How Do You Like The New Lobby?

[DMaster2]

Levels do not determine a player’s true skill, only how long they have played for.

The matchmaker take into account how good or bad a player performed in the last matches it played, not only levels.

[MarsRover]

[quote=“SnakekillerX;86098”]I like the fact that the game only assigns teams right before the game starts. This seems like a step in the right direction, however there are still some problems with this method.

Levels do not determine a player’s true skill, only how long they have played for.[/quote]
It’s not based on levels. It is based on performance in last 10 matches. I don’t see any changes to that in the patch notes.

Edit: ninja’d

[riptide]

[quote=“Ardez;86018”]While the complaints, I suppose, are valid about merc choices before a round, I don’t feel any sympathy for them.

Playing in stopwatch you expect to play on both defense and offense, but you don’t get to change your mercs at half time. So bring what you would bring to a stopwatch game and then simply asking for a feature to have different squads for offense and defense.

[/quote]

You get to see your team’s merc choices before the game starts in stopwatch.
Objective is not stopwatch.
Apples are not oranges.

[watsyurdeal]

[quote=“cannyEdition;86095”]
I understand your point, that is why i suggested you to play stopwatch instead. What i don’t understand is why you think you shouldn’t play with your friends on comp (with good reasons) while you are suggesting at the same time that a poor casual that logged to have an evening of fun on DB should have to play competitive if he wants to find a bit of match balance (and he won’t find it there either) because you want objective to be the unbalanced mess it was before due to stacking.[/quote]

You didn’t read my post at all, did you.

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;86020”]
So I think there needs to be a clear distinction, and I think people who want balanced games on pubs, need to just simply learn how to play. A large majority of the problems I see have nothing to do with levels and everything to do with lack of knowledge on how everything works in game.[/quote]

No where, in my post, did I say you have to play competitve if you want balanced games. Only that you need to learn how to play, becuase THAT is the difference. People who wanna play alone, and wanna play their way ignoring working together with others, vs those who want to play and learn the game together.

You are putting words in my mouth and telling me to go play a mode with my friends that doesn’t even have a healthy population, just as you stated clearly here.

[quote=“cannyEdition;86064”]
Why are you so adamant on competitive? No one play there (almost), stop using it as the reference to how people should play the game. They won’t play there, and with good reasons. When people want to play they don’t go comp, they go casual objective. That is the mode that get the highest amount of players, that is the mode that need to be balanced the most so a ton of people don’t get frustrated at how unabalanced a lot of matches were.[/quote]

[quote=“cannyEdition;86095”]
Wrong. You are confusing playing with the team (aka trying to do the objective) with tryhards (that go mic etc…) that should belong more on competitive than casual. Because it’s called CASUAL for a reason, try thinking about it. A casual playing on CASUAL shouldn’t be worried about using a mic to enjoy a shooter on his free time.[/quote]

Ah so that’s the distinction, people who are Try Hards should go play on comeptive so casual pubs are more balanced.

And a a casual player shouldn’t have to use his mic, just to compete with people who are.

Do you not realize the hypocrisy here?

If you’re not going to play as a team in a team based shooter, YOU WILL be stomped on.

There is no two ways about it, and splitting up people won’t change that. What if the other team is working together, and yours isn’t? Does that have anything to do with friends wanting to play together? No, it has everything to do with people wanting to play their own way and be rewarded for doing it, even if it’s against the basic design principles of the game in question.

[quote=“cannyEdition;86095”]
I’m not the one that suggested poor casuals to go play comp if they want to find a bit of balance…
Yeah people go objective, and that is why it should be as balanced as possible. You can play with your friends, you just have to go stopwatch instead of objective. And i still have to know why you find it so bad to play stopwatch with your friends.[/quote]

I in fact did not suggest that, but you clearly think that someone should be rewarded for not giving a hoot about playing as a team and doing what they want to do. Your posts made that abundantly clear.

If they want to truly solve this problem, they need to make servers that are specifically against parties of players who want to play together, and those that allow it. But the way it is currently does not encourage people to bring in their friends, and that is going to hurt the game’s population in the long run.

[bontsa]

First things first, I think the options miss the “I appreciate some of the changes but am baffled of others” type of option. As it does affect me whenever I liked it and/or not. Tsktsk, biased poll options

To some experiences I’ve had so far though, I’ve managed to try out both casual Stopwatch and Objective in both free-for-all and minlvl10 enviroment and I must say so far decision to make one gamemode much more shuffled might prove itself to be extremely healthy decision in the long run, as long as friend-crowded players give it a small thought before succumbing to desperation.

I like playing with friends, I’ve desperately tried getting welded-together group of mine finally pick up something else than age old CS:GO evening after evening. Exactly this unity is why while we will enjoy playing in same team we also have tons of fun bashing each other’s skulls on opposite teams. It all comes down to the group’s state of mind. I think this is something that’s starting to get forgotten by many group player, finding the right attitude towards playing with friends, same team or not.

Are we players as a community getting so competing we can’t have casual goof-around without bloodthirst and attempting to use all means necessary, getting the perfect gang together in order to win? Or could we find that funhaving attitude through playing with our friends no matter the side?

Stacking will be more harmful for all parties involved if it manages to get too strong foothold, since it has the potential to drive away soloer’s and lesser skilled duos or groups, or worst start to appeal as a mandatory practice. Bigger groups can go for comp MM or pugs for more balanced stuff, or join Stopwatch. Partners can stick with Stopwatch or try out RNG and enjoy in Obj. Even with the change in Objective mode it’s not even hard to stack a duo on one side, I know many of us have that one friend or couple who we enjoy playing WITH, but against them we either destroy them or get to be in the receiving end of rektness which isn’t fun in most cases. Or it could be spouse or whoever in our life who we just don’t feel comfy in facing as opponents even in “just” videogame enviroment. But that’s where other modes can fill this need.

Let’s see for a week or 2 how Objective change plays out before uproar is what I’m getting at ^^

I see how many people wanted less waiting time and look what happens, we got it and now that is suddenly bad, heh. Could use more time in merc selection though. +1 for the quickswitching of loadouts!

[Malkovich1]

@MissMurder Absolutely hate it 110%. The old version is better in my and my friends’ opinion. The fact that you didn’t have a party system for pub was acceptable (kinda but not really) seeing how DB isn’t a finished product. But now you have actually completely stopped people playing together ON THE SAME TEAM, that, is frankly pathetic. This has put me, and I’m sure others, off DB til something is done to address this, because if SD decides to leave it as it is, you have no hope to compete with other FPS with party system that are coming up.

[MarsRover]

If they want the game to be more beginner friendly then they need to explain how to play better in the tutorial. Because lack of knowledge of what to do and where you need to be will always be a major factor, those randoms will still be screwed because they have no clue what they are doing.

Yes, tutorial needs work. But no tutorial will help a bunch of random people against an organized group.

If a group of friends play together, all the same level, and figure it out together as a team, why should that be punished?

You are not “punished” in stopwatch. Do whatever you like in that mode. I don’t want to sound arrogant but I really want to say “/thread”.

Also competitive someday hopefully will not suck. It can be as competitive as you like if the playerbase is big enough.

Edit:
@Malkovich & others
PSA: Want to play with friends? Play stopwatch.

[DMaster2]

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;86109”]

[quote=“cannyEdition;86095”]
I understand your point, that is why i suggested you to play stopwatch instead. What i don’t understand is why you think you shouldn’t play with your friends on comp (with good reasons) while you are suggesting at the same time that a poor casual that logged to have an evening of fun on DB should have to play competitive if he wants to find a bit of match balance (and he won’t find it there either) because you want objective to be the unbalanced mess it was before due to stacking.[/quote]

You didn’t read my post at all, did you.

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;86020”]
So I think there needs to be a clear distinction, and I think people who want balanced games on pubs, need to just simply learn how to play. A large majority of the problems I see have nothing to do with levels and everything to do with lack of knowledge on how everything works in game.[/quote]

No where, in my post, did I say you have to play competitve if you want balanced games. Only that you need to learn how to play, becuase THAT is the difference. People who wanna play alone, and wanna play their way ignoring working together with others, vs those who want to play and learn the game together.

You are putting words in my mouth and telling me to go play a mode with my friends that doesn’t even have a healthy population, just as you stated clearly here.

[quote=“cannyEdition;86064”]
Why are you so adamant on competitive? No one play there (almost), stop using it as the reference to how people should play the game. They won’t play there, and with good reasons. When people want to play they don’t go comp, they go casual objective. That is the mode that get the highest amount of players, that is the mode that need to be balanced the most so a ton of people don’t get frustrated at how unabalanced a lot of matches were.[/quote]

[quote=“cannyEdition;86095”]
Wrong. You are confusing playing with the team (aka trying to do the objective) with tryhards (that go mic etc…) that should belong more on competitive than casual. Because it’s called CASUAL for a reason, try thinking about it. A casual playing on CASUAL shouldn’t be worried about using a mic to enjoy a shooter on his free time.[/quote]

Ah so that’s the distinction, people who are Try Hards should go play on comeptive so casual pubs are more balanced.

And a a casual player shouldn’t have to use his mic, just to compete with people who are.

Do you not realize the hypocrisy here?

If you’re not going to play as a team in a team based shooter, YOU WILL be stomped on.

There is no two ways about it, and splitting up people won’t change that. What if the other team is working together, and yours isn’t? Does that have anything to do with friends wanting to play together? No, it has everything to do with people wanting to play their own way and be rewarded for doing it, even if it’s against the basic design principles of the game in question.

[quote=“cannyEdition;86095”]
I’m not the one that suggested poor casuals to go play comp if they want to find a bit of balance…
Yeah people go objective, and that is why it should be as balanced as possible. You can play with your friends, you just have to go stopwatch instead of objective. And i still have to know why you find it so bad to play stopwatch with your friends.[/quote]

I in fact did not suggest that, but you clearly think that someone should be rewarded for not giving a hoot about playing as a team and doing what they want to do. Your posts made that abundantly clear.

If they want to truly solve this problem, they need to make servers that are specifically against parties of players who want to play together, and those that allow it. But the way it is currently does not encourage people to bring in their friends, and that is going to hurt the game’s population in the long run.[/quote]
So let me get this straight, if a player don’t play with mic in casual it’s not trying enough? Are you serious? I think a player that risk to get killed to defuse a c4 is playing well enough for it’s team even if he can’t communicate. And no, i didn’t said that tryhards should go comp. I said that if a type of player should ever move to comp, that should be tryhards surely not the poor sob that want to play dirty bomb to help his team but not as pro as the formest. Beside the core issue is not that you and your friends use the mic or whatever, the issue is that before people stacked the teams and that lead to unabalance and spawnkilling. With this new system it’s a lot harder to do, and that’s good enough. Also i still don’t understand why stopwatch is so bad. If the devs did this kind of rebalance to also include casual stopwatch i would rejoice. Instead people talk like stopwatch don’t exist and it’s either objective or not playing at all.

[N8o]

There’s a new lobby?

[Ardez1]

There’s a new lobby?

EDIT: If being serious
@Kaneki Only for casual objective.

[watsyurdeal]

[quote=“cannyEdition;86129”]
So let me get this straight, if a player don’t play with mic in casual it’s not trying enough? Are you serious? I think a player that risk to get killed to defuse a c4 is playing well enough for it’s team even if he can’t communicate. And no, i didn’t said that tryhards should go comp. I said that if a type of player should ever move to comp, that should be tryhards surely not the poor sob that want to play dirty bomb to help his team but not as pro as the formest. Beside the core issue is not that you and your friends use the mic or whatever, the issue is that before people stacked the teams and that lead to unabalance and spawnkilling. With this new system it’s a lot harder to do, and that’s good enough. Also i still don’t understand why stopwatch is so bad. If the devs did this kind of rebalance to also include casual stopwatch i would rejoice. Instead people talk like stopwatch don’t exist and it’s either objective or not playing at all.[/quote]

Because guess what? Stopwatch has the exact same problem, the servers either don’t have anyone playing on them or fill up so fast that there’s no room, so it’s simply more convenient for people to go to Objective mode.

And yes, someone who isn’t using a mic vs one that is, if you want to play your way and not talk to anyone, fine, but don’t complain the teams are stacked when you aren’t talking to your team.

Basically, I have a problem when people say the teams are stacked, and yet the vast majority of the time they aren’t contributing or doing their part. It’s not all the time yes, but it happens way more often in my experience.

My team tends to do better when I suck it up and start using my mic instead of being silent the whole game.

[Malkovich1]

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;86087”]If they want the game to be more beginner friendly then they need to explain how to play better in the tutorial. Because lack of knowledge of what to do and where you need to be will always be a major factor, those randoms will still be screwed because they have no clue what they are doing.

Yes, tutorial needs work. But no tutorial will help a bunch of random people against an organized group.

If a group of friends play together, all the same level, and figure it out together as a team, why should that be punished?

You are not “punished” in stopwatch. Do whatever you like in that mode. I don’t want to sound arrogant but I really want to say “/thread”.

Also competitive someday hopefully will not suck. It can be as competitive as you like if the playerbase is big enough.

Edit:
@Malkovich & others
PSA: Want to play with friends? Play stopwatch.[/quote]

Oh gimme me a break, get it in that head of yours not everyone likes Stopwatch. We don’t. That is not a long term solution to the issue at hand. My post was meant for devs (OP) to know that not everyone disliked the old lobby and MM, just because the ones who did hate it did so oh so vocally on here. So save your retort, I said what I need to and won’t be replying to any more of these pointless comments.

[Ardez1]

@Malkovich You assume that the devs take these forums into account when working on changes to DB. They actually are more likely to be listening to their developer forums or possibly reddit, based on past events.

[Malkovich1]

@Malkovich You assume that the devs take these forums into account when working on changes to DB. They actually are more likely to be listening to their developer forums or possibly reddit, based on past events.

I see a thread by a CM. I reply. I don’t see the issue here.

[Ardez1]

[quote=“Ardez;86138”]@Malkovich You assume that the devs take these forums into account when working on changes to DB. They actually are more likely to be listening to their developer forums or possibly reddit, based on past events.

I see a thread by a CM. I reply. I don’t see the issue here. [/quote]

Neither do I. The publisher can influence what the developers do, but in the end the onus is on the developer to actually make the changes.

Your statement was, “My post was meant for devs (OP) to know that not everyone disliked the old lobby and MM, just because the ones who did hate it did so oh so vocally on here”

That second part assumed that the hate for the lobby system previous to the changes was what the devs listened to when making their changes. In fact they most likely based their changes on a combination of reddit and the developer forums.

[DMaster2]

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;86136”]Because guess what? Stopwatch has the exact same problem, the servers either don’t have anyone playing on them or fill up so fast that there’s no room, so it’s simply more convenient for people to go to Objective mode.

And yes, someone who isn’t using a mic vs one that is, if you want to play your way and not talk to anyone, fine, but don’t complain the teams are stacked when you aren’t talking to your team.

Basically, I have a problem when people say the teams are stacked, and yet the vast majority of the time they aren’t contributing or doing their part. It’s not all the time yes, but it happens way more often in my experience.

My team tends to do better when I suck it up and start using my mic instead of being silent the whole game.[/quote]
Stopwatch have less players but it’s playable enough, i play it everyday and don’t have problem finding servers with 2 or more spots available, often more than one server.
About the bold part, i just don’t understand the correlation between using a mic and stacking a team to stomp the opponent…
Using a mic is fine and all, in all kind of modes. Stacking teams is not fine in my book. And those don’t imply each other imho.

[MarsRover]

Oh gimme me a break, get it in that head of yours not everyone likes Stopwatch. We don’t.

Stopwatch is 2xObjective. What is it that you don’t like?

My post was meant for devs (OP) to know that not everyone disliked the old lobby and MM, just because the ones who did hate it did so oh so vocally on here. So save your retort, I said what I need to and won’t be replying to any more of these pointless comments.

This thread is a discussion, not a majority vote.

And for the record: I thought the poll was about the UI design and timer changes, silly me. I’m squarely in the “Love it” camp.

[N8o]

Oh my gosh! I was unaware that the fine tuning patch came out!

Cool! Maybe people will stop bitching at me about stacking teams now.

[Begin2013]

Solo queuers finally got one single mode that puts team balance in the first place. Groups still have other modes.

No, “solo” players have 2 modes : Objective and Competitive. Competitive use “rank” for balance, that is supposed to be the most balanced game mode !

Seriously, they ruined the Objective mode. That’s a teamplay game, then that’s normal to be able to play with friends! As Team Fortress 2 and others. This isn’t a team deathmach game, play another game for that.

[SereneFlight1]

I clicked ‘change’ at first and it popped up the loadout card selection, clicked ‘back’ and it went away so I figured it would be for changing the loadout cards.
Clicked one of the mercs top of the ‘change’ button and it popped up the loadout card selection again… yay… Clicked ‘back’ and now I could change my mercs.
… … can’t really bother change anything during pre-game lobby since the game throws me into in-game lobby after loading the map anyways.