Is Nexon actually banning anyone right now?

(Melinder) #101

@Beryl Quite certain that this is against their policy. There was a previous incident where the devs were forced to take action against a member of the community and were unable to disclose any specific information except the fact that “appropriate action has been taken”.

(bontsa) #102

Rather than very direct “this and that person has been banned”, a more approximate “this month, thanks to your in-game reports and support tickets we have been able to ban X amount of accounts for cheating. Thanks everyone!”- type of thing on forums or their website would be pretty sweet.

Also in Ranked mode, each game that has had a script kid in, should nullify the rank up/down movement results once the cheater is banned. Advertising this could also incentivise people to actually kick off cheaters on their team, seeing they will gain absolutely nothing on keeping them in.

(Melinder) #103

Dota 2 used to have this notification.

I don’t see a reason for any player to be notified that somebody they have reported has been banned. No sense of satisfaction should come from such a thing - more a sense of dissatisfaction, knowing that you had resort to such aggressive means.

(Amerika) #104

Yes, and how come players can pick them up much faster than NGS can?
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I have explained this so many times I refuse to do it again. If you don’t understand how anti-cheat systems work please use the search function of this forum or Google in general. You can mash that disagree on Ardez’s post all you want but that doesn’t change the fact that he is right. And you’d know this if you did any research outside of just getting angry. You’ve been here long enough you should have caught one or two of the posts regarding this.

@poit187 You would know that Nexon/SD aren’t “protecting the feelings” of cheaters if you had read any previous posts on the subject or simply thought about it. You being outraged at the policy is because you are making up what you want to believe because you’re angry as opposed to being rational and either thinking about it, researching it or simply asking about why it’s done. Please do not make up information. It’s one of the few things on this forum I don’t personally tolerate. I like facts and discussions. Not outraged zealots making up “facts” as they go to fit their personal narrative.[/quote]

“You being outraged at the policy is because you are making up what you want to believe because you’re angry as opposed to being rational” REALLY? a video recording of the player is not fact based is it? its just me been angry… oh wait, its EXACTLY what the player did - verbatim.

“I like facts” both times I have had a warning on this forum was with PURE facts - video recordings of the player in question.

Fine, at the risk of getting a third strike; here, tell me what part of these videos is NOT fact based?
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You’re talking about a video showing a cheat. Which a support person would need to ban. I was talking about you accusing Nexon/SD of protecting cheaters and their “feelings”. Did you not happen to read what I typed? Again, your outrage has blinded you to what we are even talking about. You are crusading against Nexon and SD which is against the forum rules. If you have videos then submit them to support. Also educate yourself on why witch hunts are bad. There is a search tool here and a really nice one in Google. And why you are there look up why anti-cheat systems can have issues catching players (it has to do with your personal privacy, PC safety and in some countries, laws).

I also was not the person who banned you or even discussed anything of the sort. You’re wrong in what you’re doing but I didn’t ban you or even warn you for it.

-Edit- Apparently there was another page I hadn’t read yet. You posted videos of people cheating despite that not being the subject discussed. I honestly can’t believe people sometimes…

(Amerika) #105

[quote=“ChaoticElf;210062”][quote=“sweetColumn;210030”]please enlighten me about why the forum rules stated that we shouldnt do witch hunting?
i dont really know about the history behind it.[/quote]

Someone can probably put this more eloquently than I can. From what I understand, that’s exactly what it could turn into: a witch hunt. Due to the steam platform, it’s incredibly easy to change your display name on a whim. The forum rules are more in place to protect other players, not the hacker. If a hacker wanted to tarnish the name of another player, all they have to do is change their name to the targeted player and hack it up. Will it always work? No, probably not, but not all of the player base is clever enough to track steam IDs or, I hate to say this, employ rational thinking. In either case a witch hunt could start and cause trouble where there shouldn’t be any. For some people, just a name is damning enough.

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What you said is true. There is also laws to consider in a lot of countries. There is the fact that this is a f2p game and people can use any name they want. Even the same name over and over again which leads people to believe a cheater isn’t being banned despite them actually being banned but hopping on a new account using the same name on Steam. Posting videos of players cheating is literally advertising the cheats themselves for people looking for them. Also, many who cheat are doing it to grief and they want to see the results of their griefing and if they see a video of them and forum threads dedicated to them they think of it as a shrine to their griefing and it keeps them doing it as opposed to just getting bored. Also, when you can’t fully stop cheating (nobody has done it in over two decades), constantly posting about cheaters turns a community toxic as people fixate on it as opposed to the game and paranoia spreads faster than actual cheating.

There are some people who will constantly post about cheating as it drives them crazy. They could go 200 games straight without a cheater and then somebody pops in with a ragebot and it puts them into a forum posting frenzy. Rather than doing the rational thing of reporting them, leaving the server and joining a new one and continuing being happy they instead get incredibly angry and typically do not educate themselves properly on what their expectations should be (you will run into cheating in every single game…be mentally prepared for it).

And then there are hundreds and hundreds of players who will accuse players of cheating for anything and everything. I know because I have a Youtube channel full of exactly that…and those are from the people who actually choose to speak up (many don’t).

There are many other factors that I’ve listed in past posts. But those reasons are a good portion of it. There are a lot of reasons why people cheat and there are a lot of ways that people react to it. And history has proven, both gaming history and world history, that witch hunts don’t pan out too well due to the mob mentality driving it. If this was a league and I was running it you can bet your ass there would be ban lists. But all of the bans would be vetted by either myself or people I trust and peer reviewed by even more people and we’d be using tools that allowed us to collect a lot of evidence to ensure that we got them and all of their accounts when possible. I used to run CAL’s anti-cheat division (at first for a few game and then all of CAL). So I know how to do it proper. But this isn’t a league and none of us have access to tools that you’d have access to running league servers. So a community driven hunt for cheaters, outside of reporting them where support does have a lot of tools that can be used, is not possible. All it would serve is to give griefers the attention they desire, create more paranoia than there should be and it could potentially get players who are not cheating labeled or banned from servers they want to play on.

(GatoCommodore) #106

well i do met cheaters usually in late night around 12 to 3 in the morning.

and with last night, its the 6th in this month.
i did press the report function in the scoreboard

lets hope november big patch make DB security better.

(Amerika) #107

[quote=“sweetColumn;210106”]well i do met cheaters usually in late night around 12 to 3 in the morning.

and with last night, its the 6th in this month.
i did press the report function in the scoreboard

lets hope november big patch make DB security better.[/quote]

That leads into what I said about setting your own personal expectations. You’re playing a first person shooter on the internet. Combine that with it being free to play and it being easy to make new accounts. Unless you and your government are cool with giving up literally all privacy rights on your own PC and allowing a program that you don’t have any control over to read everything on your PC then there is no way to completely stop cheating with games currently. If you leave DB to go play another FPS you’ll run into cheaters in that FPS (and virtually every other game genre too). This is why I mentioned educating yourselves on how anti-cheat systems actually work, their strengths, their weaknesses and what DB as a game can do vs. what something like a league can do in regards to banning people along with being mentally prepared in dealing with it and doing what you can, as a community member, to help stop it or at least ignore it so it doesn’t hamper your fun.

Report people. Keep track of their steam profiles if you want (I do) but know that what you think is cheating might not be cheating. There are some crazy skilled players in DB or DB’s past. Many of the top Overwatch teams in NA and the EU have DB players as their DPS because DB is a game of raw aim in most cases and it translates well to other games. So you’re going to run into pretty amazing players. But if they are obviously botting don’t think much of it. Report, leave the server and go have fun elsewhere. Don’t dwell on it and move on because if you do it’s all you’ll think about (and then move to another game and have this repeat).

It’s fine to talk about and discuss…we’ve had many great discussions on this forum. Some of which has lead to change. However, it’s not fine to rage, witch hunt, crusade against, accuse and leave all rational mental faculties behind just because you’re upset. I’m not saying you’re doing this but it is a problem with some posters here.

(The_N00Ba) #108

[quote=“Amerika;210108”]
… However, it’s not fine to rage, witch hunt, crusade against, accuse and leave all rational mental faculties behind just because you’re upset. I’m not saying you’re doing this but it is a problem with some posters here.[/quote]

This pretty much sums up a lot of human history. i personally would not say it is a problem but more the Reality of things. There will always be at least one that goes against the grain. There will always be at least one that goes against the grain in order to match the the other one that goes against the grain.

Raging against a Rager, Hunting a Witch Hunter, Crusading against a crusader, ect ect is still raging, Witch hunting, crusading, ect ect.

What is my point… I honestly forgot at this point… uh

Deviancy is inevitable. That is the reality of society. There are always going to be cheaters, Haters of Cheaters, and Haters of Haters of Cheaters.

Hopefully that all makes sense some how.

As always though,
Thanks Amerika for sharing your view and experiences with us. The same of course goes for every here as well. :slight_smile:

(bontsa) #109

Sometimes I want, simply crave for “What the effin’ beep did I just read” reaction for @The_N00B 's posts :'D

(Press E) #110

I’m kind of curious where the influx of hackers has been coming from recently. Ran into a match today where a level 4 vassili on my team was obviously using some aimbot. I tried votekicking them, but no one voted yes.

This guy, level 7, said this, and proceeded to wipe the floor with us.
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Unfortunately I have no footage of them, but I reported both in game.

I’m really wondering where all the hacks are coming from at this point. It’s more than usual.

(bontsa) #111

[quote=“STARRYSOCK;210186”]

I’m really wondering where all the hacks are coming from at this point. It’s more than usual.[/quote]

As said plethora of times, they come in waves. Loophole is found / old one is breached, its exploited until developers find it and plug it, its more quiet for a while, rinse and repeat.

(Mc1412013) #112

i beleive this is against the name and shame policy
@eox @Ardez @Amerika corect me if im wrong

(Press E) #113

Whoops, wasn’t my intention.
I edited out the quote.

(Herr_Hanz) #114

[quote=“STARRYSOCK;210205”][quote=“Mc1412013;210196”]

i beleive this is against the name and shame policy
@eox @Ardez @Amerika corect me if im wrong
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Whoops, wasn’t my intention.
I edited out the quote.[/quote]

technically posting the steam name could be allowed because its a steam name, a name that can be changed in a second, not to mention the possibility of multiple people with the same name.

i kind of name and shame by not blacking out the names of stupid people i meet in the “best of dirty bomb chat” thread but never gotten a warning for it. but thats probaly because its to make fun of, and not hunt people.

(The_N00Ba) #115

So wait… does quoting some who is potentially breaking the name and shame policy also go against the name and shame policy???

(bontsa) #116

Guys, stop making it deliberately hard / confusing or cling into semantics.

If it advertises script kiddies’s actions, gives them attention, its makes more harm than good mentioning them. Simple.

(Mc1412013) #117

Dunno thats why i tagged the mods to find out if it is then we will know fo next time when and if they reply

(Xenithos) #118

[quote=“sweetColumn;209092”][quote=“ThaiSan;209077”]@Mc1412013

Some hackers might argue:
“I play games for fun. Winning/ is fun for me. So I use every way there is to win, so I can have fun.”
Those people don’t care about others, maybe don’t even really realize that they play against other people (Not in the way of “Naah, those are just bots” but more like “They are just some random guys from across the world so why should I care”). More people then you’d think are assholes in games because they aren’t face to face with their opponent. Maybe it’s a form of power fantasy, stress relieve or they get bullied in RL and now they found a platform where they can show the world how it feels to be on the receiving end of wrongfully used power.

It’s the most extreme version of people who only use weapons/equipment that is commonly known as overpowered just so they have every advantage they can get.

Things like honor or showing sportsmanship are concepts they don’t understand. Living for the moment and only for their pleasure.[/quote]

people like that dies fast.
i hope.[/quote]

Can confirm, Whenever I try to knife fight Bread Pitt or Leb or X3N they are very dishonorabru and kill me. fast. It’s disheartening. I don’t think many people are honorable when it comes to phantom v phantom knife fight. But Whatevs.

(Xenithos) #119

[quote=“sweetColumn;210030”]
and @Amerika please enlighten me about why the forum rules stated that we shouldnt do witch hunting?
i dont really know about the history behind it.[/quote]

Someone never read the Salem witch trials. Regardless of whatever the developer’s and community’s responses to why witch hunts shouldn’t happen, when people go “witch hunting” it means they disregard facts just to burn another witch. In the Salem witch trials and in Europe in the Dark ages areas people could claim anything to get someone hung, one of the more popular ones was witch-related.

… outraged zealots making up “facts” as they go to fit their personal narrative.

That’s a witch hunt.

Sorry, I just realized I’m a little more than late to answering your question…

(Xenithos) #120

Um… not to be rude, but killing 3 people in 1 second with a pistol is something I’ve done… on several occasions. (unless you mean instant kill per shot like hackers, which now that I re-read I think is what you were saying. In which case carry on, nothing to see here. :flushed: )