Its a sad day.....

[Sauron_EFG]

and Splash damage, im dissappointed that a quality company like yourselves leave SHIT(pardon my french) like this to exploit. so from now on, when i play, i will ALWAYS play soldier with a panzer…just to ruin gameplay for others. as u say, its just a part of the game

Is this Daz, Ironman or a new talent? :eek:

[Bongoboy]

Peace and Calm, Sirs, Peace and Calm if you please…

The maps in question weren’t concepted from the outset to have trickjumps, but as we were making them it became apparent they had the potential for tasty trickjumps so we polished them up and playtested them a lot and ended up keeping them in.

So, strictly speaking, they weren’t intended in the very first place right from the very outset. I certainly cannot for the life of me recall or define the precise moment when they went from happy accident to known game feature to intentional map design. Certainly by the time ET was released, they were old friends and we were looking forward to introducing them to strangers. So while they were left in, they weren’t simply left in, if you know what I mean…

[Mr_Tickles]

dont come here and tell me you can jump the fuel dump on a regular et config…i barely get halfway, and not nearly that high.

I don’t know if the fueldump jump is possible, I can’t do it anyway, but as you were talking about all trickjumps, surely the Oasis walljump is included in that, and yes, i’m pretty sure you can do that with a normal config. (Well, now that I remember, before I capped my FPS to 76, I could do it)

and dont come with any bullshit like “find a key set thats right for you” been playing with the same key config for 2 yrs,so i dont think that is the problem…

Maybe you have been playing with the same key set for 2 years and have got quite talented with it, but that doesn’t mean that you have a good layout. If you did get a better layout for your fingers, maybe after playing with that for a while, you’d find it easier to use, and you would perform better, and be able to move with great freedom.
Please don’t be so arrogant and ignorant when you simply dismiss something I say and insult me without giving those words the attention they deserve, be it an opinion or otherwise…

and Mr_tickles…“What is he thinking?.. complaining to the people who are trying to keep this game alive while -almost- blaming them simultaneously ?
If it is possible for everyone to trickjump, then how is it cheating ? Afterall, being able to trickjump isn’t a seperate download.
EnoughIsEnough, you came at us all wrong” trickjumping is keeping the game alive? now thats total bs.

Well, I didn’t even write that… I can see that you have spent great time, care and consideration whilst reading the replies in the thread which you started.
However, yes, trickjumping helps to keep the game going, because it’s another strategy that you could develop to improve your playing. Although you seem to write it off straight away.
You can’t just get annoyed at other aspects of the game, just because you like to keep yourself to one area of it. That’s bordering on prejudice.

I think you should apologise for insulting so many people in this thread, not to mention at least a thank you to Splash Damage, but I don’t think that you’ll oblige, you don’t seem like the type of person who’s capable of being humble.

{Edit}
Sorry Bongoboy, just got your last post as I posted this one. Sorry if it’s not what you want on your forums. Delete it if you wish.

Thank you for the explanation though, I’ve always wondered about it.
{/Edit}

[Mr_Tickles]

and Splash damage, im dissappointed that a quality company like yourselves leave SHIT(pardon my french) like this to exploit. so from now on, when i play, i will ALWAYS play soldier with a panzer…just to ruin gameplay for others. as u say, its just a part of the game

So, you see the panzer soldier as an exploit aswell? It’s simply another strategy.
If you play well as a panzer soldier that’s completely fine! It’s just when you vapourise yourself to kill a half dead enemy and take a few teammates with you that’s annoying.

Come on, you just have to accept the way the game is if you want to play it…
everyone starts on a level playing field, you have all the tools to trickjump like other people, or to be a panzer soldier, whatever you want.
It’s just people’s skill at the game that differentiates the players.
If your skill is holding you back, please don’t come here and rant, rave and insult people, and take out your greatly pent up frustration on us.
Now that, is not fair.

[Fenris]

I prefer low-gravity servers since I’ve never learned to trickjump… :drink:

[EnoughIsEnough]

your a bit of a sore ass arent you mr tickles? i wont apologize for having a different opinion than you. and if you take that as an insult, thats allright by me.

And you could do it, before u “capped” your fps to 76? do you even hear what youre saying? is it required to know what that is and how to do it to be good at ET? if thats the thing, i truly apologize. But again, im of a different opinion than you…

And who are you to say that i dont have a good layout? and do you know anything about how i perform in a game? jumping to conclusions.

and did I say I saw the panzer as an exploit? no…i didnt. I said it was a part of the game, just like, in your opinion, trickjumping is.

and that last statement “If your skill is holding you back, please don’t come here and rant, rave and insult people, and take out your greatly pent up frustration on us.
Now that, is not fair.” … that i should take like an insult, as again, you have no idea of what my skill is.

I tried to get a discussion about this, and you rave on with your personal attacks? find yourself a playground or a pasifier, thats what kids at your age do

[carnage]

So, you see the panzer soldier as an exploit aswell? It’s simply another strategy.
If you play well as a panzer soldier that’s completely fine! It’s just when you vapourise yourself to kill a half dead enemy and take a few teammates with you that’s annoying.

good point, if enoughisenough had his way them we would have to remove 90% of the games content to ensure it was compleatly fair, we could all play with knives on scmetrical maps that were compleatly flat to avoid and chance of a trickjump

although i am surprised to see that in SP games if you stand on the head of a player/AI you slide of stright away but in multiplayer you dont? i feel this alows the game to go to sort of trickjumps that i might feel were unfair but if two or more players are doing it them a great amount of teamwork is needed and isnt that what ET is all about?

[DarkangelUK]

Im guessing you spend alot of time playing, honing your aiming skills to a point you can win more firefights than you lose. I spend my time tricking in ET, getting my cj accell right, my hops and mouse angles for optimum speed just right. You’d beat me in a firefight, i’d beat you on jumps… it all evens out. You think im gonna stop cos you dint like it? I think you should stop shooting me in the head cos i dont like it. And yes the FD jump is possible in normal server… didnt you just whine that people do it on mormal severs and that ruins the gameplay experience for you? Sv_fps sets to 20, and cant be changed by the client. Now we should take away client config editing as well so people cant cap fps?

Oh and it’s been around longer than you think… i 1st did it on 3rd feb 2004. Got the original demo to prove it with creation date.

[Mr_Tickles]

your a bit of a sore ass arent you mr tickles? i wont apologize for having a different opinion than you. and if you take that as an insult, thats allright by me.

The parts that I find insulting, are the parts that you have clearly had no interest in what people wish to say to you. Also, the parts where you simply belittle people’s work, for example Splash Damage’s.

And you could do it, before u “capped” your fps to 76? do you even hear what youre saying? is it required to know what that is and how to do it to be good at ET? if thats the thing, i truly apologize. But again, im of a different opinion than you…

Erm, no, it’s not required, I just assumed, possibly wrongly, that you knew what that meant. It has been around this forum a few times now, quite recently aswell, maybe you should keep up to date here, but that’s up to you, as i’m sure you’ll make abundantly clear in your next post.
It’s just putting a maximum limit on the frames per second of the engine (the number of times the game draws your screen). If you put it to particular numbers then the error correction in the engine allows you to increase very slightly, the distance you can travel. It’s one of the things in the config file you can tweak.
You may be of a different opinion, but the fact is that the oasis wall jump is still possible without tweaking anything.
Oh, and go look up the word capped, next time you use it, you might not need the quote marks.

And who are you to say that i dont have a good layout? and do you know anything about how i perform in a game?

I have never said that you do not have a good layout, I said you may not have a good one… improving the one you currently have, could make it easier for you and possibly improve your playing. After all, you can always make improvements
Although this all seems pointless as it looks as though you have reached the pinnacle of excellence already.

jumping to conclusions.

Nice pun

and did I say I saw the panzer as an exploit? no…i didnt. I said it was a part of the game, just like, in your opinion, trickjumping is.

No, you didn’t say it was an exploit, but you implied that it was.
You implied it would ruin the game as much as trickjumping, and would therefore have as negative an affect on it as trickjumping does.

and that last statement “If your skill is holding you back, please don’t come here and rant, rave and insult people, and take out your greatly pent up frustration on us.
Now that, is not fair.” … that i should take like an insult, as again, you have no idea of what my skill is.

That, my friend, you should take as an insult as you clearly have not read it properly.
It makes no assumtions as to your ability, only to your personality.

I tried to get a discussion about this, and you rave on with your personal attacks? find yourself a playground or a pasifier, thats what kids at your age do

Well, i’m sorry to hear that your hunger for trolling has not been sated this time around. Maybe you should try again?

[EB1]

and Splash damage, im dissappointed that a quality company like yourselves leave SHIT(pardon my french) like this to exploit. so from now on, when i play, i will ALWAYS play soldier with a panzer…just to ruin gameplay for others. as u say, its just a part of the game

Again I ask, What is this guy thinking ?

He uninstalled ET, but he continues to argue over something he is never going to play again, but then states he is only going to play panzer now…just to piss people off.
Hmmmm…If he has this much of a problem with a video game, I’d hate to see how mad he gets @ everyday life.

Edit:

Someone call me when this is over.

[Wils]

Regarding bani’s comments, I’m not sure why he says that - I was lead level designer for ET, and I’ve never spoken to him about it. When he says he’s ‘spoken to SD’, I guess he actually only means one of the programmers here.

Stating something is ‘intentional’ is a little misleading in this context - there are things we design in on purpose, and things we find out are possible during development but leave in for various reasons. The stack plant at the Oasis guns is one of the latter.

ET was an interesting game to balance - opinion is fairly divided on whether trick jumps are a good thing in a WW2 game, whoever you ask. Most of SD have a background in fast-paced FPS games like Quake and Team Fortress, so we’re definitely aware of the potential for stuff like that, but I can’t think of any instances where we actively designed them into ET. To balance this, we didn’t actively remove any we knew about either. We also knew that players would find more than we knew about, over time (it always happens).

I hope that clears things up.

EnoughisEnough: I think you’re playing the wrong game. Sorry.

[Nail]

I think the game he’s playing is Troll the forum

[Dingo19]

EnoughisEnough: I think you’re playing the wrong game. Sorry.

I agree. I sounds like a little Mario Sunshine would be more his style.

[jtiger]

I’m glad you have uninstalled ET, another whiner gone. :bump:

[Zombie13]

Hey man don’t bag Mario Sunshine that game ownz

Z

[Salteh]

Mario Sunshine requires more skill than ET I think :o :o :o
Especially those scary levels!

[Homer_J]

EnoughIsEnough,

What are your views on medics hiding behind revived teammates, or winning firefights by overwhelming the enemy by weight of numbers?

:blah:

I vote Daz/Tavington.

[EnoughIsEnough]

no problem whatsoever…its a way of playing, open for everybody

[EvilBaga]

I agree stronglh with EnoughIsEnough on trickjumping…its just an excuse to ruin a map.

[Dingo19]

no problem whatsoever…its a way of playing, open for everybody

So is trickjumping, that’s what we’ve been trying to explain to you. If you can’t be bothered learning how to play the game, don’t come whining to us.