I got kicked from a Melee match because i wont comply to their orders

[bontsa]

I’m out of popcorn by now and its merely a 2nd page so I guess I can hop in already.

As said here by Szakalot, B.Montiel and such multiple times, they aren’t exactly doing anything “wrong”. Neither are ones for going in gunplaying, but kickvote IS majority’s dictatorship and always remain such. Democracy, yo.

Easiest solution is indeed to find another server if you have no means of joining them. Melee-fun will die out at some point anyway and it’s only 1 server in a vast sea of others. Highest percentage of the servers will always be “normal” gunplay bear in mind, so melee-only foolery is all fine and ok every once in a while.

Things would be much less of a hassle if instead of kickvoting everybody melee-onlying just took as their game goal to crap on the one gunning fella, resulting in them just leaving on their own :’) That was fun the one time I ever encountered melee-only during my +900 active hours of DB.

[blufflord]

When people ask to play melee only, ill usually oblige if im in the mood or just leave the server.
But the problem i had the other day was that it was happening on a min10. It takes me ages to find a min10 to play on, so i decided to stay and melee only. But cause I had joined just after it started, i brought 2 loadouts with the stilletto and other people were straight up try harding with katana kira.
So either i had a shit melee only match, or go play with newbs who appear to have never used a keyboard and mouse before. Either way i get fucked.

[Sir_Rexman]

[quote=“defentialDriver;188000”]When people ask to play melee only, ill usually oblige if im in the mood or just leave the server.
But the problem i had the other day was that it was happening on a min10. It takes me ages to find a min10 to play on, so i decided to stay and melee only. But cause I had joined just after it started, i brought 2 loadouts with the stilletto and other people were straight up try harding with katana kira.
So either i had a @$!# melee only match, or go play with newbs who appear to have never used a keyboard and mouse before. Either way i get @$!#.[/quote]

Lol xD Yh thats why I tend to always one kira katana loadout, plus Kira being one of my top favourite mercs also helps. that being said I can see some nerfs coming for her, wielding the katana, I seem to see alot of people complaining ;-; Its funny that imo, Kira works better with the katana then phantom, because of her speed. but that’s arguable. But yh I can see where you are coming from.

But as I stated we just got to see if Casual matchmaking fixes these noob issues. I’d prefer if there was a lobby for under 10’s too instead of min 10 and max 5, as I feel players grow the most (with knowledge and skill) between 5-10 imo. Then again I was a late learner only learned how to do trickjumps at around 17 and only learned longjumps after the new tutorial xD

[Icecoal]

4th time today ? I’m at 500hrs + and this never happened to me. Do you exaggerate to make your point ? And if everyone agreed to go melee I’d look for another server

[blonk]

Who are you to say how the game is supposed to play? Noone ever said you should shoot only and can’t play a melee match. Can you show a written rule that say you’re not supposed to have melee matches? You’re pretty good at seeing your rights, but not rights of other players. And that’s being a dick at it’s best.

I’m fairly sure SD implemented all the guns and mercs for us to use, that’s as close to saying how the game is supposed to be played as anything. We could start the IDBWTF (International Dirty Bomb Working Task Force) and try to define that further if you want, maybe get some standards of conduct brought into force?

STANDARD OF DICKERY SECTION 1.27.3 (ratified)

When a player encounters one or more other players (herein referred to as pubscrubs), IF it has been declared as a melee-only environment and WHEN all parties are in agreement, any attempted use of a firearm, kirapole or frisbee enables the use of the vested authority of the pubscrubs to remove the individual by using any means necessary.

I’d also say that SD probably didn’t implement the votekick command so that people can enforce arbritary rulesets. Probably.

[kopyright]

We had one of these party poopers on a melee-only match. It was my pleasure to hunt him down with my primary and then switch back to the bat and join the rest of the gang again.

[BerylRdm]

As for now, we need official melee only servers, with abilities and firearms blocked. I doubt this will be a very hard thing for SD to do. But what we really, really need, and this discussion proves that, are the community servers…

[inscrutableShow]

[quote=“grumpyBull;187723”][quote=“arcaneCanvas;30702”]i was told to melee only by some douche who thinks they run the game.

i got kicked because i dont want to play melee and starts to shoot.

this is 4th time this day i got kicked because of this.

can SD add report type for this kind of thing?[/quote]

Next time just call a vote shuffle straight after they try to kick you, it cancels the vote kick.

Then continue launching those nades into the pricks.

@Jostabeere Wake up, how is he being a dick by joining a public server and trying to play the game?

Because some entitled @$!# says it’s melee only? pfffffffffffffffffffffffffff[/quote]

Umm, if it’s one dude yelling “KNIF ONLIE!!!” and trying to kick everybody else, then ignore him. But if everybody except you is trying to play melee only, then you should either play melee only or find another server. It’s not like you spent a hour waiting in a ranked queue. You literally picked a name off of a list and joined. You can find another one. I’ve been in several really fun melee matches that got ruined by some jerk like you that refused to cooperate. You are the one that’s “entitled” if you won’t find another server and let people have their fun.

Also, I’m pretty sure manipulating vote shuffles like that is against the rules.

@KUST__LunarTM That really needs to happen. Hopefully will come out when and if community servers are added.

[Cletus_VanDamme]

@inscrutableShow

So in your opinion, somebody who logs into dirty bomb and tries to play the game is entitled, while somebody who tries to commandeer a public server and force people to play by their rules is not.

Alrighty then.

What if I’ve only got time for 1 game?
Why can’t the people wanting to play with custom rules use the private match function?
What happens when there’s a penalty introduced for leaving games?
Am I still entitled for not wanting to receive a penalty because somebody decides that a public server is their very own private server?

Edit - As Beryl said, this just proves that we need community servers.

I have no problem with knife only, I’ll join in if I’m in the mood.

But as a decent, respectful human being, I can sure see the side of people who don’t want that.

And the fact is that 99% of these melee lobbies are just ridiculous with random rules made up by children.

‘Dude you can’t use airstrikes this is melee only’

Drops medpacks inbetween fights.

Not to mention the balance issues when people have Rhino / chopper, Proxy / quickslash, Phantom / Katana, Kira / Katana etc.

Is it THAT FU**ING HARD to start a private lobby and invite people?!?!?!?

[ClemClem7]

@grumpyBull
I agree for the time when we will have leaving penalties. It’ll be another problem then.
But if the majority is fine with a rule (melee only) and you’re the only one who don’t agree, just let them play with their rules. Public matches with melee only are fun because it’s improvised. Sure you can invite people, but if you don’t want to add everyone on steam you can’t…
If Everyone on the server before you join were fine, you can’t enforce people to stop playing melee only. It’s your right to use guns, it’s their to kick you. All is about Point of View.
If you leave and find another server, you’ll loose 1mn. Not like you were so busy, you don’t have 1minute more to find another server ? You were playing a video game, you have time to.
If you don’t have time to find another match, then don’t play it, it’s just a game, not an obligation. If you have others obligations, just do it before. I often play just before going to work. I play 1 game. If it’s too short and I have no time, or I’m not sure to have time to finish the match, I don’t play, it’s not a big problem.

[blonk]

Also, I’m pretty sure manipulating vote shuffles like that is against the rules.

Votekicking people because they aren’t playing with you and your chums is what votekicking is for, right?

[quote=“grumpyBull;188111”]
So in your opinion, somebody who logs into dirty bomb and tries to play the game is entitled, while somebody who tries to commandeer a public server and force people to play by their rules is not.[/quote]

Commandeer is an excellent word for it and describes the situation very well, you’re essentially hijacking a public server and enforing your own ruleset on it. Not saying it can’t be fun when it happens naturally, but don’t deceive yourself that you’re automatically in the right because more than a couple of people are cooperating.

I think that’s the bit I have issue with, when these things happen naturally among a group of players it’s brilliant fun, but when people start getting precious and abusing players it probably needs to stop, and I’ve seen people get some very nasty things said to them in game because they aren’t playing along and kickvotes aren’t succeeding.

It’s your right to use guns, it’s their to kick you.

Again I’d love for someone for SD to voice in on this, but I don’t think they have the right to kick you. They have the ability to because they are the majority, but that doesn’t give them the right. AAA titles like the battlefield series have specific rules for server operators that they aren’t allowed to enforce custom rules in ranked servers, I’d say there’s a strong precedent given that DB is stats tracked/ranked that you are probably in the wrong to be kicking people in these cases.

edit: i suck at quotes

[ClemClem7]

I understand the problem of “the game is made to be played with guns…”
What about an other point of view over the problem:
People were having fun together with melee only, you just joined the game, and decide to break their fun because of the way the game is meant to be played.
You should leave, or play with them but you decide to use gun rather than fun (^^).
Maybe they don’t have the RIGHT to kick you. But publics servers are made to group some community members for them to play together and have fun together, with guns or not. They decide of the way they want to have fun. Why someone can come in, say “I want to play with my guns, screw you all with your fun” ?
The game is not meant to be play with guns, this game was made to have fun together. We can’t decide for people the way we want them to play.

A real life example may be:
Some dudes are playing football/soccer on a field. They play with their own rules (we can say no goalkeeper and small goals). Then you come, say them “I want to play with you here, but with the real rules. I don’t care if you were here before, all agree together to play with yours own rules. This game is meant to be played with a goalkeeper and big goals. Then play with the right rules or don’t play it”.

Do you think it’s OK here ?
They may kick you out of the field or ask you to leave if they’re polite. But you can’t enforce them to play with rules they don’t like if they decide of rules before you join. The field they play on is not theirs, but neither yours. Same goes with servers.
It can be painful in case of real life because you dont often have more than 1 football/soccer field at one place. But with video games, you have choice to find another server.

[Jostabeere]

[quote=“Jostabeere;187997”]Who are you to say how the game is supposed to play? Noone ever said you should shoot only and can’t play a melee match. Can you show a written rule that say you’re not supposed to have melee matches? You’re pretty good at seeing your rights, but not rights of other players. And that’s being a dick at it’s best.

I’m fairly sure SD implemented all the guns and mercs for us to use, that’s as close to saying how the game is supposed to be played as anything. We could start the IDBWTF (International Dirty Bomb Working Task Force) and try to define that further if you want, maybe get some standards of conduct brought into force?

[/quote]
You’re right. But doesn’t it make melee-modes also legit since SD implemented melee weapons? And it basically still stays open that you “can” use everything instead “you have to” use your guns.
We could say DBN is a farce since they added rules like banning a merc and I believe they also made a merc-limit. We should ignore non-official rules and play a full-single-merc-team in a tournament.
I know it’s a bit exaggregated, but you get the point.

[arcaneCanvas]

[quote=“blonk;188014”][quote=“Jostabeere;187997”]Who are you to say how the game is supposed to play? Noone ever said you should shoot only and can’t play a melee match. Can you show a written rule that say you’re not supposed to have melee matches? You’re pretty good at seeing your rights, but not rights of other players. And that’s being a dick at it’s best.

I’m fairly sure SD implemented all the guns and mercs for us to use, that’s as close to saying how the game is supposed to be played as anything. We could start the IDBWTF (International Dirty Bomb Working Task Force) and try to define that further if you want, maybe get some standards of conduct brought into force?

[/quote]
You’re right. But doesn’t it make melee-modes also legit since SD implemented melee weapons? And it basically still stays open that you “can” use everything instead “you have to” use your guns.
We could say DBN is a farce since they added rules like banning a merc and I believe they also made a merc-limit. We should ignore non-official rules and play a full-single-merc-team in a tournament.
I know it’s a bit exaggregated, but you get the point.

[/quote]

melee weapons are legit, but hijacking server and making your own rules?
not so sure about that

i think its better if people want to play melee alongside people who wants to shoot.
i mean even for myself i used aura knives more often than the shotgun

[Jostabeere]

[quote=“Jostabeere;188131”][quote=“blonk;188014”][quote=“Jostabeere;187997”]Who are you to say how the game is supposed to play? Noone ever said you should shoot only and can’t play a melee match. Can you show a written rule that say you’re not supposed to have melee matches? You’re pretty good at seeing your rights, but not rights of other players. And that’s being a dick at it’s best.

I’m fairly sure SD implemented all the guns and mercs for us to use, that’s as close to saying how the game is supposed to be played as anything. We could start the IDBWTF (International Dirty Bomb Working Task Force) and try to define that further if you want, maybe get some standards of conduct brought into force?

[/quote]
You’re right. But doesn’t it make melee-modes also legit since SD implemented melee weapons? And it basically still stays open that you “can” use everything instead “you have to” use your guns.
We could say DBN is a farce since they added rules like banning a merc and I believe they also made a merc-limit. We should ignore non-official rules and play a full-single-merc-team in a tournament.
I know it’s a bit exaggregated, but you get the point.

[/quote]

melee weapons are legit, but hijacking server and making your own rules?
not so sure about that

i think its better if people want to play melee alongside people who wants to shoot.
i mean even for myself i used aura knives more often than the shotgun[/quote]

There isn’t a rule that says you’re not allowed to take a server and set up your rules if the majority wants to. But there is a rule to not being a dick to the majority in such cases. I don’t get why you didn’t understand it after so many people told you that you’re the bad guy in this situation.

[blonk]

[quote=“ClemClem7;188130”]
The game is not meant to be play with guns[/quote]

http://i.imgur.com/A1xxOKF.png

[kopyright]

Guess that rules out stickies as well since they are neither guns nor projectiles. Farewell, sweet Fletcher… :’(

[ClemClem7]

[quote=“blonk;188140”][quote=“ClemClem7;188130”]
The game is not meant to be play with guns[/quote]

http://i.imgur.com/A1xxOKF.png

http://i.imgur.com/s7hR7wq.png
[/quote]

Please don’t take a sentence out of the context.
A game is made for the fun people will have playing this game. If players prefer playing without guns, they have right to melee only.
The game is centered around guns, but they’re not an obligation. You’re not stuck with guns so the game is not meant to be played ONLY with guns.

[arcaneCanvas]

[quote=“ClemClem7;188144”][quote=“blonk;188140”][quote=“ClemClem7;188130”]
The game is not meant to be play with guns[/quote]

http://i.imgur.com/A1xxOKF.png

http://i.imgur.com/1qt2vbc.png

http://i.imgur.com/s7hR7wq.png
[/quote]
so the game is not meant to be played ONLY with guns.[/quote]

out of context.

so guns aaannd…

it still have guns rite?

[quote=“arcaneCanvas;188132”][quote=“Jostabeere;188131”][quote=“blonk;188014”][quote=“Jostabeere;187997”]Who are you to say how the game is supposed to play? Noone ever said you should shoot only and can’t play a melee match. Can you show a written rule that say you’re not supposed to have melee matches? You’re pretty good at seeing your rights, but not rights of other players. And that’s being a dick at it’s best.

I’m fairly sure SD implemented all the guns and mercs for us to use, that’s as close to saying how the game is supposed to be played as anything. We could start the IDBWTF (International Dirty Bomb Working Task Force) and try to define that further if you want, maybe get some standards of conduct brought into force?

[/quote]
You’re right. But doesn’t it make melee-modes also legit since SD implemented melee weapons? And it basically still stays open that you “can” use everything instead “you have to” use your guns.
We could say DBN is a farce since they added rules like banning a merc and I believe they also made a merc-limit. We should ignore non-official rules and play a full-single-merc-team in a tournament.
I know it’s a bit exaggregated, but you get the point.

[/quote]

melee weapons are legit, but hijacking server and making your own rules?
not so sure about that

i think its better if people want to play melee alongside people who wants to shoot.
i mean even for myself i used aura knives more often than the shotgun[/quote]

There isn’t a rule that says you’re not allowed to take a server and set up your rules if the majority wants to. But there is a rule to not being a dick to the majority in such cases. I don’t get why you didn’t understand it after so many people told you that you’re the bad guy in this situation. [/quote]

there isnt a rule in the game that forbid me from not dropping my medpack in the game but people ask me to drop my medpack

[Jostabeere]

[quote=“arcaneCanvas;188145”]
there isnt a rule in the game that forbid me from not dropping my medpack in the game but people ask me to drop my medpack[/quote]
Aaand this makes no sense…