Jumpshooting... again.

(blisteringOwlNest) #101

“Uncounterable”
Yes, there’s no thing as flanking, or explosives, or an invisible merc… Though the last ones pretty rubbish atm

(Jostabeere) #102

It’s not as pointless as your opinion in which carries no weight what so ever because you, yourself, mentioned that you got the DB starter pack, got Vassili in that pack, tried him and completely failed. You went as far as saying that you wouldn’t recommend playing him and then you come here and try to tell us why this nerf is good for him? If you nerf a mercenary it’s because he was OP right? Then why the hell are you not recommending this mercenary for people to play? My guess would be that you completely sucked with him. When you come here and say shit like you know what you’re talking about I just can’t help but think that the only reason you’re defending this is because “I can’t play with him so no one can” and you don’t wanna deal with people who can actually play the damn guy.[/quote]

Because I don’t find him appealing and fun to play. The same way people say about Rhino being OP while not playing him. It’s not hard to play Vassili. You just getting defensive because I disagree with you. “My favourite merc was nerfed. And you are not allowed to say shit because you do not play him at all.”
Let me guess, you would not say “Your opinion is worthless because you did not play him” if I would support your idea, because it caters towards what you think is right.

(watsyurdeal) #103

Well unforuntaltey that’s entirely subjective and based on opinion, not based on balance.

I hate Rhino for example, but that doesn’t mean he should be nerfed, there needs to be actual evidence of him being detrimental to the game.

As for Vasilli, the only reason jump sniping is detrimental is due to map design, not so much himself.

A lot of maps have huge sightlines where Vasilli can do a lot of work, which leads to a lot of frustration in dealing with him, hence why gib on headshots were removed.

(Sinee) #104

How bad at DB do you have to be to not be able to kill a Vassili whether or not he’s jumping?

(MTLMortis) #105

I can guarantee you that “effect on aim with weapons whilst jumping and adsing” was not even a consideration when designing, implementing, and balancing weapons in DB. It is not part of any weapons profile.

Accuracy is hardly cherry picking.

(AlphaUT) #106

it is pointless and funny to talk about the reality in the game.

(DirtyHarrier) #107

This thread should be locked.

(RedBeard) #108

[quote=“Merciless;25330”]Discuss…

For Vassili players… if any out there… I don’t know if it’s just me but is it not frustrating to get killed by Auras that just leap towards you and shoot you with their shotguns? Is it not frustration to have fletchers bounce over and over and over and over and over again while throwing stickies on you? Jumping proxies and jumping this… jumping that… but me? Poor Vassili not able to do what the others do? Can’t jumpshoot… can’t hip fire…

It’s frustrating when I die when someone jumpshot me. I say to myself… if I could only do the same thing as that person did… I would’ve lived. I would have lived… Splash Damage.

Where’s the love Splash Damage?

Where is the love?[/quote]

That’s what you get for the added health. Perhaps they should of left him alone. oh well AHAHAHAHAHAHA

(Sinee) #109

False. Jostabeere gave you an agree, but just because someone disagrees with you (oh nooooo!) doesn’t mean they aren’t allowed to share their thoughts. This is a forum for discussion, and as long as it’s kept civil, it’s perfectly allowed within the purpose of the forum.

If you don’t like it, there’s other threads for you to go play in. @Jostabeere , I don’t understand why you’re even still here to begin with. I’ll personally agree to disagree with you, and that’s pretty much the end of it and my talk with you. But just because I disagree with you doesn’t mean you’re not allowed to give your thoughts. I’m just never going to come around and see it your way and vice versa.

Doesn’t mean the thread should be locked.

(Captain_Forward) #110

How bad at DB do you have to be to not be able to kill a Vassili whether or not he’s jumping?[/quote]
Reversal:

How good at DB do you have to be to be able to kill a Vassili when you only see his peeking head across the map for a split second?

(Sinee) #111

How bad at DB do you have to be to not be able to kill a Vassili whether or not he’s jumping?[/quote]
Reversal:

How good at DB do you have to be to be able to kill a Vassili when you only see his peeking head across the map for a split second?[/quote]

Average? A bad Vassili peaks continuously from the same spot like an idiot and is a very easy target. A decent one peaks, shoots, if he misses, he changes location, but he’s still not hard to kill. He’s very squishy with no peripheral when scoped, and his secondaries suck ass so. Average. Keep watching the spot and chances are, most Vassili’s are stupid and will peak again.

(watsyurdeal) #112

How bad at DB do you have to be to not be able to kill a Vassili whether or not he’s jumping?[/quote]
Reversal:

How good at DB do you have to be to be able to kill a Vassili when you only see his peeking head across the map for a split second?[/quote]

Average? A bad Vassili peaks continuously from the same spot like an idiot and is a very easy target. A decent one peaks, shoots, if he misses, he changes location, but he’s still not hard to kill. He’s very squishy with no peripheral when scoped, and his secondaries suck ass so. Average. Keep watching the spot and chances are, most Vassili’s are stupid and will peak again.[/quote]

And here is where the fruit of the argument seems to lie, lay, whatever.

Nobody here is talking about bad Vasillis, we’re talking about good ones, the ones who can aim, who can make a sight line out of any position.

There’s a reason why the instant gib on headshot was removed, cause Vasillis in that competitive environment were only dealt with by another Vasilli.

Jump shooting while it seems fair, it’s also incredibly one sided, which is just Vasilli in general. You pretty much have to be up in his face, which is not even that effective anymore given he has just as much health as a Sawbonez or Bushwacka.

At this point it seems pretty clear Snipers don’t really seem to have a place in Dirty Bomb, that’s the main brunt of the issue. When they were in play they were detrimental to the game, and not that they aren’t being used often there’s really no need to play him. So the question is, what is the maximum potential that Vasilli should have, what steps should be taken to allow it?

Removing sway? Adding Jumpshooting back but at the cost of forcing people to unscope when they jump, so they have to press it again and actually time the shot? Chaning the move speed while scoped in for the Fe Lix and MoA, so the MoA is better for corner peaking, and t he Fe Lix is better for stationary sniping?

There’s a multitude of solutions here, but it’s clear the map design needs a lot of work if a Vasilli is just that devastating on the majority of the maps.

(Mrarauzz) #113

They don’t make enough popcorn for threads like these, also team jump shot.

(neverplayseriou) #114

Yea seems fair when a proxy can’t even release her space bar in cqc, jumping around with a shotgun when I have to switch to my secondary or stand on the ground trying to shoot with a weapon that requires me to actually aim…

(bgyoshi) #115

(Merci1ess) #116

It’s not as pointless as your opinion in which carries no weight what so ever because you, yourself, mentioned that you got the DB starter pack, got Vassili in that pack, tried him and completely failed. You went as far as saying that you wouldn’t recommend playing him and then you come here and try to tell us why this nerf is good for him? If you nerf a mercenary it’s because he was OP right? Then why the hell are you not recommending this mercenary for people to play? My guess would be that you completely sucked with him. When you come here and say shit like you know what you’re talking about I just can’t help but think that the only reason you’re defending this is because “I can’t play with him so no one can” and you don’t wanna deal with people who can actually play the damn guy.[/quote]

Because I don’t find him appealing and fun to play. The same way people say about Rhino being OP while not playing him. It’s not hard to play Vassili. You just getting defensive because I disagree with you. “My favourite merc was nerfed. And you are not allowed to say shit because you do not play him at all.”
Let me guess, you would not say “Your opinion is worthless because you did not play him” if I would support your idea, because it caters towards what you think is right. [/quote]

So you wouldn’t recommend it to people because YOU don’t find him appealing and fun to play?

Okay.

(Merci1ess) #117

It’s funny cause it seems like as we advance in the “progression” of Dirty Bomb we’re actually taking mercenaries away more then we’re adding them. At first, Phantom didn’t have his place in the game. Now apparently snipers don’t.

http://rs990.pbsrc.com/albums/af26/Mamma4ever/Gifs%20for%20Blogging/funny/4r9a54.gif~c200

Splash Damage are a group of people that have great ideas for games. But in the development department? Gahd dayum the struggle. It’s a mess.

(Merci1ess) #118

How bad at DB do you have to be to not be able to kill a Vassili whether or not he’s jumping?[/quote]
Reversal:

How good at DB do you have to be to be able to kill a Vassili when you only see his peeking head across the map for a split second?[/quote]

Reversal:

How good do I have to be right now to nail headshots when everyone is jumping/bunny hopping around with shotguns, smgs or rifles while suppressing fire towards me and/or throwing grenades/sticky grenades on me?

(Jostabeere) #119

[quote=“Merciless;159953”]

So you wouldn’t recommend it to people because YOU don’t find him appealing and fun to play?

Okay.[/quote]

If you watch any p/review, that’s how they basically work. Critics say if they would recommend stuff or not based on their experience. But why am I telling you that, my opinion matters jack-shit anyway because I don’t have dank 30K kills with a merc.

(Merci1ess) #120

[quote=“Jostabeere;159962”]
If you watch any p/review, that’s how they basically work. Critics say if they would recommend stuff or not based on their experience. But why am I telling you that, my opinion matters jack-shit anyway because I don’t have dank 30K kills with a merc.[/quote]

Finally. You’re gettin’ it.