Make the balance work

(Begin2013) #21

This is all the arguments you have? “no”? It isn’t a pool, that sh*t must be removed that’s all…

(N8o) #22

It would be a universal truth that everyone would whine that they can’t fix team balance.

Even as a person that thinks this community whines too much about things they could fix themselves, this is a terrible idea by taking away any chance of teams being balanced.

(Begin2013) #23

But the teams will be never balanced in the “losers” point of view. If you want some chances to win, learn to play and find some friends to be able to fight the “stronger” guys.

(N8o) #24

I don’t disagree. I am just saying, a majority of this community are very casual, and taking away their option to make the game more “balanced” would cause mass outrage.

Besides, most of the time, a fight is completely one sided.

(bontsa) #25

Well sigh, I wanted to add into Xavien’s short humour there but since it didn’t start a fancy little row going on…

In many matches shuffle is called multitude of times, why indeed yes. It can be due to saltiness, mishaps or even actual inbalance that winning team just doesn’t want to break because they’re dickbags. Multitude of reasons.

Does this however mean whole system should be abolished? No in my opinion and I am quite drunk, happy and bold to say I think quite a many agree on that point. Do doctors amputate both arms if only one pinky finger’s distal end has gone into necrosis? If surgeons around your area decide so, I would highly recommend seeking another living enviroment for the sake of not only sanity, but actual physical health too.

That vote must not be removed. It must be tinkered to be actually made viable, so that actual inbalance gets shuffled or at least attempted. As we do have to remember there are players and situations around that simply never ever cannot be balanced no matter how much shuffling happens. Losing happens, sad fact. Losing in balanced or at least attemptedly (is that even a word? Bollocks, now it is!) balanced enviroment however is not sad, but growth experience.

Autobalance would definitely be a very nice feature indeed in terms of inbalanced spawned by different player counts on teams, 4v6 or such as you stated. This however would be supporting feature for working shuffle vote and shuffle code, not a standalone magical silver bullet for all that is unbalanced in this cruel, harsh and heck even bloody darn cold (-22 is such bs but man I love the snow it looks so cool) world. Autobalance does nothing for huge skill differentiate, unlike shuffle should if it worked right.

Maybe now you see why I responded with “Nope.” Simplicity is so much more efficent. I do pardon for the misunderstoodment and plausible irritation my first posted comment caused.

(Jostabeere) #26

Both. A balance if one team has more players and a shuffle. Teamstacks, intentional or not should be shuffled away and can happen even in a X vs X game.
People like you misunderstand one thing. Players don’t shuffle to simply get a lose away. A fair balanced game, even if lost, is a nice game. People shuffle if one team is obviously stronger than the other and stomping them. Noone likes to be stomped and it’s not fun for the team that get stomped.
It even happens quite often that the Elo balance between rounds fails and puts best players against worst players. In such cases a shuffle in the game is very important.

(SereneFlight) #27

Because once you suggest something like removing the shuffle vote, people know that you’re not going to change your mind no matter what.

(Begin2013) #28

SereneFlight : You got the point, I will not change my mind. I’m level 35, I play with some friends between lvl 16 and 32 (usually we play at 2, sometimes 3) and everyday we are annoyed to get 4 shuffle vote per map in every match. And as everyone, we started at level 1 and got rekt at first.

Another point, I’m not bad with Proxy, Arty, Aura… But if I play Vassili or Sawbonez then I am a perfect noob… Then how do you “balance” me?

(Xan) #29

strawman fallacy once again?

(Begin2013) #30

Currently, it isn’t a team-play game any more. It’s like an huge arena, you can start in one side, and finish at the other side. Then the objective isn’t important and half of people play for kills and XP. No team-play spirit any more. They don’t think “wtf, we have no medic, I must play medic!”, they think “this is unbalanced”… Then they ask “shuffle”. All my “enemy territory” friends are already bored to play Dirtybomb.

(Mr-Penguin) #31

Min Level 10 servers solve all of those problems.

(Begin2013) #32

No, there is “shuffle” in min 10 too… And missing medics! (most guys play solo).

Currently, people play solo (even on 10+ servers), then they ask “shuffle” instead of understand they must play with other team mates.

THE BEST WAY TO BALANCE IS TO PLAY BETTER

(gg2ez) #33

[quote=“Begin2013;135046”]No, there is “shuffle” in min 10 too… And missing medics! (most guys play solo).

Currently, people play solo (even on 10+), then they ask “shuffle” instead of understand they must play with other team mates.[/quote]

I dunno about everyone else but the players in your region’s servers sound like real c*nts compared to my region’s servers (AUS). I haven’t gone without a reliable team for a while now.

(Begin2013) #34

gg2ez: Yes, that’s a good point. I play on Europa servers. Maybe that’s different on USA and AUS servers. I’m only talking about what I see on Europa servers. But we have a real problem with team game-play and shuffle vote abuse.

(ImSploosh) #35

I think we can all agree that generally speaking, the higher the level of a player, the more experience and skill he/she has. With that being said, it’s those “skilled” players that cause most of the imbalance issues in my experience. They purposely try to stack on one team, switch teams mid-battle (to stack), do not vote yes to shuffle clearly unbalanced teams, and help to ruin games that could have been fun, close battles. It’s not everyone, but it’s quite a few and it just bugs me. You would think that they’d like some competition and more credits, but noooope.

There’s also the issue on the other end with noobs doing the same thing and voting no because they like the stacked team their on. It’s no fun playing when your team has no chance of winning or when you can’t even get a kill because your teammates are killing everyone in the spawn!

I see your side of things though. I’ve been in matches where 10 shuffle votes have been started and none passed (this just got increasingly annoying, especially when the teams were already balanced). However, there’s those times when a much-needed shuffle finally passes after the third try! Some shuffles do nothing for team-balancing and actually make the teams more unbalanced. :frowning: For instance, I was on a winning team the other day, the game was fairly balanced, but a shuffle vote still passed (I fit F1 to switch a class sadly :frowning: ). I then died and ended up on a team with new players while the other team was stacked. We were also like 10 minutes into the game at this point.

Thankfully, the devs are prioritizing balance issues this time around from what I’ve heard.

(Begin2013) #36

Most of the time people wants to stack with friends, not with unknown people.

(ThiagoJaqueta) #37

Well, balance on pub is really hard to accomplish, and you want to remove the only thing that can make a pub match fun?

If you don’t want to bother with that, go play competitive, there’s no Shuffle Vote there.

(Jostabeere) #38

Don’t stack with friends against obviously worse players. Play against your friends and compete.

(RyePanda) #39

@Begin2013

Nexon has servers on Europa? :o

You must have some high ping man.

Well, they beat every space agency, nice job guys.

On a serious note, Unbalanced matches occur from time to time, and the shuffle vote is there to hopefully fix it. Removing it just makes sure a stomp stays that way, which ruins the experience for the losing side and perhaps the players that aren’t as good on the winning side.

You say the best way to balance is to play better, but players can’t be like: “Wow this guy is good. I will aim better now to balance the match” It takes time to get good at dirty bomb, and getting stomped will only give players an inclination to play something else.

(Begin2013) #40

I want to remove the vote called 10 times per match but pass only 0.01% of time. That’s just annoying. Players must try to play better to solve their “issue”.