How Do You Like The New Lobby?

(watsyurdeal) #101

How about you let us filthy casuals play Objective and all you important coordinated groups go play Stopwatch and Competitive against each other? Then you have enough players.

Don’t play the casual mode and then complain about it not being made for coordinated teams.
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We didn’t complain about that at all, in fact, here is the brunt of the problem.

Casual players, apparently, do not want to deal with people who are actually using their mic, actively playing with people who they know are good at the game, and probably are smart enough to understand the ins and outs of various mercs, where to hold/push, etc.

Casual players instead want to play their way, which seems to be quiet, no communication, trying to kill each other and go for the objectives. All without team work, or dealing with people who are clearly outclassing them.

So…what is the real issue here? Is it people who are too Try Hard for casual play? Or is it people not trying hard enough? And they want Splash to appeal to them instead of the player base they clearly stated they are making this game for, “competitive to the core”.

It’s very obvious that even casually, this game is meant to be taken seriously. So if you’re not up to dealing with that, why are you playing Dirty Bomb? And why are people who come here looking for this sort of team focused gameplay being shunned?

Telling people to jsut go play competitive in it’s current state, or go play on Stopwatch where there is LESS players and LESS population, isn’t going to solve anything. There is no excuse not to have a party system, and there is no excuse to force people to play against each other who are clearly trying to play together, either because they’re best friends in real life, or partners as in Mercy’s case.

(MarsRover) #102

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;86466”]Even still, you’re complaining about something that is pretty stupid.

So people can coordinate better, welcome to a team based shooter.[/quote]

Yes, that is right. But my mentioning communication allowed you to make a nice straw man out of it. I’m not going to comment more on that particular subject. This is a better balancing system for Objective, not a ban for playing with friends. Stacking with friends, the thing that you want, is a minor cause and also a major victim of this change.

Maybe In the future we will have a matchmaking system that will allow premades. I would LOVE to have it, because my enjoyment in DB is proportionate to the level of teamwork. I will be jumping in joy right next to you if and when such day comes.

Remember that Objective is usually the first thing new players go into. If you want the community to grow and some of those players to stay for good, then it couldn’t stay in the shape it was before this change. Keep that in mind.

<3 for all, even though we were at each other’s throat here, this community is awesome and passionate

Now I’m gonna go back to badgering SD about less RNG in elite cases :smile:

(watsyurdeal) #103

[quote=“MarsRover;86472”]
Remember that Objective is usually the first thing new players go into. If you want the community to grow and some of those players to stay for good, then it couldn’t stay in the shape it was before this change. Keep that in mind.[/quote]

And this option is much better? Do you not realize how many people try a game out together as friends? Or how many people play a game, like it, and try to bring their friends in to play with them?

It’s everywhere, WoW is the PERFECT example, when they asked why people play that game, they said it’s because they played with their friends. Another example, Counter Strike, I hate that game, but why do I play it? Cause both Hunter and Justin, my friends, play it nightly.

Also, a quick edit

My friend Hunter is still new to PC, so Counter Strike…surprisingly, is easier for him to play (I know, I thought the same thing, WUT?). But he won’t play Dirty Bomb on his own, because of the pace of this game compared to Counter Strike, that game is like chess compared to this, which feels more like Football or something, more active than Counter Strike for sure.

He won’t play without me, which is why he’s level 7, and why I’m 32. I told him we’d have to play Stopwatch now to play together.

Him: I fucking hate stopwatch, the matches feel like they take forever

Me: But we play Counter Strike, those have 30 rounds

Him: That’s competitive mode though, I had to play Counter Strike for hours to get used to it. I barely even play Dirty Bomb, and the only way we can play together is competitive, or Stopwatch, which is the same damn thing just with less hackers.

(MarsRover) #104

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;86473”][quote=“MarsRover;86472”]
Remember that Objective is usually the first thing new players go into. If you want the community to grow and some of those players to stay for good, then it couldn’t stay in the shape it was before this change. Keep that in mind.[/quote]

And this option is much better? Do you not realize how many people try a game out together as friends? Or how many people play a game, like it, and try to bring their friends in to play with them?

It’s everywhere, WoW is the PERFECT example, when they asked why people play that game, they said it’s because they played with their friends. Another example, Counter Strike, I hate that game, but why do I play it? Cause both Hunter and Justin, my friends, play it nightly.
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I could write yet another long post that there are other game modes besides Objective, that now we finally have one casual mode that is balanced, but I feel like I’m talking to a wall here.

(DMaster2) #105

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;86466”]Even still, you’re complaining about something that is pretty stupid.

So people can coordinate better, welcome to a team based shooter.
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That’s not the problem, it’s the third time i’m saying this to you. The problem is not when a group manage to play coordinated. It happened to me too (and i don’t have a mic nor i want one to play DB). The problem arise when people stack the teams so they have more chance of winning, giving a middle finger to balance. Since people can’t play fair, the game have to step in.

(Crash) #106

Yall mothatruckas need Jesus

(watsyurdeal) #107

[quote=“cannyEdition;86516”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;86466”]Even still, you’re complaining about something that is pretty stupid.

So people can coordinate better, welcome to a team based shooter.
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That’s not the problem, it’s the third time i’m saying this to you. The problem is not when a group manage to play coordinated. It happened to me too (and i don’t have a mic nor i want one to play DB). The problem arise when people stack the teams so they have more chance of winning, giving a middle finger to balance. Since people can’t play fair, the game have to step in.[/quote]

A couple of friends playing together is not stacking a team on an 8v8 server, and you will never see someone take the time to get 8 people to play together on one team on a pub.

Hell you won’t even see 5, 3 is the most you’d see people being into a server with them. And there’s nothing wrong with that, at all. If that’s your definition of stacking then you are freaking ridiculous.

(jonesy) #108

And i’ll say whats already been said a hundred times: we don’t want to play another game mode…you’re talking about a quick match in an online FPS with games up to 8v8. How many other shooters dont allow any sort of party/buddy system? games like this which rely so heavily on teamwork should let you play with you friends. It seems that people are really upset about teams being stacked but punishing players for grouping up is gonna push them away and make this game even more of a shit show.

(Fiktio) #109

Often I miss the moment of voting because the time for it is quite short.
And what comes about the possibility for being able to join your friend, I can see objectively negative and positive sides in it. (Better explanation here.)
Though in general I played often against my friends even before, so I don’t mind if I’m unable to be in the same team with my friend that often.
Game is fun anyways, no matter am I killing my friend or am I helping my friend.

(musso) #110

@MarsRover “I could write yet another long post that there are other game modes besides Objective, that now we finally have one casual mode that is balanced, but I feel like I’m talking to a wall here.”

so you’re saying objectives are balanced now because no parties and other modes are balanced because of parties, what? should solo players never play competitive or stopwatch and only objective, because some sort of different sense of balancing?

this currently still doesn’t rule out friends being on the same team; instead of splitting groups based on whatever this secret skill level system is, why not push groups 3/4 or larger into games with at least another group counter them and plug in the solo players by the “balanced skill level” like competitive would. let groups queue for quick join games instead of having to follow your friends into a server that hopefully doesn’t fill up by the time you’ve waited for the join server ability on the friends list.

objective mode is not competitive, so at its core it should be the one most open to friends casually playing together, unless you think all friends are always equal skill level. i don’t think most groups of people want to play a micro-transaction beta with a hit-or-miss character upgrade grind and now add the inability to play casually with friends.

stopwatches are rarely close matches unlike objective and usually include a 10 minute spawn camping segment. competitive has been great for super serious times sure, but why would anyone want to play a game with friends that constantly has repercussions (-rank, less xp, increased time), id rather solo competitive because i have a better chance of getting some ultra cobalt loadout level 50 on my team than playing with my casual friends.

lets say you have a friend, just imagine for this scenario. you introduce him to dirty bomb and you say hey you wanna play together, of course you want to, but in order to play/work together or teach him the game while playing you have to play competitive or hope for a non-time wasting action packed stopwatch (rare), why would i want to do that when objective mode is right there waiting to be played completely in less than 15-20 minutes with a guarantee of action or a short game if lopsided at least.

there should still be a reason for max level 5 servers, add max level 10 servers to further help super casual solo players if you want or even in reverse and add minimum level servers.

if you think you can only get a balanced public server of ~14 people by dividing 1 group of ~3 people than i’d say you havent played objective mode much

on top of all this servers constantly cycle players so to balance it fairly on the lobby makes no sense for objective which i feel like has more coming/going of players mid game.

id be interested to see how we define balance too. most players are under level 10 so what are they balancing it on? xp contribution, k/d, w/l? doesn’t seem to factor character loadouts yet

(FilterDecay) #111

I wish I could right click on someones name and get a send friend invite from that.

(Szakalot) #112

all the relevant information is there. I couldn’t care much where its put.

(Jurmabones) #113

How is playing with 1 or 2 friends even stacking?

Like I said, noobs will look for ANY excuse for why they lose to avoid admitting they’re just bad and have to actually make a conscious effort to improve and win games.

A game that’s supposed to be “competitive to the core” and where “teamwork is key,” it’s beyond backwards and ridiculous that they’ve created a lobby system for objective, the most populated and fun game mode, that literally makes it impossible to play on the same team as even a single friend.

Seriously, how can some of you be so delusional to not realize that this is completely wrong? If all you do is play solo and never want to speak to other people, use a mic, coordinate with other players… You should lose anyways just for being a terrible, non-communicative player.

It’s impossible to manually line up on the same team with more than 1 or 2 people anyways because of how players are automatically assigned to a team with fewer players and can’t switch unless their team has more players.

You guys keep throwing around the word stack like it has any meaning or place in this conversation.

You’re just friendless noobs who want to ruin the game for everyone else rather than learn to play and talk to other people. Get a life.

(watsyurdeal) #114

Jurma may be blunt, but damn

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(Sinee) #115

@Jurmabones You’re right. Playing with 1-2 friends isn’t stacking. At all. I’m level 32 and my partner is 47, and we still lose probably more than we win… even if we carry, even if we have wicked k/d’s. It doesn’t fucking matter.

The rest of your post is brilliant and on point as always. This is just such a joke. I don’t even get it… I hope at least limited party’s will be introduced or something.

(Merci1ess) #116

@Watsyurdeal @Jurmabones

It’s blunt and direct but it’s the truth. There’s no other point in doing something like this other than, once again, please the whiners that complain about everything and nothing. That was one of the reasons why I was so pissed about the Phantom nerf. Every single nerf was a complaint and I had this feeling that this bullshit wasn’t going to end there. I was afraid for the future of this game and the way the devs were working on it. You’re asking for trouble if you’re gonna base your game development on what noobs have to say. But holy fucking shit have they surprised me with this one. I gotta admit, they’re unpredictable.

Who goes on and says… “Yeah, let’s just make it real hard for people with friends to play together so that it can be balanced for those with no friends that don’t wanna socialize at all.” and thinks that’s a good idea? Since they’re going in that direction, may as well take voice chat off. If they’re gonna support people that don’t wanna communicate and have a problem with people who do then I don’t see a point in having voice chat in the game at all. That’s probably going to be the next complaint. “It’s not fair cause the other team used voice chat and mine didn’t.”.

(Begin2013) #117

@MissMurder : Is this planned to revert lobby change today or should I uninstall the game?

(Szakalot) #118

the fact that games are a lot more balanced since the patch is going against your argument. If stacking was not an issue, we would not see such a huge difference in average game quality.

And take a chill-pill. SD ARE LISTENING - there will be reliable ways to play with friends, one step at a time, pls. In the meantime - enjoy (more) balanced casual objective.

(god1) #119

Looks cluttered, can’t even vote a map when there’s like 50 seconds on the timer and it’s less responsive in general.
I don’t know why the hell there have been so many menu/UI changes lately when there has been nothing wrong with the old ones. The new ones are just worse, either they have useless clutter all over the place or they just don’t work well.

(PurpleNurple) #120

Both sides are in this for their own self interest. You have solo players who love this change because now they don’t have to deal with players cooperating with their friends. Then you have people with friends hating this because they’re being forced to play against their friends or play solo. The only difference is solo players gain so much from being social and gathering friends while players who group up regularly are now punished for playing a game where roles actually matter as a team.

If SD wants to promote solo play remove all things from objective mode that promote team play. Relying on some random kid to throw you ammo, revive you, or cover you while you fix the EV isn’t going to be about cooperation anymore it’s gonna be about whether that random is in the right place at the right time.

Take a chill pill? Nah. There are so many great games coming out soon and many going into BETA. Some players see the changes SD are doing and are thinking it’s about time to abandon ship. Once those players leave it’ll be hard to get them back. You wanna know the only thing that will bring them back? “Hey bro wanna get on DB and do a couple rounds with me?” If you want this game to survive Overwatch, Rainbow Six Siege, Starwars Battlefront, Battleborn etc… you’re gonna have stop this BS and realize that friends are what actually bring players back to your game.