I HATE CHEAP CLANS!!!

[DG1]

That might be true for this game because it is free, but for other games the servers are usually sponsored by the publisher. It’s the inherent cost of multiplayer gameplay. Of course the publisher doesn’t sponsor servers for ever. After a while it’s pretty much up to the community to pay for them. But by the time the game has gotten old and stale.

… but in the end most servers don’t cost much. I know some can go up to $150 a month but I’ve seen servers for as low as 40 bucks a month as well. If you split that up 5-10 ways you’re not really paying anything.

other people paying means other people do what they like with it, your post makes you come accross as a spoilt freeloader tbh. I cant fathom wth gave you the idea that a remotely significant amount of servers are paid for by publishers, this almost only happens with subscription-based games - where of course you get to complain all you like about servers etc, since there you’re paying.

[FstFngrz]

Hmm…
What does it cost a year… (~=approximate)

$~150mo x 12 = $1800-$2000 for 35 person server.
+
$~75mo x 12 = $900 for www.clanfake1.com and accessories’.
+Time=Money (news, help pages, admin, maps, forums, ect, ect, ect…)

= ~$3000 CASH out of pocket + Time. (thats alot of $$$)
~Double it if you want to run a 64 person server.

If you wanted to start a clan/group and provide one(1) server and one functional website that what you would be looking to pay.

Granted you could do it for a lot less or a lot more, but if you look that is about what the common going rates are.

[Machine_for_to_kill]

Servers for most strategy games are paid for by publisher.

Ever heard of Battle.net

The case is a little different for FPS since bandwith requirements are significantly higher.

The main purpose of this thread though was not to rag on clan servers, but to rag on clan people who are jerks. Of course though everyone likes to pick on one little detail that was thrown in there randomly. …jeez you’re worse than fox news.

[zbeta]

if you ever come across b real or destiny i strongly suggest you leave, thos two little dickheads bust my balls everytime i see them, they join your team for like 2 secs to see where your sniping and then go and tell the other witht eh panzer, but it ussually doesnt matter what class you are, thay have their assraping little ways of getting around most peoples tactics.

another one of their little things they loe is misguided chat, never beleive anythign they say. its all bullshit. youll find that out fast. im done complaining about these assholes. once again im going back to my pizza!

midnite deliveries kick majaor ass!

agree… stay away “ClanBase” server… admins on that server should banne those two! they make them self ref…and kick whoever they like :banghead: if you plant dynemite on fuel dump … and have few more sec till it blow… guess what…they make timelimit short…so they could win

[SCDS_reyalP]

Servers for most strategy games are paid for by publisher.

Ever heard of Battle.net

Then WTF does that have to do with discussion of FPS clans, and the fact that most of them pay a lot of money for their servers ? (note, there is a reason clans pay $100/month for servers even though there might be ones avialable for $40… they want stable pings, responsive support and useful features)

The case is a little different for FPS since bandwith requirements are significantly higher.

The main purpose of this thread though was not to rag on clan servers, but to rag on clan people who are jerks.

Uhh, and you do that by making statements which are 100% wrong and claiming they are fact ?

In my experience, the percentage of clan players who are jerks is pretty close to the percentage of non-clan players who are jerks. It is also my experience that clan servers are better configured, better admined, and attract a higher level of competition than other servers. Of course there are always exceptions.

[Kendle]

The main purpose of this thread though was not to rag on clan servers, but to rag on clan people who are jerks. Of course though everyone likes to pick on one little detail that was thrown in there randomly. …

“clan people” can be “clan jerks” all they like on their servers, that’s the point.

However, it’s also inaccurate and a gross generalisation to imply that being in a “clan” makes you a “jerk” in the first place. Quite the opposite in my experience. If you care enough about a game to play it competitively and pay for server / webspace / comms, etc., you’re less likely to be a “jerk” than the casual player who cares nothing for the game and pays nothing to play it, IMHO.

[g00se]

Unless you have paid money for the server you’re currently playing on, you have NO RIGHTS whatsoever to be there or pass judgement on who is and how they conduct themselves.

I think you went a little far here. I believe I have a few rights. As a non-clan player I actually provide something of value. I populate your public servers, aid in its administration by voting to remove bad players (which is by nature passing judgement on behalf of the server in the event of masters abscence), pass on info about it (chat, ET server list itself, etc), ultimately bringing more people to your public servers which I am sure is quite helpful to your clan. My contributions are far greater than the serf you paint me to be.

[LodeRunner]

It’s situations like this that drive me to only run my server as long as I am going to play on it, or at least be at home to monitor it (my server is in my room connected to 10 MB fiber, along with my workstations). So when I run the server which is hardware and software (Windows 2000 Server isn’t cheap) I paid for on the internet connection I pay for, I expect players to be courteous. That said I agree with g00se. Players have some rights, but they needto comply with the administrations wishes. As has been pointed out, if you don’t like the admins, just leave and find a better server. I appreciate players who are there for the game and to have a good time. Most smack talk doesn’t bother me, but I warn people when it gets out of hand. I don’t hesitate to permanently ban people if they cannot comply with a relatively simple request I make (be it anything from stop camping here or there, to stop with the foul language).

[SCDS_reyalP]

My contributions are far greater than the serf you paint me to be.

Indeed, any server op (clan or not) that wants to attract decent regular players will treat them with respect.

[BlackDeath]

Lmao, all clanners are jerks, lmao, yeah…right… :bash:

Okay, im not officially in any “clan” in ET, but i help out alot with top rated ones. In my long experience with fps, generally, those who are best at the game, who spend the most time playing with their fellow clanmates and others in the game, are generally some of the nicest peeps around. The best peeps in the world relize what they have done, and are generally extremely knowledgeable on fps in general, while being extremely friendly people in the process.

Think, without clans, how many servers do you think would be out there right now? If everyone in a clan stopped renting servers, and became “free-floaters” like yourself, do you think there would be enough space for everyone to play? You should be THANKING the clans for forming and paying the bills for the server YOU are on. :banghead:

[The_Jesus_Zeppelin]

now i didnt post this to sound ignorant but i had no clue what the deal was with et, ive been in a few in ut, but thats a completly different sytle of fps, and with bar none team work. so i had no initial clue of et clans, just…i dont like most of em.

[Azarael]

Most of the et clans that i’ve come accross, including my own are groups of server regulars or friends. That being said, I don’t play on any other public servers very often, so I can’t say about them. Kendle is very much correct in saying that your rights are limited when you’re playing on a server someone else pays for. Cain’s Lair for example has been getting 3000 vistors per day. In the 4 or so months that i’ve been playing there, I have seen and heard very few real complaints about any clan players who frequent the server. However, there has been a good number of non-clan players who have made nuisances of themselves. All that I can really say for sure about any of this, is that as long as people stick to the game, everything is cool. Flame wars and fighting have little or no place in game.

[The_Jesus_Zeppelin]

i can understand what kendle is saying and thats perfectly understandable, but what im trying to get at is the clan servers who are run off of these peoples computers and make the game in their favor, and are using cheap tactics in the first place. thats what gets me, these arnt even real clans, the bulk of the ones ive run across are run by stupid 15 year old kids who think their god of et because their xp whoring little gimps, there not actual clans when all they do is sit aroudn and play with their friends and then go online and use their little stratagies. for example b-real and destiny, i know im not the only one whos had a problem with these gusy cause i originally heard of them off of another message board and then encountered them about 2 days later. thats what really gets me angry. i dunno im ranting

[Kendle]

Yep, there are some real lame ass-hats around, that’s for sure. And there are certainly some who think putting a tag in front of their name makes them “special” somehow. The most common criticism of Clanned players is their supposed “elitist” attitude.

However, as has been stated before, most Clan players can usually be relied upon to behave better than Joe Public because they devote time and money to the game that non-Clanned players don’t.

It’s all very well complaining about the behaviour of some Clan players, because there will always be some for which the criticism is justified, however these are the exception, not the rule.

I would still defend, however, the right of anyone who pays for, or hosts, their own server to behave like gimps and use cheap tactics all they like. They can do what they like in their own backyard and no-one can tell them otherwise. However, if they want to attract visitors to their servers, on which to practise their “leet” tactics and skills, then they might like to consider conducting themselves in a more favourable manner, but it’s entirely their choice. At the end of the day, you, as the visitor to that server, maintain the right to leave and go elsewhere if it isn’t to your liking.

[ColdBackHAND]

In my experience I’d say 90% of Clans are “exempt” from your grossly unfair generalisations.

There are 2 things you all need to understand about Clans:-

1. Clans rent servers from GSPs (Game Server Providers). Without this income these GSPs wouldn’t provide the public servers that you play on and which cost you nothing.

2. Clans open up their servers to the public to provide you, the non-paying player, with even more servers to play on that don’t cost you anything.

So next time you jump on a server that hasn’t cost you a penny, and you see a few players with Clan tags, remember that it’s them, and others like them, that have put their hands in their pockets, directly or indirectly, to provide you with those servers in the first place.

And if you do end up on a Clan’s public server, and surprise, surprise, they want players on their server to play by their rules, then please either abide by those rules or STFU and go elsewhere.

That was beautiful.

c-ya

[Machine_for_to_kill]

I was just in this drunken soldier server. Was playing with my brother. My brother called this drunken soldier guy a cheater and they kicked him. And then they were laughing at him. And that guy was almost definately cheating.

Fucking clans are assholes. The server monetary cost is nothing compared to the enjoyment they get from having a little bit of power.

[SCDS_reyalP]

I was just in this drunken soldier server. Was playing with my brother. My brother called this drunken soldier guy a cheater and they kicked him. And then they were laughing at him. And that guy was almost definately cheating.

Fucking clans are assholes. The server monetary cost is nothing compared to the enjoyment they get from having a little bit of power.

LOL, what do you expect if you accuse the server ops of cheating ?

If they are cheating, they are likely to kick you for catching on. Which shouldn’t bother you, since you don’t want to play with cheaters anyway, right ?

If they are not cheating, then they are well justified in kicking you for false accusations.

Either way, accusing them in chat does nothing for you. If you wanted to do something about it, you would keep quiet and record a demo. Assuming they are a competition clan, a demo of obvious cheating could cause them serious problems.

And speaking of demos, without one, dont expect anyone here to believe your accusations either.

[Kendle]

I was just in this drunken soldier server. Was playing with my brother. My brother called this drunken soldier guy a cheater and they kicked him. And then they were laughing at him. And that guy was almost definately cheating.

Fucking clans are assholes. The server monetary cost is nothing compared to the enjoyment they get from having a little bit of power.

So, hypothetically speaking, you’re walking along the street with your bro’, and you notice a couple of guys playing basketball in their back yard (note: their back yard). You and your bro’ walk in and join in the game (the gate’s not locked), even though you weren’t invited, it’s not your property and you have ZERO right to be there.

Your bro’ accuses one of them of cheating and, quite understandably, they kick him out (of their back yard remember). And this makes them assholes?

Man, you seriously need to get a clue. :banghead:

[Kerunch]

Kendle I enjoy reading your posts Where do you get to time to write so much? Can i have a job there as well please. (I agree completly with your views this time). :eek2:

[The_Jesus_Zeppelin]

this all depends, i can see kendles point but then machines point isnt to clear, now if it wasnt their server, it was a public server, and they just join there alot, making it no ones property, they had no right to kick anyone, and even if it was their server they open a server up to the public expecting people to come in and play, so he had every right to be there unless it was some kinda private party, but then dont you think it be passworded. saying machine had no right to be there is like saying id open up a thread and ask people not to post. they guy obviosly wanted people there, so machine had some right to be there. and then to boot that, if the guy is soooooo good, he should be used to people calling him a cheater, and not take any offense in it, and just go on with the game, unless he is a cheater and didnt want the other layers to know fearing that theyd leave the game. i dunno. it could go both ways!