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(Zan) #1

It’s happened to me a lot of times. Everyone goes in random directions or is gibbed far from spawn and I go rambo medic. As it usually happens just after a massacre, I have plenty of ammo, so I go for SMG duels where medic is best. Then, after many frags, I someone dodges better and aims better and kills me.
Well, this someone is always the same, every rambo run end in him (whoever he is in that game) and I start to look for names before trying duels.

Does it happen to you? Do you start avoiding a single player thinking that you’ll be of better use to the team by killing the panzer noob or the spamming FO and letting your own panzer noob suicide against the good player?

(Rippin Kitten) #2

Maybe I’m just not understanding your story, but I think you might be a better asset to your team if you started focusing on the objectives instead of random SMG duels. Could just be me.

RK

(Hanlon) #3

Why does it matter? You’re a medic and you can’t win the map, and your team is " in random directions or is gibbed far from spawn " so they’re not gonna beat the map either, so what does it matter who you kill and who you avoid?

(LegoManser) #4

Can’t keep running away. Grab the bull by the horns and do your best. When you can beat him you can beat everyone who was at your stage before. It’s good practice!

(Zan) #5

Not random. When playing medic I wait for groups of 2 or 3 (3-4 with me) and advance with them. If they are gibbed, I think the best I can do is wait for the next wave or search for another group.
In that path, I usually find opponents, and among those there are some I can’t kill even in a medic vs no-medic smg duel.

My thought was actually that when it degrades to single fights, it’s strategically optimal if everyone fights the opponent just a little worse than themselves (it gives the best chance of success).
What I found interesting is that in ET I usually:

  • die horribly in some gore accident (PF, Arty…)
  • fight alone and win
  • fight alone and lose.
    And the people I win or lose to are really constant through the entire game/campaign. I’d guess a 5% of exact same skill. So:

Is the game always like that? Or at your godlike level there is more people who you win or lose to, depending of luck or situation.

(polka) #6

It’s not uncommon that I encounter a player on the other team that I start regarding as my nemesis during a campaign =)
I get into one-on-ones with the same guy over and over and he usually kills me and I sometimes manage to kill him.

Backing off from the fight and start bottom feeding is not an option for me though =)

If you consider yourself to be a good SMG gunner, maybe one of the highest fraggers on your team during a particular game, and this guy constantly owns you it means he will own the rest of your teammates as well. You might be the one with the best chance to take him out and save the rest of your team from being slaughtered by this one-man-army.

Besides the best way to keep developing your kills is playing vs very good players.

(Zan) #7

I meant you killed the support team, not the noob lost in the woods searching for a mine to “jump on it until it makes the pretty sound”.

Not so good SMG gunner as mostly medic player, so MUCH better players fail to win duels for the HP imbalance.

And this is what I think wrong. If I can’t kill him, what’s the point in dying again and again? noobs do this constantly and I think they’d do better grouping.
What I try in this situations is releasing pressure over my team “run to the front” for them to come grouped and healthy. 4 grouped healthy noobs will have many chances to kill a good player (panzer suicide, for instance). It’s the same reason I will rather revive 3 noobs than try to kill the wunderkiller myself.

(polka) #8

Good points.

The logistic problem of actually getting a bunch of noobs coordinated enough to go in the same direction/follow is beyond me though :smiley:
Believe me, I often try to make it happen.

A strong two man team (one or both being medics) can do alot of damage, is easier to coordinate and has a very good chance of taking out the much better player. That is probably what I would opt for (especially when playing with a buddy on your team).

If all else fails, grab a panzerfaust :smiley:

(Zan) #9

“If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi-Wan’s apprentice.” (yes, he did use a PF)

(Freedom[]Tickler) #10

aim for the head, and be sparing of your run juice bar - youll need it for those special moments - of dodging faster, not running away : )

gettin owned by the same player shld motivate you to KICK HIS GADDAMN ASS !! SOLDIER

(pwillard) #11

I get the point… and sometimes getting a team to coordinate is like herding cats. You will be owned if the opposition is only slightly organized in that case.

Chances are, they DO have a good fragger giving them good leadership, which is why you get owned by the same opponent everytime.

A good lesson in teamwork and what happens when you don’t have it.

(Loffy) #12

…gettin owned by the same player shld motivate you to KICK HIS GADDAMN ASS !! SOLDIER

Yes! Get even! (Aim for ze head, and move around, say: "I’ll get you this time, you’re goind down.) And gibb him, when he falls.
Loffy

({}Yojimbo) #13

Loffy, it would be hard to beat him while typing: “I’ll get you this time, you’re goind down” in global chat :stuck_out_tongue:

My solution to this type of player is Panzer. I know it feels like moving over to the dark side, but someone gotta pay the price.

(Wraith2k3) #14

When he goes down, stand over his corpse and empty every bit of ammo you have into him :slight_smile:

(Rippin Kitten) #15

…and get knifed by that player from behind when he respawns and comes back to get revenge. =)

RK

({}Yojimbo) #16

When ET came out a lot of people said that the best from Wolf would be even better at ET. I didn’t really see that coming, thinking that the rate of fire would make it easier for n00bs like myself… Well I was wrong :angry: I have seen top wolf players completley owning in ET, it was just amazing.

So yes these guys would most certaintly come back and knife me after putting a panzer in their mouth.

([=O=]SMYLER) #17

Totally disagree, Wolf heroes have sweated their little ball bags that much at gettin’ good on the servers that they ping sub 50 on that a change of server with a higher ping fucks them up never mind a completely different game.

I have NOT seen ONE old wolfy boy make ANY impression on me AT ALL in the new arena, the mere fact it is a new game and also the fact of anti lag code that actually makes a bit of a difference in the evening up of head to head competition has completely scuppered soooooooooo many of them that they refuse to play ET as they no longer have an unfair advantage and have never been able to play on a more even field.

You look at it on EVERY wolfy clan website the main man in the clan is almost always the 50 pinger, thats all he has, he comes up against someone with a ping of 100 or above and they are toast before they even know that they’re taking fire. This does not happen nearly as much in ET.

({}Yojimbo) #18

Interesting, the servers I have been playing on most of the players have had pretty good pings. Granted that players with high-end computers have had an advantage due to the FPS eating of some of the maps. Would be interesting to hear from some of the top Wolf players what they think. But I doubt that the “only” thing that distinguish a top player from a n00b is ping advantage, it is not that simple.

([=O=]SMYLER) #19

No offence man but that last statement betrays your noobishness :smiley: , it’s nothing to be ashamed of. With regard the wolf heroes having their say,I’ll do it for them.

“I have no idea what that prick Smyler is on about ??!!?? My ping of 20 never helped me nor did it give me any advantage over any other players.”

We had a guy in our clan who had a pretty constant 45 ping and he was running around killin’ left right and centre, no problem. He was a mouthy bastard too and refused to accept the ping factor, although those of us in the know realised he was just an ordinary player, when in matches and hence different servers without his king ping he was Joe fuckin’ Bloggs again. He was kicked out. He was a severe prick too though.

(Zan) #20

I’ve got now a rather constant ping of 50-55 in a lot of european servers. I own some people, get owned by some other (and they are also around 50, so I’m just worse).
When I play in a friend’s PC I’ve got ping around 90-110. I can frag with some effort, but among the 50pingers the number of those who can own me gets doubled at the very least.

I’ve never played ET with a ping less than 35 (and that was a short time). It must be amazing the degree of owning one can display with 15 ping against people with 40+.

However most of people know the ping effect now, and “I owned you tonight” has long time ago changed to “You must be longing for my cable.
:)”)