Make the balance work


(Apofenas) #1

Hello!

I was spectrating 3v6 game when i started writing this. I played a 3v6 right before on that server and didn’t have a mood to participate in another unfair one.

Balancing in this game is obviously fucked up. Those shuffle team votes never pass. This has to get at least some attention from game developers. First thing that needs changin is auto-balance system itself.

By that i mean what team shuffle vote does. Would you want to appear in losing team in last minute without ability to change anything? - No? Than press “No”. That means game has to restart once vote passed through with keeping gained XP before vote.

Another thing is how vote works. Basicly with even teams you need your team and somebody from other team to vote “yes”… If you have a couple players less, somebody just joining in game and still loading in lobby, AFK or simply new player, no vote is going to pass. System needs remove afk players to spectrators after 30-40 seconds of idling and than kick after 2 minutes from spectrators. It also must not take into account players that still pick mercs and load outs in lobby before joining. Each team should have 50% votes total votes, that means in team with 4 members each member has 12.5% vote while in team with 8 members - 6.25%. If you get 60% “yes” votes total, shuffle passes and 2 players that voted “yes” change team and game restarts as 6v6.

Auto-balance system would be good if it’s made properly. If one team has 2 players less it should ask all players in bigger team if someone wants to change team to keep a balance. If multiple players agree - system takes their XP into account. To promote team swap i’d suggest to grant from 25 to 100 credits depending on how close is the end of game.

Funny quote from that 3v6 game. “Why do you whine about balance?” - somebody from 6 player team


(tominatorx) #2

The reason why it sometimes doesn’t work is because you need at least one vote from the other team that says “yes”. Also this is when everyone in your own team has voted for “yes” otherwise you will need more votes from the enemy team.

We’ve discussed this topic before on the forum. The conlcusion was pretty simple. There are still a lot of people who just prefer to stomp people and spawnkilling them instead of having a balanced fight. It’s sad but true.

As for the AFK players: say to your team why you want to kick him because sometimes there are people that are just frustrated who then start trying to kick players from their own team for no good reason. That happened yesterday in the last 30 seconds of a match that my team was losing a guy tried to kick our best player just to troll so my advice would be to give enough information as to why you want to kick someone. :slight_smile:


(supergonzo) #3

I like votes for shuffle just a few seconds/minutes before the match ends.


(bontsa) #4

Oh yes, if I could materialize the salt included in those specific votes I could season food for myself and plausible future family for 10 years!

I think theres exactly one of the reasons votes don’t get passed mentioned here already: no enough “advertising” of why and that there actually is one going on. People miss that small box way too easily. Also a little, constructed “Is this balanced really?” shoutout in text-chat might actually get some of the stomping team to vote yes for shuffle too. Not everyone is a jerk.

However I’ve often seen situations where shuffle is hit only because of “omgfhzga dem levelz!” when stomped team is running 4 Vaselines and 2 Phantoms. I wish hitting shuffle vote would at the same time give system notification “You bloody serious?” if either of the teams is running more than 3 recons.


(Atagi) #5

This game has a big problem with balancing. Sometimes I try to do it becasue the other team has no chance at all. Then my own team votes no. Its really boring if the teams are not balanced. For both sides!


(Frogteam) #6

I’ve actually seen two shuffle votes pass within the last week or two. You just need to believe hard enough.

Also spam the vote like four or five times till people give up and vote yes.

This is a real Signature.


(bontsa) #7

[quote=“Frogteam;123886”]I’ve actually seen two shuffle votes pass within the last week or two. You just need to believe hard enough.

Also spam the vote like four or five times till people give up and vote yes.
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Holy crap @Frogteam congratz for the promotion, nice sign :wink:

You almost got me damnit


(Backuplight) #8

The few times I’ve seen them shuffle, they didn’t really fix the teams. Some attacking teams just give up a little too easily which doesn’t help.


(Jostabeere) #9

Shuffle actually works for me quite often in the last time. Seems more and more people are aware of the team shuffle.


(brennanfreak) #10

I’ve seen it work once yesterday.


(Pacmikey) #11

Today I played a game where we got shuffled 3-4 times. I was part of it and always voted yes.


(Atagi) #12

[left]I just joined a stopwatch match where my team wasn’t able to repair the ev. They got raped when they left the spawn. Sometimes even got killed at the spawn. I called the vote to shuffle the whole match which should be more than 10 min. Guess what? It didn’t work!

The vote system in dirty bomb is really broken. Teams get spawn killed because they are so unbalanced. Why can’t we have at least a fair shuffle at the begin of each match? The vote syste as it is now is broken. Some people prefer to keep their unfair team and spawn kill the weak team instead of a fair fight.

See what I mean?






Now this was weird:
http://i.imgur.com/fWmEB12.png[/left]


(Fiktio) #13

Even if the shuffle vote many times won’t pass, it’s still good to have the option available in case teams actually wants to be fair and try to get some balance.
It’s still better than not having shuffle option at all.

I always vote “Yes” for shuffle as long as the vote is done at clever time.
And by this I mean that the vote will not pop up after most of the match is already over and there’s only 2 last minutes left. If winning team had to play most of the round and at final point a bit desperate vote pops up, it’s better to give the winning team their victory and try to balance at the beginning of the next round.

Though often I’ve also seen that some players vote for shuffle at very beginning of the match when nothing interesting happened yet and the result of the shuffle is that attackers are now defending and so on. Nothing really changed, because the balance was already done at the lobby.

I get it why the shuffle in the middle of the match would be needed when new players joined to the match in the middle, but unfortunately not everyone are fair and some players wants to get carried to the victory and that’s why they vote “No” for the shuffle.
But it’s good to remember that not everyone are selfish like that. Sometimes the shuffle actually works and the better balance will actually be reality. :slight_smile:


(Atagi) #14

[left]I also noticed some higher levels are winner team joiners. This happened many times already. They either join the winner team or leave the match if they can’t do that.

See here:

When the game started we had only a few players ingame. During the game some of our team switched the sides to the other higher levels and we end up with unfair teams.[/left]


(Atagi) #15

Can we have a working shuffle or something to make fair teams? The stronger team prefers to spawnkill and votes no. A shuffle system as it is now makes no sense.

Yesterday I was in a stronger team and my team started to spawnkill the enemys so I called a vote and had 5 people voting no. Its so boring and really not fun. I don’t know who prefers to spawn kill people but its really boring and lame.


(SaulWolfden) #16

Yeah, I really dislike stomping regards if I’m on the team stomping or the team being stomped.


(Ritobasu) #17

People like you annoy me and make me change my loadout to the F2 card every single time

A vote shuffle should only be called once per match by a single person, and if I notice one person is abusing it I just simply go to console and find out who’s doing it and call them out publicly to explain themselves. Most of the time it’s when they’re usually one person down and a quarter to half of their team are Vassilis, so you can bet what my response is going to be if they insist teams are unfair


(Ctrix) #18

It pisses me the fuck of if the winning team says gg in chat.


(XavienX) #19

No.


(bontsa) #20

Nope.