but true.
As for the AFK players: say to your team why you want to kick him because sometimes there are people that are just frustrated who then start trying to kick players from their own team for no good reason. That happened yesterday in the last 30 seconds of a match that my team was losing a guy tried to kick our best player just to troll so my advice would be to give enough information as to why you want to kick someone. :)[/quote]
I’ve made a thread about this previously but the biggest flaw in DB’s voting is that they count the absence of a vote as a no. That is completely undemocratic and not even a vote. I don’t want to harass or nag my team about voting.
I kid you not, I’ve had times where a player was CLEARLY afk so I started a vote kick telling me he was afk and people voted no. Lord have mercy.
Sithas
(Sithas)
#137
@Ctrix
You quoted a post from a other thread, i think you made a mistake. And meant to answer it on that other thread, 
tominatorx
(tominatorx)
#140
[quote=“BlackFro;136105”][quote=“tominatorx;123708”]The reason why it sometimes doesn’t work is because you need at least one vote from the other team that says “yes”. Also this is when everyone in your own team has voted for “yes” otherwise you will need more votes from the enemy team.
We’ve discussed this topic before on the forum. The conlcusion was pretty simple. There are still a lot of people who just prefer to stomp people and spawnkilling them instead of having a balanced fight. It’s sad but true.
As for the AFK players: say to your team why you want to kick him because sometimes there are people that are just frustrated who then start trying to kick players from their own team for no good reason. That happened yesterday in the last 30 seconds of a match that my team was losing a guy tried to kick our best player just to troll so my advice would be to give enough information as to why you want to kick someone. :)[/quote]
I’ve made a thread about this previously but the biggest flaw in DB’s voting is that they count the absence of a vote as a no. That is completely undemocratic and not even a vote. I don’t want to harass or nag my team about voting.
I kid you not, I’ve had times where a player was CLEARLY afk so I started a vote kick telling me he was afk and people voted no. Lord have mercy.[/quote]
Yeah that’s definitely something that should be fixed. It happened to me multiple times as well in the past. There’s definitely a need for a voting system that doesn’t count an absence as a no. Those who don’t vote, don’t count that’s how it should be imo. So they’re not favouring a vote but not disfavouring a vote either.