Is this guy using ballhack? (got the replay)

(idope) #1

Hi,

I was watching a really good player a few days ago and I made a record of the game. His aim is really good and he rarely gets killed and so on. However, there is one instance (that I can see), that seem a bit dubious. Somehow he could tell that someone would come by and then he threw a grenade at him the very moment he appeared. Happens at about 17:15. This could just be luck or coincidence, but I’d like to hear some opinions since I’m not an expert on this myself. I’m not shouting “cheater” here (he’s obviously very talented either way), but I’m just curious.

Here is the replay (Oasis; 3,3MB; 19m): http://www.geocities.com/thrill36951853/et-replays/tracid-oasis.zip
Mirror: ftp://etlogin:etlogin@ftp.dragon-tech.net/et/

(BondyBoy007) #2

too much bandwidth has been used, can’t download it to tell at the mo

(Sauron|EFG) #3

http://www.splashdamage.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5119&highlight=ftp

Look at Sylver Dragon’s post.

:drink:

(SylverDragon) #4

Looks like your bandwidth for the day is used up. If you’d like, you can put it up on my FTP site here:

ftp://ftp.dragon-tech.net
Login: etlogin
Password: etlogin
My email, if you have problems or want something else (I get bored easy, and have a bit of a socialist streak in me): admin@dragon-tech.net

Full link, for the FTP challenged: ftp://etlogin:etlogin@ftp.dragon-tech.net

The ‘ET’ folder is setup as a public folder, and can be used to post anything ET related. I should warn everyone its a 768/128 DSL line, so downloading is going to be a bit slow, but there is no bandwidth limit so it shouldn’t go down from that.
The only forseeable problem is that my home (where the server is at) is near the Old Fire burning in California at the moment, so it may become unavailable if they have to cut the power in the area. Its not likely, but it could happen.

(idope) #5

Thanks :drink:

(SylverDragon) #6

just noticed that the file appears to be up, it can be retrieved at:
ftp://etlogin:etlogin@ftp.dragon-tech.net/ET
tracid-oasis.zip
or
http://www.dragon-tech.net/ET/tracid-oasis.zip

(BondyBoy007) #7

downloading it now

try watching it with the /r_showtris 2 or \r_shownormals 1 (prefer this) setting to see through walls to check

(Fusen) #8

got bored lol looked like some rambo medic owning noob’s :confused: wasnt even helping his team as when planted at south happened twice he just stayed spawn raping the allies and its ahrd to see if he is using ballhack/wallhack anyway as hes normally in the open courtyard with not many walls to see through lol

Jaguar xj13 history

(Lanz) #9

If that guy was cheating I’m gonna eat my keyboard.

Nothing special, just high (headshot) aim.

(DG) #10

Is this going to be the new trend? “this guy owned so I thought I’d make a demo and post it on popular public forums to determine if he is cheating” ?

Its rather lame to go accusing or implying people of cheating when you’re not even sure yourself. That might not be the intention, but is basically what the thread is.

FWIW, I dont see anything that stands out to be “impossible”. If you use headphones or decent speakers, every time he whips around or tracks a player its after the noise comes. All that is “dubious” is he tracks players well (but only player to be aimed at “through wall” is the MG42, a fixed position - a decent PF player should be well familiar with the idea) and aims very well. Going from the movement, I’d presume a RTCW player - or more likely Q3 player, with good cfg and quality mouse+pad. Ping is a stready 49/50, FPS probably good, and yes some people have skill like this.

Its not like there’s any obvious talent on the other team to provide a challenge.

(Sauron|EFG) #11
  1. He knew when they spawned
  2. He could probably hear them running out of spawn
  3. He adjusted the aim after he saw the player

There are lots of instances where it’s obvious that he isn’t using a ballhack/wallhack.
I agree that it’s good to ask other people about their opinion on suspected cheaters, but if the suspicion is based on a single instance it’s better to assume it was luck, otherwise we’d be flooded by demos of good players. Even I get lucky with grenades like that sometimes, and I’m not nearly as good as this player. :frowning:

(idope) #12

Thanks for all the input on this case. I had never heard of ballhack until a post about it a few days ago; it made me think about it, and so I wasn’t really sure what to look for when something fishy was going on. I’m glad to hear that he is indeed not cheating, because I take great inspiration out of looking at great players like this. Those he’s playing against aren’t particularly good, but it doesn’t take an expert to tell that this guy got some pretty solid skills. Thanks again.

(Computertech) #13

Unfortunately, recording or “ghosting” ppl doesn’t actually show their true movement. Just close to it. Most of the cheats to change video can be caught and usually not used by cheaters. The aimbot, however is used since there is no setting to catch them. Truely, the only real way to know is if the person is scoring well over 50% accuracy using the standard guns (no airstrike, panzers, flame thrower, etc). It’s an obvious cheat then. There are a few that can hide it better and shoots a little more after the kill to get the accuracy down. Some even just use it to get a quick aim and nothing more. But even they can be caught. Like killing someone, turning 85 degrees (person unseen) and headshoot another dead. Most of you have to admit even on your best day, you can’t quite do that.

(IPvD) #14

Please don’t post anything more like this. If you thought that guy was a cheater, I don’t want to see what you do when you come across the real thing.

T350

(idope) #15

Cool. If you’ve got some replays of “the real thing”, please upload them somwhere so that I can watch them; I’m always eager to learn new things from the best.

(fkfen) #16

Truely, the only real way to know is if the person is scoring well over 50% accuracy using the standard guns (no airstrike, panzers, flame thrower, etc). It’s an obvious cheat then.

Every player that would get accuracy over 50% would be cheater? I got 34.5% accuracy (good day) with garand and multiple kills in gold rush (I maybe even emptied garands clip few times to get it to reload) and I am nowhere near top accuracy players Ive met. Lets say a great player is on noob server. He knows when to shoot to get sure shots. He predicts all movement of noobs. He doesn`t push fire button when he sees it would not hit the enemy. Most of his fighting is close combat. I am absolutely sure he could have near 80% accuracy in close fights. Go on and watch some big lan cup finals of the best cs clans. There you can see how accurate and reactive human can be on games without cheats.

(DG) #17

hey lets play quoting game! :bored:

Er, yes, as explained why in the paragraph below it, which you even quoted.

Explained in the sentence you’re referring to. It implies – wether intentionally or not – an accusation that the player is a cheater. Not nice, and not remotely justified.

The worst thing about cheaters isnt getting owned by one, its all the noobs who start throwing accusations around or going on about it like its some major crisis for the game. What it doesnt do is anything whatsoever to reduce cheating in the game, just disillusions both existing and new players, encouraging them to leave the game because of a problem that is actually very minor. So, youve heard about ET and go find a popular forum to see whats up, and there’s like half a dozen threads with “cheat” in the title on the top half of the first page. Not exactly encouraging is it? If youve ever read a cheater forum you’ll notice how many cheaters do it specifically to destroy games - some go onto normal forums and troll about it.

There is another thread with a demo of a very likely cheater, and many posters have explained the indicators why - afaik none are shown in the demo.

(Bongoboy) #18

I’m sure idope wasn’t trying to stir up any trouble, just asking advice about something he’d seen. Of course cheating is a very serious accusation, but he wasn’t making it.

How about I change the name of the topic to “Not Cheating, just VERY good?”

:moo:

(idope) #19

DG: Your negative attitude is overwhelming.

Is it the issue of too many discussions about the same topic, or is it just because it addresses cheating that you don’t like? If the replay I posted indeed showed a player using aimbot or ballhack, would you give me the same response? I must say I’m suprised you even bothered to waste both time and energy on writing two of the longest replies to my post if it vexes you so much. The topic tells you what this is about, so you could have easily ignored it if it didn’t interest you.

(Computertech) #20

fkfen

Every player that would get accuracy over 50% would be cheater? I got 34.5% accuracy (good day) with garand and multiple kills in gold rush (I maybe even emptied garands clip few times to get it to reload) and I am nowhere near top accuracy players Ive met. Lets say a great player is on noob server. He knows when to shoot to get sure shots. He predicts all movement of noobs. He doesn`t push fire button when he sees it would not hit the enemy. Most of his fighting is close combat. I am absolutely sure he could have near 80% accuracy in close fights. Go on and watch some big lan cup finals of the best cs clans. There you can see how accurate and reactive human can be on games without cheats

I’m usually one of the top 3 on the server. My average is 29% to 34%. With the Garand (sniper) my average is 68% to 78%. Sniper is different. Same goes for airstrikes, panzers, flamethrower, etc. All (with NO cheating) can score well above 50%. But the thompson, colt, and the axis weapons like these will never score that high. Humans are only so good.
I’ve had fights with nothing but close engaged fighting. No matter how many years you have of practice, you will score somewhere in the 30’s. If alot of movement, then expect less than 30%. We are human not machines, we can only move the mouse/trackball/joystick/gamepad so fast and we cannot be that accurate no matter how hard we try.