ok i just had another game and i have to retract my earlier comment.
They dont have to ramp up their efforts, they have to start doing ANYTHING.
There was a cheater who balantly confessed this in the chat. felt a bit like a hack-tech demo:
-aimbot
-wallhack
-warping
-SHOOTING though fucking walls
-unreportable
-unkickable
half of this should be absolutely impossible by sanity checks alone. is that anticheat logo just for show?
Unfortunately there isn’t a definite solution to cheating at the moment.
Cheaters find a hole in the anti-cheat and use it.
Once it’s detected it gets fixed and the whole process repeats.
It’s a cat and mouse game.
came back today after a few months break and I swear to god, first 2 games had a blatant botter in them. To top it off both were over level 20, one being a level 22 and the other a 30. So no, clearly not banning people and if they are they take their time doing it. Really think the anti-cheat needs a rethink, clearly not very good because literally a day after the NGS is updated they have another work around ready. Splash the cash and get something decent, please.
[quote=“Dox;210934”]Sadly I want to know the same thing @Jostabeere. I’ve noticed a trend in new accounts using default cards being banned instantly, and people hacking who have spent money on cosmetics and trinkets taking much, much longer (some still haven’t been banned)
If anyone is going to argue “maybe they are not hacking” you’re just plain wrong. I know people who openly admitted they were using aimbots a while ago, who no longer use them though, and they were reported multiple times when they were using them. The common link between these two people? They’d both spent money on the game, and quite a bit of money, so it’s always made me wonder. [/quote]
The odd part about this mentality is that you are implying they are protected because they spent money. The reality of the situation would be quite the opposite. Nexon/SD have already collected a lot of money off of those guys. So if they get that account banned then they might get another account and purchase even more to make up for what they lost. Economically it doesn’t make sense to protect players who spend money in a F2P game.
However, those people who have invested time/money into the game but still want to cheat might have ways of helping them fool the system. We’ve discussed quite a few of those ways I know and without a better spec client and catching them doing something inhuman it’s going to be pretty hard to remove those types. Not impossible, but very hard. That’s quite possibly one of the issues support is running into with some players. And, of course, there are the players who use the same name on 50 accounts. You would not believe how many times somebody has PM’d me about a person, claim they were never banned only to find out they’ve been banned many times.
That’s why this game needs more layers of anti-cheat and a spec mode that more accurately represents what happened. I know of other MP UE3 games that can do it so it’s possible even if it’s a baseline weakness of UE3.
@Amerika You might be right, and it’s just a conspiracy. All I know and can tell from my experience is that I reported 23 people. 22 were low-levels or freebies, 1 was a whale. 22 reports were resolved in one reply from radrodo and their steam accounts never went online in DB again. The whale took a bit longer to actually get banned even though all footage I have of all the 23 is pretty similar. Wallhacks here, aimbots there. And the whale footage wasn’t “oh he might be legit”. It was straight wallhacking.
and again Amerika states things I am thinking but can never really put into words due to lack of skill… 
I honestly think things are not as straight forward as people think and hope it is. There are probably a lot of things going on in the background.
@The_N00B There’s actually something there. I’m just thinking whether it is a matter of economics that lead to the decision or some principle I am not aware of. I’m investigating the less probable one.
I spoke to a psychologist on how the human mind perceive things and he explained the thought mechanics. Engineered and translated into non-invasive software…
I guess we’re just kind of doomed in this respect. For some reason the guy who is hacking at the moment really has it in for us more well known players so actively follows us around. We basically just leave games when he joins now.
For reference, it’s the same guy, and he has multiple accounts, and he’s playing for hours every day. We can’t kick him, we can’t stop him, and even when Nexon do eventually get around to banning him (it’s been more than a week now) like I say, he has multiple accounts any way and just says he’ll play on another one if it gets banned, so it doesn’t bother him in the slightest.
I’m out of ideas, guess we’ll just stick to the private pug servers.
This is a long video but it touches on a lot of subjects I’ve brought up on this forum as to why it’s impossible to stop all cheating. The video will help people set their expectations and what they can to personally and what companies can do.
It’s not that people expecting game companies to defend all kinds of hacks from our/their game.
It was, It is, and it will be always endless cat and mouse game, but at least what SD can do besides depending on NGS is banning someone who was reported with clear evidence. (Of course banning someone innocent is unacceptable!)
Monitoring every fake e-mail Steam account(Well this is practically Steam’s problem but) is impossible, and I know SD doesn’t have enough money/people for this, but AT LEAST we normal players can expect someone to be banned, right?
Just like Dox expects this, me too. I deperately want to know what the heck happened.
There is this level 200 toggle aim/map hack user in this damn narrow Asia server called MXDNXSS(Nickname hided.), reported thousand times WITH videoS, and that guy still isn’t banned.
May be I should do the same thing just like @Jostabeere did.
Splash Damage has nothing to do with the anticheat or servers, that’s entirely up to Nexon, NGS (Black Cipher) is a Nexon product they use on several of their games, prolly good at bagging macros
Nice video Amerika… very informative…
I just would not recommend you lose hope and fall to despair THUNDA. From my experience every thing fixes itself in time. granted it usually breaks again soon after but for a brief while there is joy.
I don’t know what happened with some of the longer lasting cheaters. I just know the answer can not be simple.
As far as the hunting cheater Dox… you could try changing your name and photo in steam before you launch DB. make your profile private. Hopefully that prevents players from seeing the other names you use. I honestly don’t know though.
You might be able to play for a little while until they show up and learn the name. In that case get off take a break and just change everything again when you feel like it.
I know it is really not a solution but I think at least it can help some how.
Hopefully that prevents players from seeing the other names you use.
It doesn’t.
You could always make another account Dox and rek noobs until you’re stress relieved. I’ve been considering doing it myself for some time now.
@THUNDA Well, I don’t expect Nexon not banning people who are whales, but as a guy who looks at all ways of things, it’s not impossible imo. Evidence is shown by Asia/AUS community that people who cheat don’t get banned instantly.
But what I expect, is that the game support and the game devs ban cheaters without remorse when evidence is shown. I get really upset and facepalm myself really hard when I see people complaining about certain people and reporting them frequently with clear evidence, yet they don’t get banned.
i thought he doesnt cheat because i can kill him pretty easily.
i guess i was wrong…
[quote=“Amerika;211147”]This is a long video but it touches on a lot of subjects I’ve brought up on this forum as to why it’s impossible to stop all cheating. The video will help people set their expectations and what they can to personally and what companies can do.
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So what you’re saying is that anti-cheat is futile attempt and that there’s just no cure for the disease.
Yup… my point exactly. I don’t know what sort of fact you still need to deny the effectivity of NGS, or proponents of it.
That is the negative way to look at it but yes.
These are also pretty accurate:
There will never be peace forever.
Evil will never be completely destroyed.
Some one will always disagree.
Viruses will always exist.
There will always be conflict.
There will always be destruction.
Death is inevitable.
There is no final victory.
There is no end to pain.
Suffering will always exist.
delinquency will always exist
You can’t beat the Reapers…
This message has been repeated over and over again through various stories, religions, and spiritual teachings. We constantly see it in books, movies, and even video games. We sometimes see it on a daily basis acting out again and again.
often I think it is forgotten probably due to overexposure but I still see it there. It’s counter part and equal is still there as well.
It goes by many names like the other but in the end it truly never gives up. it never gives in. It will never stop fighting to match and oppose the other. Sadly it can not do it alone sometimes.
There is no Fate but what we make for ourselves, and unfortunately too many people choose to go hallow rather than fight on…