Well, I’d rather lose a fight rather than think of turning tails and not fight at all.
Further… I just realised what Amerika is hinting at, if I had money to spend and I really want to cheat on this game, the real winner is SD/Nexon. However, he has damned Dirty Bomb to be a “Pay to Win”. You pay the cheat coders, you win the game!
Your account gets banned? Make another account, and you pay to win again!
Jeeze, I was in denial of the fact the whole time.
#AmIWrong?
#AmIRight?
[quote=“K1X455;211257”][quote=“Amerika;211147”]This is a long video but it touches on a lot of subjects I’ve brought up on this forum as to why it’s impossible to stop all cheating. The video will help people set their expectations and what they can to personally and what companies can do.
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So what you’re saying is that anti-cheat is futile attempt and that there’s just no cure for the disease.
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So what you’re saying is you did not watch the video at all?
It’s an ever-continuing arms race between the hackers (note: not cheaters) and anti-cheat developers. So resource demanding and tedious? Yes. Futile, useless? No. Without any battle, things would’ve spiraled out of control long ago across all the boards, paid and f2p games alike.
Thanks for the link Amerika, not only this there was some other good stuffs in that event too. Like about developer / publisher relations which pretty much 90% of this forums readers should take a bloody look at, considering how many have absolutely zero idea what is Nexons and what is SD’s part in making this game exist.
[quote=“K1X455;211268”]Well, I’d rather lose a fight rather than think of turning tails and not fight at all.
Further… I just realised what Amerika is hinting at, if I had money to spend and I really want to cheat on this game, the real winner is SD/Nexon. However, he has damned Dirty Bomb to be a “Pay to Win”. You pay the cheat coders, you win the game!
Your account gets banned? Make another account, and you pay to win again!
Jeeze, I was in denial of the fact the whole time.
#AmIWrong?
#AmIRight?
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Do not take what I said out of context and add your own personal narrative to it in an angry and paranoid attempt to sound witty and to show your ire. If you don’t understand what I’ve written about, sometimes specifically to yourself, that is on you. If you have a question as to what myself or others mean when they write something, ask.
I am not hinting at anything. I am not protecting anybody. I am one of the few people that likes everyone to have all the facts of a situation before they form a proper opinion on it and so that they can set their expectations correctly. Life is not perfect and part of that is people who cheat in video games. You can leave DB and go find another game to play but the cycle will repeat itself as will.
I get that you’re angry but this type of targeted paranoia is not acceptable. I gave you information that you can use to make intelligent decisions as opposed to doing/saying something irrational. And you try to turn that on me and probably anybody else who isn’t joining you. Please do not make that mistake again.
Wouldnt it be a really easy way, to at least counter aimbots to auto kick every account under lvl x when its accuracy is higher than y for z amount of time. This would at least prevent someone with a new throw away account to kill everybody with a 100% aimbot. Of course they could still use it, but they would need to throttle it under the threshold. I dunno what’s realistic for a new player who got extremely good aim from another game. Maybe 40%?
This is of course no long time solution, but at least it would take instand care of the really obvious aimbotters.
[quote=“Kelben;211309”]Wouldnt it be a really easy way, to at least counter aimbots to auto kick every account under lvl x when its accuracy is higher than y for z amount of time. This would at least prevent someone with a new throw away account to kill everybody with a 100% aimbot. Of course they could still use it, but they would need to throttle it under the threshold. I dunno what’s realistic for a new player who got extremely good aim from another game. Maybe 40%?
This is of course no long time solution, but at least it would take instand care of the really obvious aimbotters.[/quote]
That’s exactly what a solution called Fair Fight does. It’s heavily used in the BF series of games. I believe Easy Anti-cheat also has the ability to do this. NGS could probably be adapted to do this but they would have to have real time statistics access to player hit percentages which are already being recorded. But the dev work required for a custom is pretty involved (I know because I’ve helped build fast data warehouses for companies).
It would be nice if SD either invested in dev time to create their own solution based on information they already have. Or pay for a license for a similar solution that can be easily adapted to DB. This would most definitely help protect players from rage botters. However, the one downside to this type of implementation is it can also create a bigger pool of false positives. But that typically requires proper tuning and can be handled well enough over time with a big enough data sample size. And it could automatically red flag accounts that go over thresholds for support to look at too.
So yes, it would be nice. And yes, it would help. It’s one of the layers of anti-cheating that has been discussed on this forum that does work and does help and I’d like to see it. It won’t stop your wallhackers and triggerbots/aimbots that are tuned to be more human but it will stop the rage botting and could flag accounts for review if nothing else (of course regular reports already handles that).
Hey @Amerika good to know that something is theoratically available. But I would be in favor to set the threshold higher and autokick than set it lower and flag accounts. Otherwise you have those guys who have several days to ruin the fun for others until their account is banned.
I rather have someone running around with a 45% accuracy aimbot because at 46% he gets auto kicked than someone running around for 2 days with an 100% accuracy aimbot because the review takes time.
[quote=“Kelben;211330”]Hey @Amerika good to know that something is theoratically available. But I would be in favor to set the threshold higher and autokick than set it lower and flag accounts. Otherwise you have those guys who have several days to ruin the fun for others until their account is banned.
I rather have someone running around with a 45% accuracy aimbot because at 46% he gets auto kicked than someone running around for 2 days with an 100% accuracy aimbot because the review takes time.[/quote]
Well, that’s the good thing about that particular solution. Here is an example. You have it set so that anybody that kills multiple full HP people in less than a second is autobanned. The same goes for instant multiple headshots. You can then set it to flag accounts that are consistently hitting over 50% lifetime on some weapons and 70% on other weapons. And you can configure it to look for excessive body shots, headshots or both. It’s very tunable and there is also some heuristics involved with some solutions that lets it identify patterns that are no human despite falling within statistical ranges.
You just have to set it up right for your game and you have to make it be somewhat lenient in some areas however. My lifetime average for the Stark and BR is over 46-47%. That’s an average over hundreds of thousands of shots for those two guns. Which means during some really amazing games I will most likely connect with 70% of my shots and/or have more headshots than my average by a good amount. I don’t want to get instant banned because of that. I’d rather have my account red flagged and evaluated by support. That’s why I mention how it can be a downside without proper tuning.
It’s not a situation where you either turn on flagging but have instant bans off. It’s a threshold thing. Finding the right threshold would be the key.
It appears that there has been an influx of hackers recently. New hacks came out I guess?
Just encountered another blatant hacker. One yesterday, and one today. Both have 100% accuracy, aimbots to the head, what looks like rapid fire or damage hacks as they kill entire teams with less than a clip of the Timik for instance. They also have the same tactics of joining a game, hacking until a vote-kick is called (that might pass), and then they leave the game and rejoin the same game.
This all just makes it extra frustrating to play against because then they can’t be kicked from the game before it’s over… The vote-kick system has been a bit wonky lately. Not sure how it works anymore. Lately it’s as if you can only call one vote-kick against a player per game? Even after the timer runs out, it says a vote kick already exists?
Now the hackers I’ve seen on U.S. East/SA Servers might be the same player with either a Steam name change or different account. Hoping they get banned soon.
That’s my problem too. I get accused of hacking quite a bit, and my overall profile accuracy is 45.9% and my Stark alone is 48.8%. Problem with that is like you, my headshot counter would be much higher than my actual accuracy. Some times it can look dodgy to new players especially when you finish off 4-5 people with 1 burst each all in the same clip. The players just see 5 people die within 3 seconds all from a head shot in the killfeed and yell hacks. So there needs to be some discrepancy.
i just noticed something yesterday…
turns out Aimbots cant keep track of anything behind glass or deployables.
i rekt 2 aimbotters with aimee since his aimbot dont work on glass like the bus in chapel and the bus stop in the terminal.
[quote=“sweetColumn;211365”]i just noticed something yesterday…
turns out Aimbots cant keep track of anything behind glass or deployables.
i rekt 2 aimbotters with aimee since his aimbot dont work on glass like the bus in chapel and the bus stop in the terminal.[/quote]
They can actually, chances are he probably had it dailed down a bit though.
[quote=“Dox;211368”][quote=“sweetColumn;211365”]i just noticed something yesterday…
turns out Aimbots cant keep track of anything behind glass or deployables.
i rekt 2 aimbotters with aimee since his aimbot dont work on glass like the bus in chapel and the bus stop in the terminal.[/quote]
They can actually, chances are he probably had it dailed down a bit though. [/quote]
he literally cant, he just strafe right and left confused why his gun not firing at me.
he had to turn off the cheat, and fire at me manually but he died very fast due to everybody in my team shoot him whenever they saw him. he does shoot like a kid. Maybe its the downside of using too much auto aiming.
my whole team laughed so hard and we won the game.
[quote=“sweetColumn;211373”][quote=“Dox;211368”][quote=“sweetColumn;211365”]i just noticed something yesterday…
turns out Aimbots cant keep track of anything behind glass or deployables.
i rekt 2 aimbotters with aimee since his aimbot dont work on glass like the bus in chapel and the bus stop in the terminal.[/quote]
They can actually, chances are he probably had it dailed down a bit though. [/quote]
he literally cant, he just strafe right and left confused why his gun not firing at me.
he had to turn off the cheat, and fire at me manually but he died very fast due to everybody in my team shoot him whenever they saw him. he does shoot like a kid. Maybe its the downside of using too much auto aiming.
my whole team laughed so hard and we won the game.
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It’s an option. You can tell aimbots these days whether or not you want to shoot at people through walls or not. He probably had that option off, and even if he did he could still have manually shot at you any way. Chances are he was probably just a new spastic pleb who had no game sense at all and didn’t know you could fire through objects.
also for that case I think it is important to mention that not all aim bots are going to be the same. Some are designed better than others. I got that from watching the video Amerika posted. 
If I got you incorrectly, so did you. There’s nothing witty at what I said and if I took you out of context, it’s because of this statement:
[quote=“Amerika;211293”]…those people who have invested time/money into the game but still want to cheat might have ways of helping them fool the system.
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This is when all the lights lit up and suddenly, I see a wrong picture of reality you painted. Are you saying that they might want to protect their investment? Jeeze, with the number of players dwindling, it is defnitively in SD/NEXON’s interest to cull these players (not accounts).
You see, you claim that:
But you sideswipe people who presented and gathered evidence and claim that it’s about “personal narration out of anger and paranoia”, not to mention, someone’s “personal agenda”. It boils down to [i]you have an opinion of the matter[/i ] and, and I have the right not to agree with that. Like it or not, you need to respect that. Now, my opinion is also based on the fact that cheating players are still able to return and degrade the game experience for the rest of the playing public because of the partial reason that it is easy to do so and at the same time, people in charge of establishing fair play have their own “opinion” of how it should be handled. This is why I stated that NGS bans accounts and not the players. How players are able to play repeatedly on the same account, is something I cannot explain (not yet). This is the fork on the road where some players choose to go along with what you’ve been promoting, and others say there’s a better way. If you think less of those who do not conform to your explanation, no matter how “rational” you present your ideas are, your character never be taken seriously.
This is the fact where you’re wrong (I don’t know what other facts you are formulating in your head to get that idea). You have a very wrong opinion of me and that should explain why I should have a wrong opinion of you. Had I been angry of all this cheating proliferation, I would have done worse things; but it’s not about anger, it’s about the wrong mix of for the love of the game and frustration at which the game development and progress is going. This is what’s fueling my fire to find a fix, a better fix.
there’s no place for direct personal conversations on a discussion forum, take it to Priv Message
Well, another whole week has passed and the certain someone I am not allowed to name is still not banned, running around in servers with the aimbot on maximum settings going 40/1 in like 3 minutes every game lol.
I seriously hope they ban him today, otherwise we have to deal with this guy for another weekend zzz.
This is when all the lights lit up and suddenly, I see a wrong picture of reality you painted. Are you saying that they might want to protect their investment? Jeeze, with the number of players dwindling, it is defnitively in SD/NEXON’s interest to cull these players (not accounts).
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I believe Amerika was referring in part to how the speakers in his posted video flat out stated that there are various levels of cheats available to players dependent on the level of complexity needed and even… PRICE. The cheaters who have the money to put into Dirty bomb may also have the money to buy some of the more advanced cheating software which may even be hard to detect on the most advanced anti cheat software. providing cheats is currently a very stable business it seems.
Now as far as SD/Nexon specifically going after the players themselves and not their accounts…
I classify that idea as basically asking them to start a crusade if not a witch hunt against those players.
I imagine that very notion is a legal nightmare that neither company wishes to get involved with since such actions are usually restricted to law enforcement.
and even if either company some how managed to do such an action history teaches us that often things will spiral out of control. The good intention will end up causing more harm than the thing it was trying to help stop. The definition of what a cheater is would become so blurred no one would be safe. This has happened again… and again… and again… Trying to remove the problem permanently never solves the issue in the long run. It always end in failure. Nothing stops the reapers from coming back. Only they can choose not too.
@Dox well you guys at least have the US West servers too right? Or do they follow you even there?