I DEFINITLEY think MODDERS/HACKERS are on brink already

(AmishWarMachine) #41

Sorry, couldn’t resist.

(REDL34D3R) #42

That will never escape me lol, this Tag was made for something completely unrelated but ended up that way wherever I join a game. It was initially for some stupid power ranger clan in halo we made a bunch of leaders out of boredom.

(AnthonyDa) #43

[quote=Apoc;357769]Only seen one hacker in brink (PC), in the ESL brink championship qualifiers, the big clue was that when checking the ESL wirelogs of the match and his previous matches, it showed he logged in, then logged out 1 minute later, then played the game.

Another clue was that he didnt strafe shoot, and instead stood still infront of a doorway and headshotted our entire team with a single clip of the richie xD

Funnily enough we still won, but was made much harder creating tactics on the fly to counter an aimbot, namely, call his position and nadeshoot him out of the game.[/quote]
Brink does not offer 1st person spectating features yet, therefore any and all claims of “seeing” hacking are moot as you cannot, in any way shape or form, make a determination on someone’s hacking status based off of a third person shoulder camera.

:smiley:

(ZionDelhamorte) #44

lmmfao…wait…is he serious? Is he serious? Sorry my good sir but it doesent take a rocket scientist to see that a man is cheating…And gratz for taking out the trash(hacker in tourney) Apoc.

(its al bout security) #45

bump :slight_smile: doubt me now on my new one i dare yah i have seen about 15+ videos cross platform kids you have a nice day

(GreasedScotsman) #46

Le sigh. No, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to spot a hacker, but good aim does not mean someone must be hacking.

To reference an earlier post, 5 headshots in a row of morons flooding a doorway could quite as easily be 5 headshots of morons flooding a doorway (don’t flood choke points, morons).

I could link numerous Quake 3 videos of gameplay that people would swear up and down is hacking, for example, but in fact, it was merely footage of a player having an amazing day aim-wise. Given Brink’s luck=aim system, it’s more than likely just a matter of the roll of the dice favoring the shooter.

I can get 5 headshots in a row with a revolver. And I suck. :stuck_out_tongue:

More importantly, my whole point is that you need EVIDENCE when you make a hackusation if you want anyone to take you seriously. And, rather than post names (as was done in an earlier thread) or vent frustrations here on these forums, players need to send their EVIDENCE through the proper channels so the appropriate action can be taken.

Do hackers exist? On the PC? Surely. On the console… maybe, but it’d be minimized to the “I’m willing to mod my xbox and get it banned from Live forever” crowd. Are there console players who have decided modding is fun and they want to show off their single player exploits on Youtube? Absolutely. But the probability of those Xboxes getting online to play vs on Live is slim enough to just tell the OP to report the offenders through proper channels, reconnect to a different server and move on with their lives, not make some crusade out of it on these forums.

(ZionDelhamorte) #47

Yes people have good aim in shooters…but how much have you really sat and played brink online yourself?? Can you truely say you went threw a match getting atleast 3-5 kills a life? I only ask this because when i play on the ps3 the group we get together has some crazy matches with some greatly skilled players but i may see them get atleast 2-3 kills in the situation discribed by apoc…

Logically someone on the team heading for the doorway would have seen him and had time to shoot because one(typically) cant take out 4-8 players by themselves in that situation due to being outgunned and outmanned.The ritchie has alot of kick and its hard to go down the line with something that takes that long to steady again and kill a whole team…just saying from playing the game. I prefer faster pistols to try something like that.

(TheJamesSliceCo) #48

I believe I ran across a few “hackers” the other night, but who cares. I’m trying to have fun with a “game.” Like I posted somewhere earlier, it’s a game. I still don’t get though why people find it necessary to hack games. Are you afraid to lose? For crying out loud, there are more important things in life then needing to win every game.:penguin:

(Apoc) #49

[quote=AnthonyDa;357842]Brink does not offer 1st person spectating features yet, therefore any and all claims of “seeing” hacking are moot as you cannot, in any way shape or form, make a determination on someone’s hacking status based off of a third person shoulder camera.

:D[/quote]

lol, i know, what i can do however is presume he is hacking, as he refused to use the anticheat in every match he played in a tournament that requires it. I do not have to be certain of this, i do not even have to think he is. He didnt use the anti cheat program and therefor got kicked off the tourney.

Now @GreasedScotsman 5 headshots with a richie revolver is not a simple task, especially with 5 bullets, against a team of light comp players, all returning fire. This wasnt actually what made me think he was hacking. His lack of movement and gamesense, and shooting techniques were what made me suspect him. The fact that he would stand perfectly still and crouch in most firefights then kill multiple people in seconds. The fact that he killed people faster than anyone i had played before, including all the dignitas, epsilon, veritas etc etc ect players, and he did it on a consistant basis, yet had no previous comp history. Im sorry but he was cheating, even his team dissowned him.

But i agree, you cant prove that he is cheating. You can only accuse. Luckily ESL’s anticheat means you can check the wirelogs, and if he had been using the anticheat, then i would have happily accepted he was a very good player. But he wasnt, so my Sherlock Holmes like brain, made a connection between, this guy being the best shooter in the world on brink, while not using any strafing, and having minimal gamesense and positioning, and the fact he wouldnt use the anticheat program required.

@redleader, dunno if your post was directed at me or not, if it was it didnt really make sense.

(GreasedScotsman) #50

@ZionDelhamorte: You serious? A few hundred hours logged and counting.

Keep in mind the high kill/headshot scenario mentioned earlier was on the PC with a mouse and keyboard where it’s very easy to adjust for the kick of revolvers due to the better control scheme. So… sorry that you can’t adjust for the Richie kick… PC players can. That said, YES, cheats exist on the PC and I’ve never claimed otherwise.

And further, (on PC, and I’d hope on console) you can get 3-5 kills a life with some ease.

Here’s a shot (from my prey’s POV) where I got enough kills in quick enough succession they all showed up on the obit list.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/retsy/screenshot/578924170913560774/?

All I’ve said is that proving a hackusation is nearly impossible with the severe lack of tools available to us as players. I’ve never denied that aimbots exist on the PC. They do. They may even exist for the consoles, but their use is thankfully limited because getting those hacks to work requires modifying the hardware of ones console, which risks it being removed from the online services forever… reducing the likelihood that someone like the OP would encounter an offender online.

(Apoc) #51

I will bet you good money you cant. My team will happily test this out if you want, we will run through a doorway and you can stand the other side with a richie. After 20 attempts i think we will leave. (no offense, just statements like that do get to me, as im talking in the context of a comp game, not standing in warmup)

(GreasedScotsman) #52

Apoc… I agree that cheats and aimbots DO exist on the PC… in fact, I’ve said so over and over again in my replies.

My point is more toward the OP, who is a console player, that his hackusations are mere suspicions, are hard to prove, and are not worthy of posting 3 separate threads about them. Later I was addressing a different example from a PS3 player who said it was uncommon for someone to kill 3-5 people in 1 life, where I responded with a screenshot showing me getting 3 kills in the span of about 3 seconds (or however long the obit list stays visible).

The platform on which Brink is played makes all the difference when having this discussion.

PC has hacks, cheats and aimbots, sadly. But we cope. We aren’t the ones posting hackusations.

Consoles have single player mods that no one should care about, and maybe, in very rare cases, they might have some form of hack that gets through the online validation stuff for a brief length of time before the offender gets banned from the Live service forever (and is therefore not someone the OP is going to meet online).

In both cases, proving the hack, no matter how obvious, isn’t really possible given the current tools we have for investigating offenses.

(rushzone.com) #53

@ghost Honest answer now, Do you think it’s to late for BRINK in terms of competition?bbbbb e.g. too problems,bugs etc

(Jimmy James) #54

[QUOTE=GreasedScotsman;359496]
In both cases, proving the hack, no matter how obvious, isn’t really possible given the current tools we have for investigating offenses.[/QUOTE]
I have a question: Why is Brink lacking these tools?

-JJ

(FireWorks) #55

Because the demo and/or 1st person spec caused crashes relativly short before release so that could not be fixed in time… and then they had a lot of other trouble to work on.

Now you know another reason why so many people ask for demo recording and first person spectating.

(Kurushi) #56

Way to take it too seriously

(h0UNd..) #57

Are there movement hacks (bit like a lag shield)? (PC)

One player I saw exhibited uncannily ‘controllable’ rubber band lag - side to side at a corner in and out of cover. I had high ping, as AUS servers were down after the patchm, but others stateside confirmed some twitchy behavior by the player. His aim was good and relatively human (hit/miss).

(Didn’t think this needed a new thread)

(Kurushi) #58

[QUOTE=h0UNd…;359743]Are there movement hacks (bit like a lag shield)? (PC)

One player I saw exhibited uncannily ‘controllable’ rubber band lag - side to side at a corner in and out of cover. I had high ping, as AUS servers were down after the patchm, but others stateside confirmed some twitchy behavior by the player. His aim was good and relatively human (hit/miss).

(Didn’t think this needed a nwe thread)[/QUOTE]

I see this but it’s impossible to say, it’s not just Brink and it could be just lag. What makes me suss though it’s nearly always good players, far more than coincidence

(h0UNd..) #59

y, that’s why I kept my mouth shut. The accused dissappeared @ end of match and didn’t come back, they also scored poorly - near bottom, so didn’t contribute much other than drawing aggro.

(its al bout security) #60

[QUOTE=SockDog;357465]You can’t run unsigned code on an unmodified xbox 360

That’s the end of the subject. There are no aimbots on xbox.

If you see a torrent offering such, guess what that .exe is going to hold? TIP: not an aimbot.

Honestly makes me sad the level of ignorance and paranoia that supersedes simply logic.

Edit: and if people are simply using cvars via save files to gain an advantage then you need to report that to SD. I have no idea why they and other devs leave the cvars open to that abuse on every fricken game they release.[/QUOTE]

im sorry to say i am really tired of your crap!

if it cant be done why is it done on almost all games i have played for the last oh what?? 10 years?

i have seen games as early as PONG modded, just further to continue maiming yourself by pointing the finger but we are now VERY posotive of the threat of people with HAX0RS and M0DS we see it alot now actually even in breenk. idk what you are trying to push here but you are so far wrong its killing me.